Orion Miner - New Manufacturer - Up to 20 TH/s - SCAM!?

[QuintLeo]

"7nm" as currently announced isn't going to be a noteable improvement over "10nm" as currently announced.

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/6895-standard-node-trend.html


Intel and IBM appear to still be standing by their statements that "10nm is the end of the road for pure silicon", though IBM has been working with a mixed Silicon/Germanium wafer setup on their next-gen node work I don't see that buying more than 1 or 2 generations of improvement.

[philipma1957]

"7nm" as currently announced isn't going to be a noteable improvement over "10nm" as currently announced.

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/6895-standard-node-trend.html


Intel and IBM appear to still be standing by their statements that "10nm is the end of the road for pure silicon", though IBM has been working with a mixed Silicon/Germanium wafer setup on their next-gen node work I don't see that buying more than 1 or 2 generations of improvement.

Frankly  10nm for 3-5 years with a move to 7nm  in the 4th year would be better for the crypto industry.

It would force emphasis to products that work well and last backed up by decent service.

   I have been contacted by Orion Miner reps  via email.
 I have no new info other then they plan to have some phone conversations with me . As always I try to be as transparent as I can.  I am hoping this gear is legit and I can get a sample to review.

I will post back later tonight or on Monday.

[HagssFIN]

I have been contacted by Orion Miner reps  via email.
I have no new info other then they plan to have some phone conversations with me .
As always I try to be as transparent as I can. I am hoping this gear is legit and I can get a sample to review.

Yeah, Kevin from Orion Miner contacted me as well and said that they want to have a phone conversation with me.
I sent him my email and Skype username.

[philipma1957]

I have been contacted by Orion Miner reps  via email.
I have no new info other then they plan to have some phone conversations with me .
As always I try to be as transparent as I can. I am hoping this gear is legit and I can get a sample to review.

Yeah, Kevin from Orion Miner contacted me as well and said that they want to have a phone conversation with me.
I sent him my email and Skype username.

I had a 20 minute phone conversation.  I will write thoughts on it in the morning.

[QuintLeo]

They also contacted me by mail, but no phone yet (I was kinda busy today though and might have missed a call).

Phil would probably be best from their point of view as a "near local".

[Sandal_Hat]

Are u guys real and serious? It makes no sense to spend money into manufacturing a miner now for the usual algos that already have asic. Why not make an asic for a new algo that has no asic yet?  In any case, if this turns out to be real which I currently doubt, it would be great if u give one for quick demo to the respective individuals quickly. Less headache

[philipma1957]

Are u guys real and serious? It makes no sense to spend money into manufacturing a miner now for the usual algos that already have asic. Why not make an asic for a new algo that has no asic yet?  In any case, if this turns out to be real which I currently doubt, it would be great if u give one for quick demo to the respective individuals quickly. Less headache

Actually you are completely correct or totally wrong.

Downturn makes them attractive.

But I talked and I don't have the coin needed  to get in.

And what is tough about putting in money is they have a long lead time.

More then 60 days before first set of chips are ready.

They think they can make  a better product then the Dragonmint.

If I had a pocketful of cash I would take a shot as I would look to get in as a partner not a buyer.

That is why a downturn is good for a large investor that wants to be involved I would think he or they could get a good position with them.

Bring 5 million to bitmain you get nothing but a pile of gear
Bring 5 million to avalon same thing  some gear and maybe better service.
Bring 5 million to a startup like these guys maybe you get a say.
This is not for many people I know.  

NJ solar rules are good you could create a solar array of 40 acres for 20 million it is a 30 year asset . this would give you
40 x 35 = 1400 kwatt 24/7/365

you could buy 1000 of these and cut a good deal since they are a startup. net money in = 22,000,000  and you would earn

276,000 a month.  100 months you would be paid off.  what you are really doing is getting a 20 million dollar solar array for free in 10 years.  At that time it would still have 15-20 years of use left to it.

While buysolar and I could build the field and the farm  we are not that rich to have the cash to do it.

But even with the shit price /diff ratio today it is still viable.

If you came to me and buysolar today with serious cash I would consider using this company as the gear supplier

but note 20 of the 22 million is the solar array only 2 million is the mining gear.

I feel is approached by a big money player I would really sit down to talk with this company and Avalon would be my other choice.   The attraction to this company would only be if I could get a foot into it as a member of the team.

If not hands down I would deal with Avalon.  But this is most likely not going to happen as I am not aware of a player looking to put in $$

[QuintLeo]

Are u guys real and serious? It makes no sense to spend money into manufacturing a miner now for the usual algos that already have asic. Why not make an asic for a new algo that has no asic yet?  In any case, if this turns out to be real which I currently doubt, it would be great if u give one for quick demo to the respective individuals quickly. Less headache

There is a much bigger market for SHA256 miners than for anything else - far more likely to be able to pay off the HUGE design/engineering/chip costs than for any other algorithm, even if you only manage to get 5-10% of the market.
Most algorithms can't support the sale of enough miners to be able to pay off the $MILLIONS of up-front costs - note that quite a few of the recent "small algorithm" miners have been 28nm to keep the cost down.

[HagssFIN]

We had a good chat with Kevin via Skype.

Long story short,
He said that they will go more public about their plans and other information when things go forward.

Their first miner ORION 1 will be based on the 12nm technology and the planned launch date is in October 2018.

I mentioned that they will be good at gathering trust if they do it better than Halong Mining did when they started the company.

So at the moment I'm very optimistic about this and I have a wait and see attitude on this.

I hope that there will also be a possibility for a thorough review to create more trust towards this piece of equipment.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Gotta say that them being more open ^^ about node size and dates is a breath of fresh air vs the stench that comes from Halongitosis. Given size and dates 20TH should be entirely doable. I also take it that 20TH/s is true raw SHA processing speed we will see on non-AB tweaked pools, right?

Also have to add that facts be facts - I hope it does NOT support non-defeatable ASICBOOST. If it can be switched on/off like Bitmain's version of it seems to have been without harming 'straight' the SHA256 hash rates then fine.

[ricknamer]

Website just updated to show 18 TH/s and 22.5 TH/s per unit.

Over night.   

[shellyfinest]

Noticed in Jimmy Song's recent article that he links to Orion Miner when talking about startups set to compete with Bitmain ... almost to the end of the article :

...First, there is a lot of competition coming. There are no less than 4 startups that I know of that are entering the mining space attempting to dethrone Bitmain. There are also larger companies like Samsung, Intel and Nvidia that are looking into getting into this very lucrative industry....

https://medium.com/@jimmysong/mining-centralization-scenarios-b74102adbd36

Not sure if he's vetted them or what, but interesting he links to Orion and Halong as valid up an comers to compete for market share soon ....

[QuintLeo]

Noticed in Jimmy Song's recent article that he links to Orion Miner when talking about startups set to compete with Bitmain ... almost to the end of the article :

...First, there is a lot of competition coming. There are no less than 4 startups that I know of that are entering the mining space attempting to dethrone Bitmain. There are also larger companies like Samsung, Intel and Nvidia that are looking into getting into this very lucrative industry....

https://medium.com/@jimmysong/mining-centralization-scenarios-b74102adbd36

Not sure if he's vetted them or what, but interesting he links to Orion and Halong as valid up an comers to compete for market share soon ....

Interesting that he claims 4 but only provides links to 3 (there's a link to someone called "oasis mining" in there as well).

I also don't buy the "larger companies" claims - Samsung has no reports of being interested in making miners, all of the reports to date appear to be about their CONTRACT FOUNDRY work to make chips for EBang, Nvidia has not shown any interest in getting into cryptocurrency at all and has stated multiple times they don't like their GPUs being used for mining, Intel has had a few vague reports of some sort of interest but ZERO confirmed interest.

Sounds like yet another "I want to sound important by repeating vague claims I've not bothered actually checking into" type "journalist".

[frodocooper]

Sounds like yet another "I want to sound important by repeating vague claims I've not bothered actually checking into" type "journalist".

This "journalist" also happens to be a Bitcoin Core contributor, the founder of Programming Blockchain, and a venture partner at Blockchain Capital.

[Par Avion]

Noticed in Jimmy Song's recent article that he links to Orion Miner when talking about startups set to compete with Bitmain ... almost to the end of the article :

...First, there is a lot of competition coming. There are no less than 4 startups that I know of that are entering the mining space attempting to dethrone Bitmain. There are also larger companies like Samsung, Intel and Nvidia that are looking into getting into this very lucrative industry....

https://medium.com/@jimmysong/mining-centralization-scenarios-b74102adbd36

Not sure if he's vetted them or what, but interesting he links to Orion and Halong as valid up an comers to compete for market share soon ....

Interesting that he claims 4 but only provides links to 3 (there's a link to someone called "oasis mining" in there as well).

I also don't buy the "larger companies" claims - Samsung has no reports of being interested in making miners, all of the reports to date appear to be about their CONTRACT FOUNDRY work to make chips for EBang, Nvidia has not shown any interest in getting into cryptocurrency at all and has stated multiple times they don't like their GPUs being used for mining, Intel has had a few vague reports of some sort of interest but ZERO confirmed interest.

Sounds like yet another "I want to sound important by repeating vague claims I've not bothered actually checking into" type "journalist".

Jimmy happens to be pretty well respected and know wtf he's talking about. I trust what he says.

[shellyfinest]

In fact, they were at a MeetUp here in Montreal weeks ago, here's the video

https://youtu.be/2DGwYJotnIs (@ 34 minutes.) to give you an idea about the miner.

Don't know what to think about it, but i find it a bit hard with a MOQ @ 100 units

Thanks for sharing that video, great stuff, interesting that Orion says they are focused on production, but aren't operating a mining operation themselves (to avoid a conflict of interest)