NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[IveBeenBit]

Might I suggest that you do not hold your breath as you wait for the apology?

I obviously can’t stay in a community where four words and a stupid smiley makes somebody wish you death and don’t even think about apologizing (don’t bother doing it now in case your consciousness suddenly wakes up, it’s too late).

And I am tired of being one guy on the other side of everybody else. A cohesive community is much more important than stupid arguments.
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Huh? Somebody gave you a death threat? That's crazy.
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he is referring to my previous PUBLIC comment to him in this thread that if he cant figure out how play nice here with everyone (what everyone else was asking of him) that he should go play in traffic as far as I was concerned.  Notice he never used the phrase "death threat", but that is exactly what he wanted you all to think and you fell for more of his drama.

Not sure what forum rules are regarding posting PM (it's a dick move at the least, unless illegal content) but he failed to include the rest of my PM since if he did it would not support his drama.  Since I was the sender of the PM then I can justify posting it here:

But I am optimistic that instead of being a complete jackass to everyone who you think is going off in the wrong direction, that you can instead provide better guidance instead of reverting to a complete jackass. I do see 1 recent instance of that, perhaps you can keep it up?

i guess he couldnt

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[ChuckOne]

I vote for 0.1. How hard is it to implement min fee change? If it is very difficult (either program-wise or logistically) then maybe 0.01 is a better idea for now.

Why would you prefer a lower fee?

[ChuckOne]

0.25   Passion_ltc
0.01   landomata
0.1   CIYAM Open
0.1   longzai1988
0.1   LiQio
0.1   pinarello
0.01   minusbalancer
0.1   TwinWinNerD
0.1   bitcoinpaul
0.1   BitcoinForumator
0.1   grex
0.01   smaragda
0.01   mthcl
0.05   Jack Needles
0.1   gimre
0.001   Intel
0.01   Hegemon
0.1   lyynx
0.1   voldemort628
0.01   Ezravdb
0.1   Noltev
0.01   fmiboy
0.1   bidjl29
0.1   abuelau
0.1   seek4dream
0.1   wesleyh
0.1   achimsmile
0.1   Sebastien256
0.01   rriky92
0.1   MyZhre
0.1   msin
0.1   Ludom
0.1   xadidos
1.0   EmoneyRu
0.1   w4llace
0.1   Mistafreeze
0.1   CryptKeeper
0.01   DrearyUrbanite
0.1   MarvellousMutant
0.1   NxtChoice
0.1   abctc
0.1   eXtatiC
0.1   sherpico77
0.1 or 0.01   opticalcarrier
0.01   ImmortAlex
0.1   EvilDave
0.1   Damelon
0.1 or 0.01   pandaisftw

Updated tally.  Tried to be thorough, but standard disclaimers apply...

Some want it the way it is:

In numbers: 1.0 Count me in on that.

There are several others.

[smartwart]

hi all,

will the fee been adjusted for all kind of transactions?
It would be possible to reduce the fee eg. for AM and AE for testing only.
Would a selected reduction be an option?

cheers!

[pinarello]

Calming down already.

I'm not the dev. They are.

This seems to be the common misconception. CfB is constantly hinting people that devs won't do all the work.

Of course, if you are not a dev, you are not a dev, but nothing keeps you from being a part of the NXT community and do what you can do to make NXT a success. Just nagging doesn't help.

He sponsors a lot of projects Marcus03.

[ChuckOne]

Some want it the way it is:

In numbers: 1.0 Count me in on that.

There are several others.

Got you for 1.0.  Will repost after more to tally.

Can you point me to the other 1.0s?  Is a little difficult to tally when not clearly specified.

Hmm, I see. Most say just: 'why?' or the like .... let me see. I send you PM.

[opticalcarrier]

Some want it the way it is:

In numbers: 1.0 Count me in on that.

There are several others.

Got you for 1.0.  Will repost after more to tally.

Can you point me to the other 1.0s?  Is a little difficult to tally when not clearly specified.

(and, I really don't *want* to be responsible for tallying these votes...  consolidating for review)

make a google docs spreadsheet, with 4 columns: 1, .1, .01, .001
then put each username in the respective column.  we all need to decided if/how community will allow 2 votes per person for different categories or let them put their 2 votes in 1 category
lock it down so only you can update it, but that anyone with direct link can view it
receive community's thanks for doing this work

[martismartis]

1 NXT fee. I don't see any reason of lowering the fee today. Maybe then 1 NXT will be 1 USD.

[marcus03]

Calming down already.

I'm not the dev. They are.

This seems to be the common misconception. CfB is constantly hinting people that devs won't do all the work.

Of course, if you are not a dev, you are not a dev, but nothing keeps you from being a part of the NXT community and do what you can do to make NXT a success. Just nagging doesn't help.

He sponsors a lot of projects Marcus03.

I know and that might be part of the reason I go balistic on these kind of post from him especially. It feels like he is the one to decide and critize and others who get sponsored (or not) got to do all the work.

[opticalcarrier]

I know and that might be part of the reason I go balistic on these kind of post from him especially. It feels like he is the one to decide and critize and others who get sponsored (or not) got to do all the work.

guys, lets all just take a step back for a second and take a deep breath.  it looks like we are well past the point where we start to fragment.  A few weeks ago we were all doing great as a team.  When did it start to change?  I went over to nextcoin to ask about something in the peerexplorer thread and got accused of hiding something for running my network of heavy-hallmarked VPSs.

Not sure what is going wrong here.. LOL is that the real experiment?  Is it really a social experiment BCNext is playing on us?  LOL

[^[GS]^]

Congratulations on the new version!
NRS (0.5.12) @ nxtio.org   -- UPDATED

I vote 0.1 Fee for transactions!
and 0.01 for messages! 1 NXT for alias.

Please add in https://localhost:7875/admin.html, a option for see the hallmark of the current node. Read web.xml manually is impractical!

PD: Also would be great to add a way to know that accounts are unlocked in the node.  

[VanBreuk]

Not sure what is going wrong here.. LOL is that the real experiment?  Is it really a social experiment BCNext is playing on us?  LOL

Some people is simply uneasy waiting for developments. Even if we were guinea pigs, the best we can do is chill. I second your deep breath.

Once BTT stops 502ing thanks to the Maxcoin launch...

[Come-from-Beyond]

guys, lets all just take a step back for a second and take a deep breath.

Everybody's Free To Wear SUNSCREEN

[xyzzyx]

Just stepped back in and caught up.  Lots of stuff going on in the few hours I was away.

Regarding min fee, I think Passion_ltc's estimate is good:  0.25

That's assuming there is a large jump in Nxt price.  $1 USD per NXT seems a bit unrealistic to me at this time.  Then again, as I like to tell my friends, if there's one thing I know I do understand about cryptocurrency markets it's that I don't understand cryptocurrency markets.  

On Visa speeds and marketing: If saying we have Visa speeds or 1000 tps is worrying people that it may lead to unfulfilled expectations then I think we don't have to compare Nxt to Visa in marketing.  Instead perhaps we should say near-real-time or near-instant transactions. Or just the fastest transaction times in cryptocurrency.

On Turing-completeness and marketing: we shouldn't use the T-word in marketing, or perhaps only in the fine print.  Instead, we should push "smart transactions" or "complex transactions automatically" or "programmable transactions" and have aside-style blurbs to explain further for those interested.

On Turing-completeness and other Nxt work: some people expressed concern that we would be working on this instead of other features.  They might have a point.  However, only speaking for myself, the area of virtual machines is something I have experience in and is a place I can contribute.  Other features of Nxt, that's all new territory for me so I can't just jump in an be productive in those areas.  

I took a look at zero-knowlege proofs and that might as well be black-mathemagic to me.  

But VMs I learned how to do those back in the '90s.

Forging on low-cost computers with limited storage: those days may be numbered.  Leasing forging power will be where we want to shift marketing once it is implemented.

On 0.5.12: oh shit.  Upgraded.

[ejhuff]

If there was a guide for how to run a static-IP / VPS node, I might be willing to do it.

It's the same as running a local node. Just set ur IP in web.xml.

I've been looking all over for this little piece of information...  It is not available on the wiki, or the OP, etc.

There is something on the wiki

http://www.thenxtwiki.org/wiki/How-To:CreatePublicNode

I havent checked to see how you nav to it from the wiki frontpage though, so you may have given us a littly job to do.

It's linked off the menu on the left-hand side, through "How To Guides". You can also use the search bar; in this case, "VPS" is a particularly useful search term.

Remind me not to compose replies in the browser window.  This is the third time I am writing this (second rewrite) because of "Bad Gateway."  I am replying on https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=738.  If I ever get this to post, it was because I used the firefox "reload" button instead of the "back" button, and replied "yes" to the "resend info" question.

[Damelon]

I know and that might be part of the reason I go balistic on these kind of post from him especially. It feels like he is the one to decide and critize and others who get sponsored (or not) got to do all the work.

guys, lets all just take a step back for a second and take a deep breath.  it looks like we are well past the point where we start to fragment.  A few weeks ago we were all doing great as a team.  When did it start to change?  I went over to nextcoin to ask about something in the peerexplorer thread and got accused of hiding something for running my network of heavy-hallmarked VPSs.

Not sure what is going wrong here.. LOL is that the real experiment?  Is it really a social experiment BCNext is playing on us?  LOL

It's not uncommon at all

Apparently were entering a new phase, some new people come in, some developments create tension etc.

This happens in ANY group. It's not a biggie so long as a bit of lightheartedness stays.

Once we all take it very seriously, then there will be problems.

Some things didn't go the way we expected. That is never fun. Apparently they are fixable to some extent and some ideas will need to be changed.

Let's keep in mind that we are still moving enormously fast for a decentral group. A bit of appreciation for all your own efforts is a good thing.

[iruu]

Fee should be as close to zero to possible because processing a transaction costs basically nothing... it's so ridiculous this is even a question. 0.000001NXT.  

1000 TPS or whatever shouldn't be a problem, you only need about 32GB in theory (maximum, almost impossible case), a few MBs in practice for that. If that is a problem, just give each node 1/6 of required data (so you need 6 nodes to restore the thing) etc... but it shouldn't, ever.  

[ChuckOne]

Regarding Scripts:

Every script will reserve a chunk of memory (subject to fee charging).
Every memory cell will be a signed 64-bit integer.
Scripts won't be able to modify themselves nor other scripts, so JIT-compilation could be easily used.
Scripts will run in a sandbox by a byte-code interpretator.
Each operation will require the same amount of NXT, if an account runs out of coins then interpretation is halted.
Scripts will be able to read block and transaction data in format-agnostic manner, they will also be able to "send" transaction. Such the transactions won't require to be signed, they will be able to spend money from the original account only.
Forgers won't "interpret" scripts, interpretation will occur during pushing the block.

Something that I probably missed:

How is the script being included into the scripts-blockchain? By sending it to forgers like transactions?
How is the script being deactivated on the blockchain i.e. nobody can execute in anymore?

Who has the permissions to do what?

[Come-from-Beyond]

Here r instructions proposed by me. Only pure logic, block/transaction handling will be added later. All numbers r signed 64-bit integers when accessing Data and signed 32-bit integers when referring to Code.

Legend: C - constant, M - memory

M = C
M = M

M = M + M
M = M - M
M = M * M
M = M / M
M = M % M

M = ~M
M = M & M
M = M | M
M = M ^ M
M = M << M
M = M >> M
M = M >>> M

M == M @ C (this is read as "if M₁ equals M₂ then jump to instruction at position C")
M != M @ C
M < M @ C
M <= M @ C
M > M @ C
M >= M @ C
@ M (this is an unconditional jump)


Nothing extraordinary.

[marcus03]

guys, lets all just take a step back for a second and take a deep breath.  it looks like we are well past the point where we start to fragment.  A few weeks ago we were all doing great as a team.  When did it start to change?  I went over to nextcoin to ask about something in the peerexplorer thread and got accused of hiding something for running my network of heavy-hallmarked VPSs.

Not sure what is going wrong here.. LOL is that the real experiment?  Is it really a social experiment BCNext is playing on us?  LOL

I'm cool... I'm cool... ;-)  Will take a day off from NXT tomorrow. On average, NXT community rocks! :-)