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May 06, 2018, 05:14:45 AM
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There was evidence for Roger Ver deliberately misleading people on his website "bitcoin.com".



Image link: https://i.imgur.com/Q639aTC.jpg

Source: https://twitter.com/Ragnarly/status/988535641070751744

There is data which might support a lawsuit, also things like this: https://twitter.com/moneytrigz/status/989263151622426624

From using bitpay which compares bitcoin transaction fees to bitcoin cash fees everytime a payment is made, it seems there is a coordinated and massive effort to convince people to embrace bitcoin cash over bitcoin core. I'm surprised this is a topic which isn't discussed more often as the bias in favor of bch appears to be very strong.

Also don't forget the numerous sock puppet accounts posting bitcoin cash propaganda on this forum. Other coins would also appear to have advertising bots.

horrible roger ver trying to make new players confused and trying very hard to try to replace bitcoin with fake bitcoin hopefully it will not take a toll. should roger ver get a criminal for having changed the name of bitcoin (BTC) without thinking.
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May 06, 2018, 05:57:14 AM
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Newbies might also send their Bitcoin Cash to Bitcoin CORE addresses, losing their coins altogether before they can trade them. This really is Roger Ver being a scheming individual that he is, and trying to scam his way to what he wants regardless of the cost.

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again, you still seem to think that bitcoin core network is bitcoin

But you seem to think that Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin, which is not. It forked away from the main chain when it changed the consensus rules creating an altcoin.

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using the analogy
europeans buying au dollars might send their AU dollars to a dollar account, losing their funds altogether
.. see how it dosnt make conversational sense

But guess what, the rest of the world outside Bitcoin Cash's community recognizes what you call "Bitcoin Core" as Bitcoin.

Do you really expect someone to buy BCH would think that he is holding BTC?

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you need to make it conversationally clear when talking about cross border currencies
europeans buying au dollars might send their AU dollars to a U.S dollar account, losing their funds altogether
FTFY

Yes, when I say "Bitcoin", I mean the network you call "Bitcoin Core". I will keep calling it Bitcoin, deal with it. But you can call it whatever you want.

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as said in many propaganda topics trying to make it seem core deserve to own "bitcoin".. people need to be clear that "bitcoin" is not owned by one team. if anyone continues to promote one team own "bitcoin" then they are just trying to centralise "bitcoin"

I did not say anything about owning. It is what we call it. It is not our fault when you call Bitcoin Cash as Bitcoin hilarity ensues.

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if you really cared about bitcoin decentralisation. you and the other propagandists would.. if you really cared you would be also trying to attack bitcoin.org for trying to claim core own "bitcoin".

I am a propagandist? I am explaining my own point of view. Sorry if we cannot agree in some things, but we need to co-exist. You can have your big blocks no problem.

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but its funny that i have yet to see anyone attack theymos for promoting core as just "bitcoin" and its funny they dont attack Jgarzic(bloq) for making bitcoin cash.


Attack is a strong word, let's use discourse. In the end of all this we will learn to live together.

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May 06, 2018, 06:54:52 AM
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This has been talked about on this forum. Roger Ver has been (supposedly) misleading newbies, making them believe that bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin:

Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin.  Allah is the real God; Jesus is a phony.  To adherents on both sides, the other side is just fucking outrageous and needs to die.  

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May 06, 2018, 07:04:26 AM
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I do believe that Roger Ver made Bitcoin cash to line up his pocket and the pockets of many many other business cartels. I remember when a big pump happened on a Korean exchange and it really led to a lot of FUD regarding Bitcoin and he was the head of that FUD. They really played a dirty game against bitcoin and although I do not have anything against other altcoins, on the contrary I collect and trade them, I do not like the underhanded way Roger Ver tried to go against Bitcoin for his own greed and for some other greedy business people to make bank.  Angry

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May 06, 2018, 09:56:15 AM
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even funnier part is because i dont like cores centralisation you think the opposers to centralisation should be pigeon holed into another team..
that there is the mindset of someone who deep down thinks centralisation is the only way things function.
'if your not team X you must be team Y'

you have become so indocrinated that your even using their words "big blockers", like you have been handed a script.

you are still stuck in the 2 sided battle mindset that you cant see the big picture

i explained it many times..
bloq who made cash is paid by the same investors as blockstream who make core



its a massive kardashian drama distraction to cause people who hate core(kim fanclub) to be pushed into one of the other sisters fanclub.. simply to get core(kims) fans to not see the opposers, allowing core(kim) to do what she likes, while trying to get the opposers indocrinated into being deceived back into centralisation by making them favour another of the same family(DCG) member

its like sheep herding. where the farmer(dcg) has a field. he sends his sheep dogs(blockstream/bloq) to scare some sheep into a neighbouring field. the sheep think they are freeing themselves by running through the open gate into another field. but they dont realise the farmer owns that field too

just look at the mirror
adam back | craig wright (both scamming to say they invented "bitcoin")
gmaxwell | Jgarzic (both saying they made the main nodes of the network)
theymos | ver (both saying they own and moderate the main information portals)

people who beleive in real decentralisation should be saying
NO TEAM owns "bitcoin". the bilateral split seen to that
both sides can use "bitcoin" but must clarify if its the bilateral fork made by cores rules or by cash's rules
bitcoin.org also needs to be less biased about core if you think that bitcoin.com needs to be less biased about cash.

if you disagree then you really are stuck in the core monarchy defense camp
it makes it real obvious that most already want core centralisation. because they refuse to pretend decentralisation exists, because if they wer decentralists they would attack jgarzic
jgarzic has not been attacked FOR MAKING cash. because the core fanboys know he is one of their own monarchs

i tried to keep the whole british manarchy/commonwealth/empire comparison short by only using the modern analogy of "dollar" just to keep it ELI-5 but it seems too many are too stuck in a centralist mindset to see it.
so to americans. who think they all speak english, just like canada and australia. you can pretend you speak english and that english is your language you own. but its not. you speak american. its pot8o not pot@o.

so to australians. who think they all speak english, just like canada and america. you can pretend you speak english and that english is your language you own. but its not. you speak australiann. its good day not ga'day.

you must clarify that you are american when dealing in international communications and clarify that your currency is american dollar as oppose to australian dollar.and that you can use the term "dollar" but do not own "dollar" brand.  

but im guessing most will just continue reading the scripts of reddit(cores church/bible) and preach the word of core religion
so just if you cannot get out of the religion. atleast be honest and preach
"decentralisation is dead, long live distribution"

have a nice enclosed life and enjoy fiat2.0 of banker managed hubs, if your not gonna bother seeing the big picture to fight for real decentralisation

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May 06, 2018, 11:44:03 AM
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This has been talked about on this forum. Roger Ver has been (supposedly) misleading newbies, making them believe that bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin:

Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin.  Allah is the real God; Jesus is a phony.  To adherents on both sides, the other side is just fucking outrageous and needs to die.  
Thank you for your meaningful contribution again. You still do not see that Ver only wants your money, don't you? He definitely helped Bitcoin to become a 'thing' but now he seems to want money for it in exchange, even if it's harming Bitcoin.
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May 06, 2018, 11:49:43 AM
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There was evidence for Roger Ver deliberately misleading people on his website "bitcoin.com".



Image link: https://i.imgur.com/Q639aTC.jpg

Source: https://twitter.com/Ragnarly/status/988535641070751744

There is data which might support a lawsuit, also things like this: https://twitter.com/moneytrigz/status/989263151622426624

From using bitpay which compares bitcoin transaction fees to bitcoin cash fees everytime a payment is made, it seems there is a coordinated and massive effort to convince people to embrace bitcoin cash over bitcoin core. I'm surprised this is a topic which isn't discussed more often as the bias in favor of bch appears to be very strong.

Also don't forget the numerous sock puppet accounts posting bitcoin cash propaganda on this forum. Other coins would also appear to have advertising bots.

horrible roger ver trying to make new players confused and trying very hard to try to replace bitcoin with fake bitcoin hopefully it will not take a toll. should roger ver get a criminal for having changed the name of bitcoin (BTC) without thinking.

The proposed lawsuit against Ver has stopped because of lack of funding. It would have been interesting to see what the outcome would have been in a court of law.

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May 06, 2018, 11:57:45 AM
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There was evidence for Roger Ver deliberately misleading people on his website "bitcoin.com".



Image link: https://i.imgur.com/Q639aTC.jpg

Source: https://twitter.com/Ragnarly/status/988535641070751744

There is data which might support a lawsuit, also things like this: https://twitter.com/moneytrigz/status/989263151622426624

From using bitpay which compares bitcoin transaction fees to bitcoin cash fees everytime a payment is made, it seems there is a coordinated and massive effort to convince people to embrace bitcoin cash over bitcoin core. I'm surprised this is a topic which isn't discussed more often as the bias in favor of bch appears to be very strong.

Also don't forget the numerous sock puppet accounts posting bitcoin cash propaganda on this forum. Other coins would also appear to have advertising bots.

horrible roger ver trying to make new players confused and trying very hard to try to replace bitcoin with fake bitcoin hopefully it will not take a toll. should roger ver get a criminal for having changed the name of bitcoin (BTC) without thinking.

The proposed lawsuit against Ver has stopped because of lack of funding. It would have been interesting to see what the outcome would have been in a court of law.
then fund it.

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May 06, 2018, 12:05:57 PM
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This has been talked about on this forum. Roger Ver has been (supposedly) misleading newbies, making them believe that bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin:

Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin.  Allah is the real God; Jesus is a phony.  To adherents on both sides, the other side is just fucking outrageous and needs to die.  
Thank you for your meaningful contribution again. You still do not see that Ver only wants your money, don't you? He definitely helped Bitcoin to become a 'thing' but now he seems to want money for it in exchange, even if it's harming Bitcoin.

not exactly ver wants not money he wants the peoples "time"

which is the currency that "time" and "work"  is currently sacrificed for the most like "us dollar"

but how is bitcoin or any other ico different here?

and others

we have all money but ver wants special types of money

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May 06, 2018, 12:09:21 PM
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This has been talked about on this forum. Roger Ver has been (supposedly) misleading newbies, making them believe that bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin:

Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin.  Allah is the real God; Jesus is a phony.  To adherents on both sides, the other side is just fucking outrageous and needs to die.  
Thank you for your meaningful contribution again. You still do not see that Ver only wants your money, don't you? He definitely helped Bitcoin to become a 'thing' but now he seems to want money for it in exchange, even if it's harming Bitcoin.

According to many people Ver is still trying to destroy Bitcoin. According to many people Ver tried but failed to destroy Bitcoin so now he is trying to make as much money and cause as much disruption as possible.

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May 07, 2018, 05:34:34 AM
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even funnier part is because i dont like cores centralisation you think the opposers to centralisation should be pigeon holed into another team..
that there is the mindset of someone who deep down thinks centralisation is the only way things function.
'if your not team X you must be team Y'

you have become so indocrinated that your even using their words "big blockers", like you have been handed a script.

you are still stuck in the 2 sided battle mindset that you cant see the big picture

What centralization? Core is only one implementation of Bitcoin. You can choose to run a different node if you want, https://coin.dance/nodes

You cannot blame it on the developers if the community wants to run the Bitcoin Core software.

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i explained it many times..
bloq who made cash is paid by the same investors as blockstream who make core

That is another topic I do not know about and good for another thread. We are here to talk about Roger Ver manipulating newbies into believing that BCH = BTC.

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its a massive kardashian drama distraction to cause people who hate core(kim fanclub) to be pushed into one of the other sisters fanclub.. simply to get core(kims) fans to not see the opposers, allowing core(kim) to do what she likes, while trying to get the opposers indocrinated into being deceived back into centralisation by making them favour another of the same family(DCG) member

That is what the Roger Ver fan club is saying and spreading. It is unproven and unsubstantiated.

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its like sheep herding. where the farmer(dcg) has a field. he sends his sheep dogs(blockstream/bloq) to scare some sheep into a neighbouring field. the sheep think they are freeing themselves by running through the open gate into another field. but they dont realise the farmer owns that field too

I do not know why you are including that in the discussion. We are talking about Roger Ver's fraudulent behavior by making people think BCH = BTC.

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just look at the mirror
adam back | craig wright (both scamming to say they invented "bitcoin")

Adam Back never claimed that he was Satoshi Nakamoto. Craig Wright did. That makes Craig Wright a scammer.

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gmaxwell | Jgarzic (both saying they made the main nodes of the network)

Gregory Maxwell did not try to work with Jihan Wu, Barry Silbert and the NYA to hard fork to S2X. The "scaling debate" was a red herring. It was a political move to take over development and save Bitmain's covert AsicBoost capabilities in their miners.

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theymos | ver (both saying they own and moderate the main information portals)

But Roger Ver's portal is confusing the public that BCH = BTC.

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people who beleive in real decentralisation should be saying
NO TEAM owns "bitcoin". the bilateral split seen to that
both sides can use "bitcoin" but must clarify if its the bilateral fork made by cores rules or by cash's rules
bitcoin.org also needs to be less biased about core if you think that bitcoin.com needs to be less biased about cash.

I believe you can use the term "Bitcoin Cash" for as long as you like. Did you see me call it "Bcash"? I never used it once. I want to be diplomatic when I talk about it.

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if you disagree then you really are stuck in the core monarchy defense camp
it makes it real obvious that most already want core centralisation. because they refuse to pretend decentralisation exists, because if they wer decentralists they would attack jgarzic
jgarzic has not been attacked FOR MAKING cash. because the core fanboys know he is one of their own monarchs

Do not attack me and my character. Let us stick to the debate.

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i tried to keep the whole british manarchy/commonwealth/empire comparison short by only using the modern analogy of "dollar" just to keep it ELI-5 but it seems too many are too stuck in a centralist mindset to see it.
so to americans. who think they all speak english, just like canada and australia. you can pretend you speak english and that english is your language you own. but its not. you speak american. its pot8o not pot@o.

so to australians. who think they all speak english, just like canada and america. you can pretend you speak english and that english is your language you own. but its not. you speak australiann. its good day not ga'day.

you must clarify that you are american when dealing in international communications and clarify that your currency is american dollar as oppose to australian dollar.and that you can use the term "dollar" but do not own "dollar" brand.  

but im guessing most will just continue reading the scripts of reddit(cores church/bible) and preach the word of core religion
so just if you cannot get out of the religion. atleast be honest and preach
"decentralisation is dead, long live distribution"

have a nice enclosed life and enjoy fiat2.0 of banker managed hubs, if your not gonna bother seeing the big picture to fight for real decentralisation

That is not the problem. Roger Ver's fraudulent acts are. He keeps saying Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin but it is not, because when the community say and think of Bitcoin they are referring to what you call "Bitcoin Core".

Bitcoin is Bitcoin Core. Sorry but that's how everyone sees it. Except the deniers in the Bitcoin Cash community. But calling Bitcoin as "Bitcoin Core" is a mistake because it is really only one implementation of the real Bitcoin.

Plus good luck to you franky1. I enjoy our discussions.


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May 07, 2018, 10:27:40 AM
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I do believe that Roger Ver made Bitcoin cash to line up his pocket and the pockets of many many other business cartels. I remember when a big pump happened on a Korean exchange and it really led to a lot of FUD regarding Bitcoin and he was the head of that FUD. They really played a dirty game against bitcoin and although I do not have anything against other altcoins, on the contrary I collect and trade them, I do not like the underhanded way Roger Ver tried to go against Bitcoin for his own greed and for some other greedy business people to make bank.  Angry

Your views are shared by many people. Many people consider Bitcoin Cash as nothing more than a dirty game against Bitcoin which will not last the course. Ver lost whatever respect he had within the crypto-community with his anti-Bitcoin stance which by default was going to line his pockets even more than they already were.

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May 07, 2018, 10:31:34 AM
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we should not fight with each over. The enemy only glad about this.  And also they ruin the independent/decentralized idea.  The community should decide what yo choose and what not.
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we should not fight with each over. The enemy only glad about this.  And also they ruin the independent/decentralized idea.  The community should decide what yo choose and what not.

A handful of whales decided to create Bitcoin Cash because of what many see as reasons of greed and jealousy against their failure to control Bitcoin.

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May 07, 2018, 11:26:53 AM
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It seems to me that no one will prove anything. those people who are going to invest in bitcoin or even crypto currencies should carefully study everything and understand everything even a little, and not listen to some pseudo-experts.


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May 07, 2018, 11:32:14 AM
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If he wont go to jail, he might become a billionaire reality TV star like Donald Trump or Mark Cuban. Millions of people who have no idea about technicalities will be charmed by the charisma of Roger Ver
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May 07, 2018, 11:33:47 AM
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No one knows but at the same time, everyone decides. Everything will depend on us.
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If he wont go to jail, he might become a billionaire reality TV star like Donald Trump or Mark Cuban. Millions of people who have no idea about technicalities will be charmed by the charisma of Roger Ver

Ver has "zero" charisma

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May 07, 2018, 11:48:27 AM
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If he wont go to jail, he might become a billionaire reality TV star like Donald Trump or Mark Cuban. Millions of people who have no idea about technicalities will be charmed by the charisma of Roger Ver

Ver has "zero" charisma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCOjCEth6xI



He's such a loser.
Really hope they can hurt him in court.
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May 07, 2018, 12:02:56 PM
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He's such a loser.

A loser from which its own coin solely thrives on his cartel's wealth input.

If that capital wasn't there, and the coin would be a what-an-investor-wants-to-pay-for-it coin, it would end up like BTG. I'm glad that Roger is doing this, because every silly action he comes up with, is yet again a sign that he has malicious intent, and isn't capable of running a decentralized incentive. BCash is RogerCash. In other words, investors know that what Roger wants to happen with his silly coin, that happens.

People quite often blame Bitcoin for being slow with everything and its endless debates, but they don't understand that these endless debates are a sign that one party can't entirely force its own will on Bitcoin. With BCash you operate at mercy of Roger's mood shifts, no one wants that.

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