NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[CIYAM]

Hey ciyam, you see what happens when you push an idea / prototype? Discussion. Which results in new ideas. Good!

There is already a great invention for trust called GPG - maybe if we can help make *that* more user friendly we could integrate its usage *with* the Nxt platform.

I think the idea of "personal" aliases (unique attributes belonging to a user) could be helpful for that (one of those could be GPG fingerprint).

[wesleyh]

Hey ciyam, you see what happens when you push an idea / prototype? Discussion. Which results in new ideas. Good!

There is already a great invention for trust called GPG - maybe if we can help make *that* more user friendly we could integrate its usage *with* the Nxt platform.

I think the idea of "personal" aliases (unique attributes belonging to a user) could be helpful for that (one of those could be GPG fingerprint).

I like idea of non-squattable alias: @234343343 (@ + your account id). Only account can register this special alias.

[Eadeqa]

Yes, but this should be done server side not client side. The user would be required to add an account ID to a field called "Trusted".  He will be able to buy assets only from the issuers that he himself added to that field. It will be a field (like alias) where the user can add all the IDs he trusts (transactions fees apply per trust).

The client then display only assets that the user added to his trust field.

There is no third party (service provider)  involved here.

Yes - that is exactly along the lines of what I had in mind.

Also, the user should be able to delete an account from that list (again transaction fees apply pre addition and removal).

I like this idea. What happens with new accounts tho, they don't have anyone in their list. Do you show all assets or none? If none, how are they supposed to find the id's to add?

They go to coinbase website and find their ID. They go to bitstamp website and find their ID. The asset issuer will  advertise on their webpages, forums, social network. Your client will tell them that they need to add trusted issuer before assets are displayed.  

The point would be to cut down scammers completely from the picture

The user adds  asset issuer to the trust list (some research) and he is responsible.

The asset issuer does the advertisement on the internet (websites, forums, social network etc).

[CIYAM]

I like idea of non-squattable alias: @234343343 (@ + your account id). Only account can register this special alias.

I propose we *extend* that to something like:

@234343343.email
@234343343.website
@234343343.gpg_fingerprint

etc.

[wesleyh]

I like idea of non-squattable alias: @234343343 (@ + your account id). Only account can register this special alias.

I propose we *extend* that to something like:

@234343343.email
@234343343.website
@234343343.gpg_fingerprint

etc.

You can just use json format in alias

{"email": ..., "avatar": ..., "gpg_fingerprint": ... }

[CIYAM]

You can just use json format in alias

{"email": ..., "avatar": ..., "gpg_fingerprint": ... }

Problem is length limit - you won't be able to extend that (pretty sure each Alias is also limited to 1000 characters).

[ChuckOne]

There is simply no "good way to get unique names" (and in fact I think the "aliases" should have been non-unique also as now they are basically "useless tokens" a bit like all those "first bits" addresses that were obtained for 1 satoshi each years ago).

Well, there is more to consider. Humans and machines need to uniquely identify an asset.

For machines, a cryptic number is okay. They simply do not care.
For humans, that numbers are not. They need readable and catchy names.

Regarding squatting, we should also rise the price for aliases. Another thing, I would like to see is trading aliases. So, the price will handle that "useless tokens" and eventually make them useful again.

Well I don't actually want to use aliases, it's a hack. I  want another field in the asset exchange table format, which is unique. The alias solution now is a middleground, a prototype.

I do not see a problem with that. The more I think about it, the more I like it. Just let us trade aliases and the market will decide.

If you want to create an asset and you need a goooood name, you can buy it for the price it is worth to you. Simple. Works with domain names these days.

Nevertheless, I agree: the alias should be included in the asset exchange table. What alias do you choose right now? An account could have more than one alias.

[ChuckOne]

Hey ciyam, you see what happens when you push an idea / prototype? Discussion. Which results in new ideas. Good!

There is already a great invention for trust called GPG - maybe if we can help make *that* more user friendly we could integrate its usage *with* the Nxt platform.

I think the idea of "personal" aliases (unique attributes belonging to a user) could be helpful for that (one of those could be GPG fingerprint).

I like idea of non-squattable alias: @234343343 (@ + your account id). Only account can register this special alias.

How am I going to remember that one?

[wesleyh]

I do not see a problem with that. The more I think about it, the more I like it. Just let us trade aliases and the market will decide.

If you want to create an asset and you need a goooood name, you can buy it for the price it is worth to you. Simple. Works with domain names these days.

Nevertheless, I agree: the alias should be included in the asset exchange table. What alias do you choose right now? An account could have more than one alias.

User chooses which alias to use (that they own) when they create the asset.

[wesleyh]

Hey ciyam, you see what happens when you push an idea / prototype? Discussion. Which results in new ideas. Good!

There is already a great invention for trust called GPG - maybe if we can help make *that* more user friendly we could integrate its usage *with* the Nxt platform.

I think the idea of "personal" aliases (unique attributes belonging to a user) could be helpful for that (one of those could be GPG fingerprint).

I like idea of non-squattable alias: @234343343 (@ + your account id). Only account can register this special alias.

How am I going to remember that one?

You don't need to remember it, it's for clients. You can simply click a form to edit your email address and other personal details you want to share, without knowing the id).

[CIYAM]

It's all fine to say "let the market decide" but you do know that in many countries "it is illegal to squat on domain names" (countries like say Australia).

Also look at .bit - how well has that done?

Basically the squatting has pretty much ruined any impetus it had at all.

[BrianNowhere]

i do not know what to attribute the price swing to but i just wanted to point out that i also have noticed the striking independence from bitcoins price. not just in this swing but in general always nxt has been like that. to me its EXTREMELY long term bullish, no other altcoin behaves this way that i am aware of. for better or worse nxt is its own animal entirely.

There is one other alt-coin that has behaved pretty independently of BTC price, going up while BTC is going down and pretty much does it's own thing. That coin is DOGE. I think it's largely an effect of good marketing. Meanwhile Salascz (not sure if spelling right) has been a beast lately getting the word out and reddit.com/r/Nxt has been more active. (r/Dogecoin was INSTRUMENTAL in Doge popularity) and I don't want to take anything away from others working on the marketing either. Everyone who's out there spreading the word is helping Nxt gain independence from BTC. When BTC is going down people look for a better place to invest but don't want to go back to FIAT. Nxt is starting to become a good place for that.

Not to take anything away from DEVS but I think their efforts will show up later in the price. Right now it's good marketing and good word of mouth that will have the biggest effect on value.

[intmain()]

Hey ciyam, you see what happens when you push an idea / prototype? Discussion. Which results in new ideas. Good!

There is already a great invention for trust called GPG - maybe if we can help make *that* more user friendly we could integrate its usage *with* the Nxt platform.

I think the idea of "personal" aliases (unique attributes belonging to a user) could be helpful for that (one of those could be GPG fingerprint).

This is what I have been working on, somewhat. I'm using the already available ECC crypto-libraries in NXT instead of GPG/PGP libraries.

[wesleyh]

It's all fine to say "let the market decide" but you do know that in many countries "it is illegal to squat on domain names" (countries like say Australia).

Also look at .bit - how well has that done?

Basically the squatting has pretty much ruined any impetus it had at all.

Uh well non-unique aliases as you proposed could never work if you ever want to do something like namecoin, (DNS based system).

[ChuckOne]

It's all fine to say "let the market decide" but you do know that in many countries "it is illegal to squat on domain names" (countries like say Australia).

What is the point? NXT does not prevent anything. The community/market will "solve" the squatted name by simply not buying it.

[wesleyh]

Hey ciyam, you see what happens when you push an idea / prototype? Discussion. Which results in new ideas. Good!

There is already a great invention for trust called GPG - maybe if we can help make *that* more user friendly we could integrate its usage *with* the Nxt platform.

I think the idea of "personal" aliases (unique attributes belonging to a user) could be helpful for that (one of those could be GPG fingerprint).

This is what I have been working on, somewhat. I'm using the already available ECC crypto-libraries in NXT instead of GPG/PGP libraries.

Could you explain what you are working on in more detail?

[CIYAM]

This is what I have been working on, somewhat. I'm using the already available ECC crypto-libraries in NXT instead of GPG/PGP libraries.

Very good - this could really help things out.

[CIYAM]

It's all fine to say "let the market decide" but you do know that in many countries "it is illegal to squat on domain names" (countries like say Australia).

What is the point? NXT does not prevent anything. The community/market will "solve" the squatted name by simply not buying it.

The point is that no-one uses .bit because of all the name squatting - you want no-one to use Nxt then just follow in their footsteps.

We are supposed to be appealing to "business" (at least that is how we have tried to *brand* ourselves).

So if the first thing we do is prevent any business from being able to use their own name without extortion it is *hardly going to be appealing*.

[intmain()]

Could you explain what you are working on in more detail?

A decentralized DNS routing system that passes encrypted objects from one peer to another using a hallmarked server as a relay point.

[Hegemon]

So if the first thing we do is prevent any business from being able to use their own name without extortion it is *hardly going to be appealing*.

what are they doing with domain names since internet is born ?