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May 16, 2018, 11:39:55 AM
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LUX is doing a hardfork to stay asic and FPGA resistant!
Good for me as i have not had the balls to order a fpga Tongue
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May 16, 2018, 11:53:07 AM
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I don't see where the idea comes from that increased mining hashrate increases a coins' price.
A higher gold price causes increased interest in gold mining, not vice versa.

I believe the thinking is:

faster hash rate = more coins = more profitability -> drives more miners -> more interest => more speculation on the coin

There are some iffy transistions but that seems to be the 'pump dump' / penny-crypto way

Currently there are some farms specifically mining DNR masternodes to hodl. Taking a guess here, but people using FPGA's might not be dumping which could over time increase price since they might be more hashrate than the smaller miners constantly dumping. Obviously excited to hear about public FPGA's in general.

If these turn out to be real I wouldn't mind being able to bump up the devfee as a huge thanks for doing this.

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May 16, 2018, 12:21:14 PM
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LUX is doing a hardfork to stay asic and FPGA resistant!
Good for me as i have not had the balls to order a fpga Tongue

Source?
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May 16, 2018, 01:34:03 PM
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Any update as to the group buy?

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May 16, 2018, 01:34:27 PM
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LUX is doing a hardfork to stay asic and FPGA resistant!
Good for me as i have not had the balls to order a fpga Tongue

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We are pleased to announce PHI2 public testing has commenced on one of our testnets!

These new changes include FPGA and ASIC protection...along with 30-60% power reduction, and lower temps
Full release won't happen until we do a fork and introduce Segwit, Smart Contracts, POW/POS/MN reward changes and a few other things

Test pool: http://testpool.luxcore.io/  
CC Miner: http://www.luxcore.io/files/ccminer-new-phi.zip

ccminer-x64.exe -a phi2 -o stratum+tcp://testpool.luxcore.io:3033 -u address -p x -i 21

Note: There are no rewards for testing - We are looking forward to your feedback!


Not surprising, given that few 1000s of these FPGAs can destroy the Phi network.
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May 16, 2018, 02:48:20 PM
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LUX is doing a hardfork to stay asic and FPGA resistant!
Good for me as i have not had the balls to order a fpga Tongue

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We are pleased to announce PHI2 public testing has commenced on one of our testnets!

These new changes include FPGA and ASIC protection...along with 30-60% power reduction, and lower temps
Full release won't happen until we do a fork and introduce Segwit, Smart Contracts, POW/POS/MN reward changes and a few other things

Test pool: http://testpool.luxcore.io/  
CC Miner: http://www.luxcore.io/files/ccminer-new-phi.zip

ccminer-x64.exe -a phi2 -o stratum+tcp://testpool.luxcore.io:3033 -u address -p x -i 21

Note: There are no rewards for testing - We are looking forward to your feedback!


Not surprising, given that few 1000s of these FPGAs can destroy the Phi network.

he just need to reprogram his fpga, there isn't any asic or fpga protection all illusion, there is just profitable enough or not profitable enough to make an asic/fpga for it
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May 16, 2018, 02:56:41 PM
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You are wrong. Smiley
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May 16, 2018, 03:05:41 PM
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You are wrong. Smiley

Interesting, I am grabbing some popcorn...
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May 16, 2018, 03:09:11 PM
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No need, it's all I had to say.
The rest will come with time.
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May 16, 2018, 03:27:58 PM
Last edit: May 16, 2018, 03:46:19 PM by GPUHoarder
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No need, it's all I had to say.
The rest will come with time.

The group asked for my opinion and I agree. PHI2 appears to be more of the same ASIC resistance line of thinking based on some misconceptions about what makes things hard for hardware.

The fact that you lumped ASIC and FPGA resistance in one line is more telling than anything else.

To be less skeptical, show me your white paper documenting the PHI2 algorithm and decisions that were made and cryptoanalysis that was done on it to be FPGA resistant?

It also appear you’ve released the GPL miner binary, so I respectfully request the source.

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May 16, 2018, 04:07:44 PM
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No need, it's all I had to say.
The rest will come with time.

The group asked for my opinion and I agree. PHI2 appears to be more of the same ASIC resistance line of thinking based on some misconceptions about what makes things hard for hardware.

The fact that you lumped ASIC and FPGA resistance in one line is more telling than anything else.

To be less skeptical, show me your white paper documenting the PHI2 algorithm and decisions that were made and cryptoanalysis that was done on it to be FPGA resistant?

It also appear you’ve released the GPL miner binary, so I respectfully request the source.



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May 16, 2018, 04:22:48 PM
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No need, it's all I had to say.
The rest will come with time.

The group asked for my opinion and I agree. PHI2 appears to be more of the same ASIC resistance line of thinking based on some misconceptions about what makes things hard for hardware.

The fact that you lumped ASIC and FPGA resistance in one line is more telling than anything else.

To be less skeptical, show me your white paper documenting the PHI2 algorithm and decisions that were made and cryptoanalysis that was done on it to be FPGA resistant?

It also appear you’ve released the GPL miner binary, so I respectfully request the source.



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To be clear I am not against coins that decide from the get-go to be ASIC resistant, even those that decide to be FPGA resistant. I’m perfectly willing to design hardware to take advantage of a coins failure to actually be resistant though. The challenge alone is worth it, there are many ways to solve a problem.

What I do think is important is to hold those decisions to scrutiny. Otherwise what you have is smaller coins waving the “hey we are asic resistant!” flag as a marketing tool, hoping to be the next big GPU coin regardless of the validity of the claims.

They need to stand up to public review and get experts in the various disciplines to chime in on their decisions. From what I can tell PHI2 seems to have been developed in secret - and nothing is published on the algorithm itself, which makes me suspect. It also makes it clear that it hasn’t been broadly reviewed and given a chance to  stand on its own merits.



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May 16, 2018, 04:52:57 PM
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The miner will be open source, obviously, once it has passed the testing phase, as every ccminer version developed by the team (including my ccminer-phi).
As for the rest of the questions raised above, answers will come - once we get closer to our goal - and work by tpruvot, our lead cryptographer, and the dev team is finished.
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May 16, 2018, 05:08:00 PM
Last edit: May 16, 2018, 05:38:13 PM by pinwc4
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If you are interested in acquiring hardware, contact jason.harvey@avnet.com for the VCU1525, or Christian Robichaud of Bittware, for the Bittware XUPP3R-VU9P (crobichaud@bittware.com).  Tell them you were referred by Zetheron Technology and you want the cards for crypto-mining and they can expedite the lead time, which is currently around 4 weeks.  The intro price (at Avnet) on the VCU1525 is $3995 USD, but it will be going up to around $5K in July.  

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Does anyone know where else I can get the VCU1525 kit from shipped to the US?  Initially I tried contacting avnet to order a board or two to play with but am getting nowhere.  I signed their export agreement and every couple of days ask what I need to do to order the hardware but never get an answer to the question.  Yesterday I decided to just grab one from Digikey as I have ordered a lot of parts from them in the past but as someone else mentioned they disappeared from there too.  

Also thank you whitefire990 for this post, I had been interested in playing with FPGAs for a long time and this was the kick I needed.  
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May 16, 2018, 05:14:31 PM
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If you are interested in acquiring hardware, contact jason.harvey@avnet.com for the VCU1525, or Christian Robichaud of Bittware, for the Bittware XUPP3R-VU9P (crobichaud@bittware.com).  Tell them you were referred by Zetheron Technology and you want the cards for crypto-mining and they can expedite the lead time, which is currently around 4 weeks.  The intro price (at Avnet) on the VCU1525 is $3995 USD, but it will be going up to around $5K in July.  

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Initially I tried contacting avnet to order a board to two to play with but am getting nowhere.  I signed their export agreement and every couple of days ask what I need to do to order the hardware but never get an answer to the question. 

Same here, no response after signing the agreement. Maybe they are swamped..
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May 16, 2018, 05:28:40 PM
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If you are interested in acquiring hardware, contact jason.harvey@avnet.com for the VCU1525, or Christian Robichaud of Bittware, for the Bittware XUPP3R-VU9P (crobichaud@bittware.com).  Tell them you were referred by Zetheron Technology and you want the cards for crypto-mining and they can expedite the lead time, which is currently around 4 weeks.  The intro price (at Avnet) on the VCU1525 is $3995 USD, but it will be going up to around $5K in July.  

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Initially I tried contacting avnet to order a board to two to play with but am getting nowhere.  I signed their export agreement and every couple of days ask what I need to do to order the hardware but never get an answer to the question. 

Same here, no response after signing the agreement. Maybe they are swamped..

I work with Avnet all the time, sadly this is normal. Hardware the backside  doesn’t move at consumer pace, very slowly. Also lead times are a few weeks now.
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May 16, 2018, 06:17:25 PM
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If you are interested in acquiring hardware, contact jason.harvey@avnet.com for the VCU1525, or Christian Robichaud of Bittware, for the Bittware XUPP3R-VU9P (crobichaud@bittware.com).  Tell them you were referred by Zetheron Technology and you want the cards for crypto-mining and they can expedite the lead time, which is currently around 4 weeks.  The intro price (at Avnet) on the VCU1525 is $3995 USD, but it will be going up to around $5K in July.  

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Initially I tried contacting avnet to order a board to two to play with but am getting nowhere.  I signed their export agreement and every couple of days ask what I need to do to order the hardware but never get an answer to the question. 

Same here, no response after signing the agreement. Maybe they are swamped..

same here.

Also I dont get why Lux would want to be FPGA resistant, FPGAs seem awesome.
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May 16, 2018, 06:45:44 PM
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If you are interested in acquiring hardware, contact jason.harvey@avnet.com for the VCU1525, or Christian Robichaud of Bittware, for the Bittware XUPP3R-VU9P (crobichaud@bittware.com).  Tell them you were referred by Zetheron Technology and you want the cards for crypto-mining and they can expedite the lead time, which is currently around 4 weeks.  The intro price (at Avnet) on the VCU1525 is $3995 USD, but it will be going up to around $5K in July.  

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Initially I tried contacting avnet to order a board to two to play with but am getting nowhere.  I signed their export agreement and every couple of days ask what I need to do to order the hardware but never get an answer to the question. 

Same here, no response after signing the agreement. Maybe they are swamped..

same here.

Also I dont get why Lux would want to be FPGA resistant, FPGAs seem awesome.

Most of the people I have spoken with are Anti-ASIC but pro general purpose acceleration hardware (such as FPGAs). There is certainly a group that has a vested interest in keeping their GPU farms running or using existing hardware that users have.

Soon we should have FPGA boards in the realm of GPU costs ($200-600) that “everyone” could buy. That may sway opinions, but I imagine some will still cling to their GPU centric goals. I can’t fault a group for making a decision and sticking to it.
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May 16, 2018, 06:50:10 PM
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I work with Avnet all the time, sadly this is normal. Hardware the backside  doesn’t move at consumer pace, very slowly. Also lead times are a few weeks now.

Good to know this is just their standard operating procedure and I am not the only one stuck in limbo.  And yeah, I expected a long lead time after I ordered the hardware.  I just was not expecting 2+ weeks of lead time to first place the order.  
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May 16, 2018, 07:24:56 PM
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hmm , something i dont get it
The title is DIY FPGA .. bit it seems i can do and vcu1525 or vup9 by myself right ?

Anyway, i read all the topic and i'm still very confused, and i'm not the one.

About one thing on the OP first post :
why show picture of the rig , ( 8 vcu1525 right ? ) and not show some action you know ,stuff running on algo via cmd or just nicehash to show us how profitable is

OP¨said that he's working on config files for FPGA XUPP3R-VU9P , that released on 30 may
And after he said : If you already have a VCU1525 (a real one, not AWS instance), then please message me ASAP to receive your pre-release software.

So is the FPGA XUPP3R-VU9P and the VCU1525 is the same thing or what ??

Plz, can you take into consideration that some ppl (including me) are not english and are not pro, so can i ask you all,  for all of us,  to be a little bit clear.

Things like , if i 'll buy an vcu1525, which algo can we mine as soon as we receive it ?

And you said that The Avnet KU040 is $975 can mine at 3GH/s

hmmm, 1000Mh/s = 1GH/s right ?

its equal to 3.5 1070ti , but how many Watt consume the KU040 ?

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