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February 14, 2014, 05:23:47 PM |
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The positive side is that while doing that we can make the fractional part allow amounts much lower than 0.01, so we will achieve much higher divisibility.
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February 14, 2014, 05:25:15 PM |
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Release 0.7.5
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CIYAM
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February 14, 2014, 05:27:18 PM |
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The positive side is that while doing that we can make the fractional part allow amounts much lower than 0.01, so we will achieve much higher divisibility.
I just want to be sure about one thing - you aren't planning on using any floating point numbers for this are you (i.e. all the arithmetic will be using integers I hope)? |
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February 14, 2014, 05:28:28 PM |
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I believe optical and brooklynbtc bought it. I think  |
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February 14, 2014, 05:28:33 PM |
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It turns out the transition to fractional amounts, which is required for reducing the minimum fee, will not be that simple. It would require adding a new transaction type, because the current ordinary payment transaction stores amounts and fees with 1 NXT precision, not multiplied by 100 as in the account balance. So it will take longer to implement and test. The positive side is that while doing that we can make the fractional part allow amounts much lower than 0.01, so we will achieve much higher divisibility.
Well, that's a silver lining! Also means we keep discussing the pros and cons of lowering the fee. I was afraid I'd have to miss my weekend entertainment!  |
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February 14, 2014, 05:37:18 PM |
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It turns out the transition to fractional amounts, which is required for reducing the minimum fee, will not be that simple. It would require adding a new transaction type, because the current ordinary payment transaction stores amounts and fees with 1 NXT precision, not multiplied by 100 as in the account balance. So it will take longer to implement and test. The positive side is that while doing that we can make the fractional part allow amounts much lower than 0.01, so we will achieve much higher divisibility.
Does anyone think it may be possible to split NXT in the same way that a stock splits when it gets too valuable? i.e. if you have one NXT you now have 100 NXT... everything just gets multiplied and then new transaction fee could be 10 NXT. The reason I suggest this is because decimals are kind of a pain and it really encourages tipping and use when coins are not worth so much. People just feel cheap tipping 1 NXT. I think this is part of the reason DOGE tipping caught on so well. BCNext wanted to avoid using decimals but I think was shortsighted about how much the value of one NXT could end up being. Maybe this is too complicated to do though. |
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Jean-Luc
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February 14, 2014, 05:38:10 PM |
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all the arithmetic will be using integers I hope
Yes of course. |
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February 14, 2014, 05:40:36 PM |
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It turns out the transition to fractional amounts, which is required for reducing the minimum fee, will not be that simple. It would require adding a new transaction type, because the current ordinary payment transaction stores amounts and fees with 1 NXT precision, not multiplied by 100 as in the account balance. So it will take longer to implement and test. The positive side is that while doing that we can make the fractional part allow amounts much lower than 0.01, so we will achieve much higher divisibility.
Does anyone think it may be possible to split NXT in the same way that a stock splits when it gets too valuable? i.e. if you have one NXT you now have 100 NXT... everything just gets multiplied and then new transaction fee could be 10 NXT. The reason I suggest this is because decimals are kind of a pain and it really encourages tipping and use when coins are not worth so much. People just feel cheap tipping 1 NXT. I think this is part of the reason DOGE tipping caught on so well. BCNext wanted to avoid using decimals but I think was shortsighted about how much the value of one NXT could end up being. Maybe this is too complicated to do though. No, but it is like with bitcoins and mBTC. |
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February 14, 2014, 05:44:01 PM |
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Does anyone think it may be possible to split NXT in the same way that a stock splits when it gets too valuable? i.e. if you have one NXT you now have 100 NXT... everything just gets multiplied and then new transaction fee could be 10 NXT. The reason I suggest this is because decimals are kind of a pain and it really encourages tipping and use when coins are not worth so much. People just feel cheap tipping 1 NXT. I think this is part of the reason DOGE tipping caught on so well. BCNext wanted to avoid using decimals but I think was shortsighted about how much the value of one NXT could end up being. Maybe this is too complicated to do though.
Every time a decimal place of precision is added it can also be viewed as inflating the total NXT supply by an order of magnitude. The difference is really only how it is presented/viewed to the users. So in that way added precision could be viewed as a split. |
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February 14, 2014, 05:45:03 PM |
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Yes of course.
Good to know - btw - if you are going to have to "upgrade" the tx format are you also considering adding "pay to many" txs (and for even better compression also "pay the same amount to many" which could be useful for things like sending "dividends")? |
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Jean-Luc
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February 14, 2014, 05:48:51 PM |
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Good to know - btw - if you are going to have to "upgrade" the tx format are you also considering adding "pay to many" txs (and for even better compression also "pay the same amount to many" which could be useful for things like sending "dividends")?
Not now, this will open another can of worms. |
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February 14, 2014, 05:58:03 PM |
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Not now, this will open another can of worms.
Okay - the Nxt Script stuff is probably going to open a few such nasty cans.  |
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February 14, 2014, 06:01:59 PM |
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It turns out the transition to fractional amounts, which is required for reducing the minimum fee, will not be that simple. It would require adding a new transaction type, because the current ordinary payment transaction stores amounts and fees with 1 NXT precision, not multiplied by 100 as in the account balance. So it will take longer to implement and test. The positive side is that while doing that we can make the fractional part allow amounts much lower than 0.01, so we will achieve much higher divisibility.
Does anyone think it may be possible to split NXT in the same way that a stock splits when it gets too valuable? i.e. if you have one NXT you now have 100 NXT... everything just gets multiplied and then new transaction fee could be 10 NXT. The reason I suggest this is because decimals are kind of a pain and it really encourages tipping and use when coins are not worth so much. People just feel cheap tipping 1 NXT. I think this is part of the reason DOGE tipping caught on so well. BCNext wanted to avoid using decimals but I think was shortsighted about how much the value of one NXT could end up being. Maybe this is too complicated to do though. I think fractional amounts of NXT that is coming will resolve this. Though I did suggest a split as an AE operation. |
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February 14, 2014, 06:02:21 PM
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It turns out the transition to fractional amounts, which is required for reducing the minimum fee, will not be that simple. It would require adding a new transaction type, because the current ordinary payment transaction stores amounts and fees with 1 NXT precision, not multiplied by 100 as in the account balance. So it will take longer to implement and test. The positive side is that while doing that we can make the fractional part allow amounts much lower than 0.01, so we will achieve much higher divisibility.
Does anyone think it may be possible to split NXT in the same way that a stock splits when it gets too valuable? i.e. if you have one NXT you now have 100 NXT... everything just gets multiplied and then new transaction fee could be 10 NXT. The reason I suggest this is because decimals are kind of a pain and it really encourages tipping and use when coins are not worth so much. People just feel cheap tipping 1 NXT. I think this is part of the reason DOGE tipping caught on so well. BCNext wanted to avoid using decimals but I think was shortsighted about how much the value of one NXT could end up being. Maybe this is too complicated to do though. No, but it is like with bitcoins and mBTC. I think it also can be solved by the "real" coins on top of Nxt. It is like that you don't use Nxt to buy groceries but you use edollars to buy groceries as in today's market you don't use gold to buy groceries but you use dollars to buy groceries. |
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February 14, 2014, 06:03:32 PM |
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I believe optical and brooklynbtc bought it. I think how on earth did you get that Im involved in a purchage of nxtchg? cause Ive never said anything of the sort, and Ive not seen anyone around here mentioning it either. |
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February 14, 2014, 06:03:37 PM |
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all the arithmetic will be using integers I hope
Yes of course. Glad to hear. |
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February 14, 2014, 06:10:50 PM |
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Good to know - btw - if you are going to have to "upgrade" the tx format are you also considering adding "pay to many" txs (and for even better compression also "pay the same amount to many" which could be useful for things like sending "dividends")?
What's your hope in having such feature? |
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February 14, 2014, 06:17:49 PM |
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I believe optical and brooklynbtc bought it. I think how on earth did you get that Im involved in a purchage of nxtchg? cause Ive never said anything of the sort, and Ive not seen anyone around here mentioning it either. Sorry thought I heard earlier. It was mentioned. Just woke up so was a little mehhh...it was msin... >,> Can look at brooklynbtc earlier posts  I apologize for any dishonor :/ Edit: found the quote from earlier Anyone want to front me the 10btc for it? I'll run it at 1% fee and split it with you until you have your investment doubled. Deal? Sure. PM me and I'll get on it tomorrow, going to bed now. |
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February 14, 2014, 06:31:36 PM |
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Changed my NXT address to 12364258960487881341 in case you still want to donate some. Thanks!
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February 14, 2014, 06:35:16 PM |
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@JL [2014-02-14 18:23:55.255] Database is at level 13
[2014-02-14 18:23:55.267] DEBUG: Will apply sql:
ALTER TABLE block DROP COLUMN IF EXISTS index
[2014-02-14 18:26:26.984] DEBUG: Will apply sql:
ALTER TABLE transaction DROP COLUMN IF EXISTS index
[2014-02-14 18:33:32.807] Updated database is at level 15
Didn't the additional indexes help? |
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