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October 27, 2011, 09:20:24 PM
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No, I will not excuse him for continually putting all our personal data at risk.

Beyond that, having a life and waiting since at least August is not acceptable.  

Beyond even THAT, asking for forum software with the requirements he is laying out is virtually impossible in any reasonable time frame.  Allowing the forum to continue in it's current unacceptable state until this mythical software is written is also unacceptable.

So no, I will not excuse him for "having a life."  I (and many others) warned him about SMF before we had a data breach, yet he did nothing.  During the data breach, he failed to handle it in any reasonable manner.  After the data breach, he has failed to produce any meaningful changes. On every single count, he's failed to do even the minimum necessary to handle the problems with this forum.  Life or not, he's failed.

If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it.  There was never anything there in the first place.
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October 27, 2011, 09:46:31 PM
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If you find more security problems with SMF, tell me and I'll fix it. SMF's security record doesn't seem any worse than other popular software, so I don't believe it's worth the trouble to switch if I can't get at least most of my wishlist implemented.

Wish I could disagree with you on that one but I've been pretty verbal of the neglect here as well.

Few of the "facts" in these videos are accurate.

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October 28, 2011, 02:43:58 AM
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If you find more security problems with SMF, tell me and I'll fix it. SMF's security record doesn't seem any worse than other popular software, so I don't believe it's worth the trouble to switch if I can't get at least most of my wishlist implemented.

Wish I could disagree with you on that one but I've been pretty verbal of the neglect here as well.

Few of the "facts" in these videos are accurate.

Here's the problem though... the forum software you want doesn't exist, it will have to be written from scratch or modified extensively from other software.  Great, that's a fine plan, but that plan takes a lot of time.  On top of the time, introducing either new software or so extensively modified software is going to have lots and lots of bugs.  Lots of security issues - it won't have been vetted through millions of users and billions of posts like off the shelf software.

Additionally, if that software ever saw the light of day, which is a dubious proposition at this point, the maintenance on it is going to be horrendous.  Who's going to maintain it when security or bug fixes are required?  Who's going to add new features?  There's a reason vBulletin et al has a whole TEAM of developers working on the software and not just one or two guys in a back room handling problems.

These two issues alone should be enough to send you screaming from the room, but regardless... until this software is created, switching to a more robust, updated software is not unreasonable.  Yes, it's a pain in the ass, but you can find a lot of what you're looking for in vBulletin + plugins.  In fact, I would say vBulletin + custom plugins to add the functionality you want is the way to go. That way you don't have to maintain the core forum software and can strictly maintain the plugins.  You can pay someone to develop these plugins as well.  The plugin system for vBulletin is pretty much in a class by itself in so far as robustness and number of plugins available. 

Switching to stock vBulletin now and then developing the Plugins as time permits is a far, far better solution than waiting for an undetermined amount of time for a whole set of software from scratch or the heavy modifications required from existing software.  It allows stepwise upgrades and refinement, which is invariably a better development cycle than a monolithic change like you are suggesting. 

If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it.  There was never anything there in the first place.
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October 28, 2011, 06:35:59 AM
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If you find more security problems with SMF, tell me and I'll fix it. SMF's security record doesn't seem any worse than other popular software, so I don't believe it's worth the trouble to switch if I can't get at least most of my wishlist implemented.

Wish I could disagree with you on that one but I've been pretty verbal of the neglect here as well.

Few of the "facts" in these videos are accurate.

Here's the problem though... the forum software you want doesn't exist, it will have to be written from scratch or modified extensively from other software.  Great, that's a fine plan, but that plan takes a lot of time.  On top of the time, introducing either new software or so extensively modified software is going to have lots and lots of bugs.  Lots of security issues - it won't have been vetted through millions of users and billions of posts like off the shelf software.

Additionally, if that software ever saw the light of day, which is a dubious proposition at this point, the maintenance on it is going to be horrendous.  Who's going to maintain it when security or bug fixes are required?  Who's going to add new features?  There's a reason vBulletin et al has a whole TEAM of developers working on the software and not just one or two guys in a back room handling problems.

These two issues alone should be enough to send you screaming from the room, but regardless... until this software is created, switching to a more robust, updated software is not unreasonable.  Yes, it's a pain in the ass, but you can find a lot of what you're looking for in vBulletin + plugins.  In fact, I would say vBulletin + custom plugins to add the functionality you want is the way to go. That way you don't have to maintain the core forum software and can strictly maintain the plugins.  You can pay someone to develop these plugins as well.  The plugin system for vBulletin is pretty much in a class by itself in so far as robustness and number of plugins available.  

Switching to stock vBulletin now and then developing the Plugins as time permits is a far, far better solution than waiting for an undetermined amount of time for a whole set of software from scratch or the heavy modifications required from existing software.  It allows stepwise upgrades and refinement, which is invariably a better development cycle than a monolithic change like you are suggesting.  

vbilletin is about the best out there.

you ask anywhere about features, stability and security and vb tops every list.

I think theymos just doesnt want to pay for it.


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November 01, 2011, 01:34:05 AM
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Why has no one mentioned the best forum software available?

Is it because it is not free?  You get what you pay for...

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