NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[wesleyh]

Are the AE tests still going on and is there any point me joining, is there much of a learning curve beyond setup of a client?

TEST HERE : http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/
create a passphrase only for your testaccount
ask here for some TESTNXT with your account number  
like me :

plz send me some TESTNXT to 6770698723651913351

Would appreciate testnxt: 12745592950286399800

Anymore available?

Thanks!

EDIT: link above is not working for me...

What's not working about it?

[1713275311]

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[redsn0w]

Added a testnet node which is publicly visible at

testnxt-we.cloudapp.net

we = western europe, will add some more at different locations if this one is stable.

accepts connections for all 6874-6876 ports
I added some monitoring on API response and network traffic so if it dies I should get an alert and I can restart.

using up some cloud credits so this one and any others I add will stay around for then next month and then I will see based on the running costs.

Please can I have some testnxt to 2682312341463682985

Thanks

Sent 5K TestNxt to everyone , enjoy it

[rriky92]

Release 0.8.5

http://download.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-client-0.8.5.zip

Getting this:

[2014-03-04 14:44:44.167] DEBUG: processed block 45000
[2014-03-04 14:45:25.508] DEBUG: Stopping background jobs...

and then no more Java process.. why?

[jl777]

Unless I hear otherwise, I will assume that Mr 47...88 wants NXT to be able to trade crypto to crypto within NXT.

Atomic crosschain is by definition NXT blockchain <-> BTC blockchain (or other pair).
It is not NXT blockchain <-> NXT AE <-> BTC blockchain.
If the first is impossible, please give the proof.

In order to have the NXT core directly interface with the BTC blockchain, we would need to put some bitcoind functionality into the NXT core. That would mean finding a Java implementation or porting bitcoind, and each and every update to bitcoind. So, it is not impossible, just impractical. By the time the new bitcoind version is ported to Java, a new one is probably just around the corner.

In addition to being impractical, doing a cross chain transaction for each transaction adds a lot of overhead and time, especially if somebody is actively trading. There is also no assurance that the trade will complete since it requires both parties to have fully funded account and to follow through with sending their side of the transaction.

The advantage of NXT blockchain <-> NXT AE <-> BTC blockchain, is that the deposit of BTC is automated and when it is traded in AE, there is a guarantee of payment. So while technically it might not be automated cross chain, it actually solves the problem of automatically converting NXT <-> BTC.

I am not the expert in the secret sharing methods for the atomic cross chain trades, so it might be possible to add to the NXTcore the required secret sharing logic that is needed for this. Then there would need to be a way for the two parties to come to agreement on price and we cannot use the AE, so that is essentially the same sort of thing, just different. After the two parties agree to a price, they would need to invoke some sort of semi-automated process where each one locally signs and broadcasts their half of the shared secret transaction. There is no assurance that both parties will fully satisfy the transaction and it could all just not happen if either of them bails out. Then assuming we have ported a subset of bitcoind into the NXTcore, it could do the rawtransaction secret sharing monitoring.

It just seems to me that the NXT blockchain <-> NXT AE <-> BTC blockchain solution is much closer to what users are expecting. It also has the advantage that people will be able to trade any crypto against any other using a decentralize AE. That will be a uniquely powerful advantage for NXT.

Which solution to automated crypto trading is your preference?

James

[jl777]

Hello,

I have a small question about TestNode, could someone answer me ?

Is a testnode a normal node intended to be run on a dedicated/server or is it a node just to test the network and new versions ?

Thanks

There used to be a big difference between a test node and normal one. However, now it is just a matter of one change in the properties file in nxt/conf

nxt.isTestnet=true

You also need to set testnet peers:

nxt.testnetPeers=bug.airdns.org

testnodes are used by devs and testers so we can make sure it is ready for the mainnet

James

Your testnode doesn't work any more, switching to nxtsolaris.

Thats strange, I tested it and it was working for me. Probably I messed up the config file as I forgot to use the one that worked and had to make a new one.

If you arent using it, then I wont bother with the changes to allow external access.

James

[ithinkso117]

OK, so the "e" doesn't necessarily stand for experimental...
atm 0.8.5 is experimental and we should test it on test network (this corresponds to what is displayed on update.html)...
but, new and inexperienced users should still be pointed to the 0.7.6 download?

I don't know. The 0.7.6 will no longer be maintained, 0.8.5 has bugfixes, but also new features relative to 0.8.3, so it may have other bugs.

We need a QA team even more than we need java developers. There is only so much testing that I can do myself. Even when we have unit tests one day, we will still need functional testing. At the end, it should be the QA team that declares a release stable.

Hi Jean-Luc,

The Nxt is a brilliant product, and support multi-language and easy deploy will make it better, yes there are many third-part "easy use" client, but a one-click setup client is good to see on offcial website:), you know 80% people in this world has no linux experience even bat file on windows .

About multi-language, I see languages are hardcode in html file, is it possible to support multi-language in future version? I can help on Chinese translation:)

Thanks.

[wesleyh]

Hello,

I have a small question about TestNode, could someone answer me ?

Is a testnode a normal node intended to be run on a dedicated/server or is it a node just to test the network and new versions ?

Thanks

There used to be a big difference between a test node and normal one. However, now it is just a matter of one change in the properties file in nxt/conf

nxt.isTestnet=true

You also need to set testnet peers:

nxt.testnetPeers=bug.airdns.org

testnodes are used by devs and testers so we can make sure it is ready for the mainnet

James

Your testnode doesn't work any more, switching to nxtsolaris.

Thats strange, I tested it and it was working for me. Probably I messed up the config file as I forgot to use the one that worked and had to make a new one.

If you arent using it, then I wont bother with the changes to allow external access.

James

Probably didn't allow API CORS?

[klee]

I can't get Offspring to work, I see no blocks, no transactions and my balance is zero!

[Fatih87SK]

OK, so the "e" doesn't necessarily stand for experimental...
atm 0.8.5 is experimental and we should test it on test network (this corresponds to what is displayed on update.html)...
but, new and inexperienced users should still be pointed to the 0.7.6 download?

I don't know. The 0.7.6 will no longer be maintained, 0.8.5 has bugfixes, but also new features relative to 0.8.3, so it may have other bugs.

We need a QA team even more than we need java developers. There is only so much testing that I can do myself. Even when we have unit tests one day, we will still need functional testing. At the end, it should be the QA team that declares a release stable.

Hi Jean-Luc,

The Nxt is a brilliant product, and support multi-language and easy deploy will make it better, yes there are many third-part "easy use" client, but a one-click setup client is good to see on offcial website:), you know 80% people in this world has no linux experience even bat file on windows .

About multi-language, I see languages are hardcode in html file, is it possible to support multi-language in future version? I can help on Chinese translation:)

Thanks.

Good question.

Will there be a one click installable wallet available at the official website?
Or are we going to choose an official one out of the clients that are available now?

[wesleyh]

I can't get Offspring to work, I see no blocks, no transactions and my balance is zero!

Make sure you are not running another instance of Nxt. Only then it will download blockchain.

[pinarello]

I can't get Offspring to work, I see no blocks, no transactions and my balance is zero!

you are goxed

[punkrock]

On http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/ I get when logging in:

Code:

[Exception... "<no message>"  nsresult: "0x805e0006 (<unknown>)"  location: "JS frame :: http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/js/jquery-2.1.0.min.js :: .send :: line 4"  data: no]

[klee]

Unless I hear otherwise, I will assume that Mr 47...88 wants NXT to be able to trade crypto to crypto within NXT.

Atomic crosschain is by definition NXT blockchain <-> BTC blockchain (or other pair).
It is not NXT blockchain <-> NXT AE <-> BTC blockchain.
If the first is impossible, please give the proof.

In order to have the NXT core directly interface with the BTC blockchain, we would need to put some bitcoind functionality into the NXT core. That would mean finding a Java implementation or porting bitcoind, and each and every update to bitcoind. So, it is not impossible, just impractical. By the time the new bitcoind version is ported to Java, a new one is probably just around the corner.

In addition to being impractical, doing a cross chain transaction for each transaction adds a lot of overhead and time, especially if somebody is actively trading. There is also no assurance that the trade will complete since it requires both parties to have fully funded account and to follow through with sending their side of the transaction.

The advantage of NXT blockchain <-> NXT AE <-> BTC blockchain, is that the deposit of BTC is automated and when it is traded in AE, there is a guarantee of payment. So while technically it might not be automated cross chain, it actually solves the problem of automatically converting NXT <-> BTC.

I am not the expert in the secret sharing methods for the atomic cross chain trades, so it might be possible to add to the NXTcore the required secret sharing logic that is needed for this. Then there would need to be a way for the two parties to come to agreement on price and we cannot use the AE, so that is essentially the same sort of thing, just different. After the two parties agree to a price, they would need to invoke some sort of semi-automated process where each one locally signs and broadcasts their half of the shared secret transaction. There is no assurance that both parties will fully satisfy the transaction and it could all just not happen if either of them bails out. Then assuming we have ported a subset of bitcoind into the NXTcore, it could do the rawtransaction secret sharing monitoring.

It just seems to me that the NXT blockchain <-> NXT AE <-> BTC blockchain solution is much closer to what users are expecting. It also has the advantage that people will be able to trade any crypto against any other using a decentralize AE. That will be a uniquely powerful advantage for NXT.

Which solution to automated crypto trading is your preference?

James

https://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/

[wesleyh]

On http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/ I get when logging in:

Code:

[Exception... "<no message>"  nsresult: "0x805e0006 (<unknown>)"  location: "JS frame :: http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/js/jquery-2.1.0.min.js :: .send :: line 4"  data: no]

which browser is that and at what point do you get this message, when logging in or elsewhere?

[4747...888]

Which solution to automated crypto trading is your preference?

Your solution needs trust for some third party gateway.
I prefer straigt solution.
But if there would be no progress in straigt atomic crosschain for several months and you will release slick and sexy "NXT blockchain <-> NXT AE <-> BTC blockchain" solution i may reconsider and propose another bounty for this (with yet not determined amount of NXT).

[klee]

I can't get Offspring to work, I see no blocks, no transactions and my balance is zero!

Make sure you are not running another instance of Nxt. Only then it will download blockchain.

Oh thanks!

I can't get Offspring to work, I see no blocks, no transactions and my balance is zero!

you are goxed

DGEXed! lol

[lezin]

Your testnode doesn't work any more, switching to nxtsolaris.

Thats strange, I tested it and it was working for me. Probably I messed up the config file as I forgot to use the one that worked and had to make a new one.

If you arent using it, then I wont bother with the changes to allow external access.

James

Thanks a lot

I have made some change on my server and a reboot. So maybe you have test when it was off.

[VanBreuk]

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Hash: SHA1

Release 0.8.5

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Thank you!

Problem: the run.bat windows script returns syntax error. It appears to be related to the newlines, the original script posted by EmoneyRu works fine as pasted from Gist.

It is a problem with line feeds. Unix only uses LF and DOS/Windows uses CR/LF in the end of the lines. Right now the run.bat in 0.8.4e/5 does not work as is.

For the next release, using Linux you should run the .bat file through unix2dos, or you can use perl:

Code:

perl -p -e 's/\n/\r\n/' < LINUX_RUN.BAT > WINDOWS_RUN.BAT

[bitcoinpaul]

But if there would be no progress in straigt atomic crosschain for several months and you will release slick and sexy "NXT blockchain <-> NXT AE <-> BTC blockchain" solution i may reconsider and propose another bounty for this (with yet not determined amount of NXT).

Nice! But "several months" is very long in the crypto world.

[klee]

I can't get Offspring to work, I see no blocks, no transactions and my balance is zero!

Make sure you are not running another instance of Nxt. Only then it will download blockchain.

http://imgur.com/WJ8EGO3