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January 17, 2014, 06:43:02 PM
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wooohooo my favorite troll is back

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=419335.msg4568081#msg4568081

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January 17, 2014, 06:43:38 PM
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I wonder, will this thread ever be published as a book?..

I suggest to entitle it "No, I'm not BCNext"

Couldn't resist.



Cool, we already have the title page! BTW, is it supposed to say "SHHHHT"? Subliminal message?

And the Nxt logo does look like "lips sewn shut"...




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January 17, 2014, 06:44:00 PM
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Can anyone really predict all consequences?

Another meaning of "revolution" is "catastrophe"...

...but at least this lowers the risk of

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January 17, 2014, 06:47:03 PM
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Cool, we already have the title page! BTW, is it supposed to say "SHHHHT"? Subliminal message?

And the Nxt logo does look like "lips sewn shut"...

maybe Wink

Volume II:
"SHHHT! I am BCNext!"

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January 17, 2014, 06:52:30 PM
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Important announcement

BCNext devised a way to handover unclaimed coins in such a way that doesn't require multisig and still keeps the spirit of decentralization.

BCNext will choose 10 people. I'll contact these people privately to ask for an account id. Each of them will create a special account and send it to me. 1M NXT will be sent to each account (10M total, not 9M, so the community is supposed to subsidize the public nodes by itself). Jean-Luc will be asked to add a special code that blocks outgoing transactions from these special accounts. When the community decides how to spend part of the unclaimed coins, Jean-Luc will change the code to allow partial withdrawals possible. 10 chosen ones will send 1/10th of the required amount to the account the funds r supposed to go to.

Notes: Only account ids will be published, names of the people who control them will be known only to BCNext and me. Jean-Luc won't be included into this group. The goal of this obscurity is to remove community pressure on the chosen ones.

Discuss, the community may put veto on this approach.

Bad idea. REALLY BAD IDEA to change the client software and hard-define transaction rules inside the client. Am i alone who think so?

Bad idea for a couple of reasons.

1. For the community at large, nothing really changes. It just seems like more complicated to get the fund out.

2. Security reason: one account should have at least two people having an access to. As it is now I assume both bcnext and CFB have an access to the fund.

3. As in the proposal, the account holder is basically just an account holder since he cannot transfer the fund out anyway, don't see the need for annonimity.

4. Software needs to be modified, seem like just more work to be done.

5. Not sure what kind of decentralization it is when bcnext hands pick 10 accounts. But it actually does not matter anyway since as in this plan, being an account holder just seems like to have an extra burden without any real authority.

I would suggest bcnext and CFB just keep the fund for now until 1. We have a voting system in place or 2. Some kind of committee are formed.


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January 17, 2014, 07:01:40 PM
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Important announcement

BCNext devised a way to handover unclaimed coins in such a way that doesn't require multisig and still keeps the spirit of decentralization.

BCNext will choose 10 people. I'll contact these people privately to ask for an account id. Each of them will create a special account and send it to me. 1M NXT will be sent to each account (10M total, not 9M, so the community is supposed to subsidize the public nodes by itself). Jean-Luc will be asked to add a special code that blocks outgoing transactions from these special accounts. When the community decides how to spend part of the unclaimed coins, Jean-Luc will change the code to allow partial withdrawals possible. 10 chosen ones will send 1/10th of the required amount to the account the funds r supposed to go to.

Notes: Only account ids will be published, names of the people who control them will be known only to BCNext and me. Jean-Luc won't be included into this group. The goal of this obscurity is to remove community pressure on the chosen ones.

Discuss, the community may put veto on this approach.

Bad idea. REALLY BAD IDEA to change the client software and hard-define transaction rules inside the client. Am i alone who think so?

Bad idea for a couple of reasons.

1. For the community at large, nothing really changes. It just seems like more complicated to get the fund out.

2. Security reason: one account should have at least two people having an access to. As it is now I assume both bcnext and CFB have an access to the fund.

3. As in the proposal, the account holder is basically just an account holder since he cannot transfer the fund out anyway, don't see the need for annonimity.

4. Software needs to be modified, seem like just more work to be done.

5. Not sure what kind of decentralization it is when bcnext hands pick 10 accounts. But it actually does not matter anyway since as in this plan, being an account holder just seems like to have an extra burden without any real authority.

I would suggest bcnext and CFB just keep the fund for now until 1. We have a voting system in place or 2. Some kind of committee are formed.

i agree....the funds should not be left to a personal account but to the various committees.

a chosen member might disappear and we would lose access to the funds.

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January 17, 2014, 07:01:46 PM
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Am i alone who think so?
No. What if someone uses the previous version of the client without such block? Huh
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January 17, 2014, 07:02:31 PM
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Am i alone who think so?
No. What if someone uses the previous version of the client without such block? Huh

It would not be accepted by the network.
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January 17, 2014, 07:08:00 PM
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Important announcement

BCNext devised a way to handover unclaimed coins in such a way that doesn't require multisig and still keeps the spirit of decentralization.

BCNext will choose 10 people. I'll contact these people privately to ask for an account id. Each of them will create a special account and send it to me. 1M NXT will be sent to each account (10M total, not 9M, so the community is supposed to subsidize the public nodes by itself). Jean-Luc will be asked to add a special code that blocks outgoing transactions from these special accounts. When the community decides how to spend part of the unclaimed coins, Jean-Luc will change the code to allow partial withdrawals possible. 10 chosen ones will send 1/10th of the required amount to the account the funds r supposed to go to.

Notes: Only account ids will be published, names of the people who control them will be known only to BCNext and me. Jean-Luc won't be included into this group. The goal of this obscurity is to remove community pressure on the chosen ones.

Discuss, the community may put veto on this approach.
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January 17, 2014, 07:10:32 PM
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Am i alone who think so?
No. What if someone uses the previous version of the client without such block? Huh

It would not be accepted by the network.
No, there simply would be fork if others still use old clients.
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January 17, 2014, 07:29:03 PM
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Important announcement

BCNext devised a way...

Discuss, the community may put veto on this approach.

I am not convinced.
if BCNext has to free the 10 accounts anyway by himself, what is decentralized about it?
he could just send the Nxt himself.
and what happens if some accountholder dies? what happens if he refuses to fund the project, the community voted to be funded for?
wouldn't the distribution of the 10 mil. Nxt be a good test for the voting system?
BTW: did the devs already decide IF this will be implemented at all?

NXT: 5231236538923913892
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January 17, 2014, 07:33:15 PM
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CfB, J-L

maybe you didnt see this valid question.

What will be achieved with the funds set aside for development? (partialy answerd)

and what is the overall status of these projects, can you give comment on

for example:
Fund: OK or NOK        progress:complete,started,n/a            needs: development client


- Decentralized Alias System / DNS
Register names and assign them to URIs. 
URIs can be anything from web addresses to Nxt account numbers. 
These aliases will be tradeable in the near future.

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Basic DDoS Protection

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Decentralized Asset Exchange / Colored Coins
This allows gateways to issue assets on the Nxt network. 
These assets can include cryptocurrencies (BTC, LTC, etc), fiat currencies (USD, EUR, RMB, etc), stocks and other assets.

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Transparent Mining
Transactions are encrypted. 
Only PoS block generator can decrypt transactions.

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Arbitrary Messaging

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Instant Transactions

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Decentralized Marketplace / Auction
Buy or sell goods/services in a distributed manner. 
All listings are broadcast to all nodes on the network in P2P fashion.

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Distributed Storage

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Multi-signatures

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Blockchain Shrinking

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Two-phase Payments
Software supported escrow transactions

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Voting System

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Reputation System
Will be implemented after Voting System
Account trust rating system.  Check if sellers on the distributed exchange have a good history, if stock issuers pay dividends and if gateways honor their asset redemptions.

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Decentralized Mixing Service

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Distributed Computing

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Smart Contracts

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Hardware Wallets

Fund:          progress:            needs:

- Advanced DDoS Protection: Project Kharon

Fund:          progress:            needs:


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January 17, 2014, 07:35:32 PM
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he could just send the Nxt himself.

Valid points. We should point to 3 random accounts and ask their owners to reveal themselves.
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January 17, 2014, 07:37:16 PM
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CfB, J-L

maybe you didnt see this valid question.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4562615#msg4562615
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January 17, 2014, 07:46:45 PM
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... screenshots ...


Great work Marcus03!

It looks like you built this with Delphi, did you use VCL or FireMonkey? I have not worked with FM, but since it is targetable to OS X and Android, it probably would be the best choice.
I occasionally have built some stuff in Delphi, but would prefer to switch to C++ Builder wherever used Delphi before, so I am considering buying Studio XE5 - contains both.

Currently I quite a problems with Java client forging and cannot figure out if it is my network setup or bugs in the client/server, but if I could verify that your client works behind 2 NATs,
I would drop researching what is wrong with the Java reference client.

By any chance, if you need small help here and there, let me know. I would love to contribute to your client. A good client is the most important factor for NXT success in 2014.

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January 17, 2014, 08:07:47 PM
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It looks like you built this with Delphi, did you use VCL or FireMonkey? I have not worked with FM, but since it is targetable to OS X and Android, it probably would be the best choice.
I occasionally have built some stuff in Delphi, but would prefer to switch to C++ Builder wherever used Delphi before, so I am considering buying Studio XE5 - contains both.

Yes, this is a Delphi VCL project. I've never used FireMonkey. The project (and pretty much the whole way I code) relies on Developer Express VCL components and they do and will not support FM, so this will stay Windows only.

Thanks for offering your help!
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January 17, 2014, 08:11:16 PM
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Yes, this is a Delphi VCL project. I've never used FireMonkey. The project (and pretty much the whole way I code) relies on Developer Express VCL components and they do and will not support FM, so this will stay Windows only.

Thanks for offering your help!

Does your client forge?
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Last edit: January 17, 2014, 08:35:09 PM by Anon136
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Hey guys, Check out my

orderbook: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuZ9UiDk97ajdFQtdHN2RElUQU10NjdqRUNkWm5uUlE
and orderbook thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=420520

Place some orders, leave some feedback, you know the drill. Grin

Rep Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381041
If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited?
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January 17, 2014, 08:26:53 PM
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Yes, this is a Delphi VCL project. I've never used FireMonkey. The project (and pretty much the whole way I code) relies on Developer Express VCL components and they do and will not support FM, so this will stay Windows only.

Thanks for offering your help!

Does your client forge?

No. It doesn't. There is no API call for that.
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leave some feedback

I like colors u chose, especially blue ones.
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