[ANN] Conicoin – ICO insurance platform

[holydarkness]

Regarding third party NDA, yes it is unlikely indeed, but it doesn't mean it's impossible. There still will some probability it'll happen. So what'll be your solution?

And regarding privacy, it's actually not a point that I asked, but your explanation sparked a curiosity on my mind, suppose a project require their investors to do kyc in the middle of their ICO, where they were not asking this at thr stsrt, will the investor allowed to leave with all their funds?

As we have explained before, If during the ICO integration our partner is forced to introduce any additional privacy rules, we will carry out the necessary changes to the list of commitments, inform our clients of the update and in case of NDA breach come up with some other kind of actions verification. After all, the investor should be notified by the ICO team of integration with our platform and act accordingly.

Based on your second question, you have not quite grasped the idea of our project. Let us go through once again. If our Clients face any kind of condition that does not meet their expectations/acceptance criteria(being that a newly introduced KYC, that they for some reason want to avoid, or any other reason), they are free to withdraw the invested money and un-hold the purchased tokens.

To avoid confusion and focusing more on the topic, I'd like to keep the second topic away for now and discuss more on the first one. If I may give an example,

ABCoin is a breakthrough project on medical sector that try to achieve healthier life. They requested ICO from your service, and managed to collect 30% of their hard-cap from the ICO. However, at the same time, private investors also interested on their project, amd fund them with something worth 65% of the hard-cap. And as project goes by during the funding, ABCoin developed so much that now they have an elixir for immortality. However, this needs to be kept hidden as the private investors don't want each of their competitors to know they're on the lead of something. Thus, an NDA where they may not give updates about their development or even date of token unlock until the product is finalized, even to your team. Which lead us to a situation where:

1. iCO investors only know that the softcap is reached and project should be successful, but their token is still locked until god-know-when.
2. ABCoin can only give "please wait for update, we will announce once available.
3. Your team only got a slightly better info about update as in "we're in the middle of something big with big companies. Please wait."

On this situation, without knowing that ABCoin is in the middle of something big, and there already 1 year passed since their presale event, most people will assume it is a scam, even your team will mostly think it is, due to the long stretch and intense silence, although in fact, it was not and it was truly a big project. Yet the stretch made ICO investors demand to declare the project as scam and their funds liquidated.

Interesting example. We think that this situation is highly unlikely, but for the sake of mental experiment, let's discuss it.
 
In case when the ICO project has some secret breakthrough technology in stock and the interest of a Big Secret Investor or simply needs to start KYC, we will merely stay consistent in our solution - we openly transfer this message to the Clients. Then there are 2 scenarios: the Client can either go through the KYC process as expected by the Big Secret Investor and the ICO team or return their money. We think, that this is the fairest way in this case because it rests with our Client to decide what to do.
 
If during or before the integration period a widely known Company invests money in the project, a logical step would be to disclose the name of this Company. The name of the Company and its relation to the project will in itself be a guarantee of project team’s intentions and commitments.
 
In case if the Company investing into the ICO project is not widely-known or its name is irrelevant for the overall reputation of the project (Secret Affiliate Company) and at the same time we have the "conspiracy" scenario going on, we are not sure that this kind of project is worth the risk. Judge for yourself: no information on the project, no commitments, unknown deadlines. This project would be both useless and be a blow to our reputation.
 
On the other hand, if we get in touch with the Big Secret investor, we might as well offer them our services and sign the NDA on our side. All three sides would benefit from this arrangement: the ICO team receives a guarantee of timely payment for the work done, the Investing Company has a backup plan in case something goes wrong, we receive an opportunity to build up our reputation.

Uhh... Actually, I'd like to leave the KYC case for now to be revisited later at a separate and different case. The case I'm currently discussing about is a project that's funded by 2 sources: by crypto-investors (namely, us, the user of your service) and by real-world investor (which ends up funding at a larger proportion).

With this established, the story developed to a situation where the real world investors demanded a complete secrecy, where development is limited for their consumption only, for the sake of protecting secret from competitor, which leaves the crypto investors (and indirectly, your platform too) in the dark for a really long time.

The interesting part is, this is actually a real story. I don't feel comfortable disclosing the name, for the fear of being considered as bad mouthing, but there is this project that stretched their token release for perhaps 8-9 months from ICO, and leave their crypto investors in dark because they're binded by NDA of real-world investors. Maybe you have an idea of what project I talked about as some crypto reviewer(s) declare them as one of the longest ICO. If I'm not mistaken, their project began in early 2018, ICO concluded on mid 2018, and here in Q1 2019, token release just happened one month ago, and they're not on any CEX yet.To be fair, it seems they deliver a really big project, given the indication of which "companies" are involved with them

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[conicoin]

Regarding third party NDA, yes it is unlikely indeed, but it doesn't mean it's impossible. There still will some probability it'll happen. So what'll be your solution?

And regarding privacy, it's actually not a point that I asked, but your explanation sparked a curiosity on my mind, suppose a project require their investors to do kyc in the middle of their ICO, where they were not asking this at thr stsrt, will the investor allowed to leave with all their funds?

As we have explained before, If during the ICO integration our partner is forced to introduce any additional privacy rules, we will carry out the necessary changes to the list of commitments, inform our clients of the update and in case of NDA breach come up with some other kind of actions verification. After all, the investor should be notified by the ICO team of integration with our platform and act accordingly.

Based on your second question, you have not quite grasped the idea of our project. Let us go through once again. If our Clients face any kind of condition that does not meet their expectations/acceptance criteria(being that a newly introduced KYC, that they for some reason want to avoid, or any other reason), they are free to withdraw the invested money and un-hold the purchased tokens.

To avoid confusion and focusing more on the topic, I'd like to keep the second topic away for now and discuss more on the first one. If I may give an example,

ABCoin is a breakthrough project on medical sector that try to achieve healthier life. They requested ICO from your service, and managed to collect 30% of their hard-cap from the ICO. However, at the same time, private investors also interested on their project, amd fund them with something worth 65% of the hard-cap. And as project goes by during the funding, ABCoin developed so much that now they have an elixir for immortality. However, this needs to be kept hidden as the private investors don't want each of their competitors to know they're on the lead of something. Thus, an NDA where they may not give updates about their development or even date of token unlock until the product is finalized, even to your team. Which lead us to a situation where:

1. iCO investors only know that the softcap is reached and project should be successful, but their token is still locked until god-know-when.
2. ABCoin can only give "please wait for update, we will announce once available.
3. Your team only got a slightly better info about update as in "we're in the middle of something big with big companies. Please wait."

On this situation, without knowing that ABCoin is in the middle of something big, and there already 1 year passed since their presale event, most people will assume it is a scam, even your team will mostly think it is, due to the long stretch and intense silence, although in fact, it was not and it was truly a big project. Yet the stretch made ICO investors demand to declare the project as scam and their funds liquidated.

Interesting example. We think that this situation is highly unlikely, but for the sake of mental experiment, let's discuss it.
 
In case when the ICO project has some secret breakthrough technology in stock and the interest of a Big Secret Investor or simply needs to start KYC, we will merely stay consistent in our solution - we openly transfer this message to the Clients. Then there are 2 scenarios: the Client can either go through the KYC process as expected by the Big Secret Investor and the ICO team or return their money. We think, that this is the fairest way in this case because it rests with our Client to decide what to do.
 
If during or before the integration period a widely known Company invests money in the project, a logical step would be to disclose the name of this Company. The name of the Company and its relation to the project will in itself be a guarantee of project team’s intentions and commitments.
 
In case if the Company investing into the ICO project is not widely-known or its name is irrelevant for the overall reputation of the project (Secret Affiliate Company) and at the same time we have the "conspiracy" scenario going on, we are not sure that this kind of project is worth the risk. Judge for yourself: no information on the project, no commitments, unknown deadlines. This project would be both useless and be a blow to our reputation.
 
On the other hand, if we get in touch with the Big Secret investor, we might as well offer them our services and sign the NDA on our side. All three sides would benefit from this arrangement: the ICO team receives a guarantee of timely payment for the work done, the Investing Company has a backup plan in case something goes wrong, we receive an opportunity to build up our reputation.

Uhh... Actually, I'd like to leave the KYC case for now to be revisited later at a separate and different case. The case I'm currently discussing about is a project that's funded by 2 sources: by crypto-investors (namely, us, the user of your service) and by real-world investor (which ends up funding at a larger proportion).

With this established, the story developed to a situation where the real world investors demanded a complete secrecy, where development is limited for their consumption only, for the sake of protecting secret from competitor, which leaves the crypto investors (and indirectly, your platform too) in the dark for a really long time.

The interesting part is, this is actually a real story. I don't feel comfortable disclosing the name, for the fear of being considered as bad mouthing, but there is this project that stretched their token release for perhaps 8-9 months from ICO, and leave their crypto investors in dark because they're binded by NDA of real-world investors. Maybe you have an idea of what project I talked about as some crypto reviewer(s) declare them as one of the longest ICO. If I'm not mistaken, their project began in early 2018, ICO concluded on mid 2018, and here in Q1 2019, token release just happened one month ago, and they're not on any CEX yet.To be fair, it seems they deliver a really big project, given the indication of which "companies" are involved with them

In our case this problem will be solved by the following scenario. As you have mentioned crypto-investors knew that the ICO has some investment from a real-world investor. This fact can be the reason to believe in the project, if the real-word investor has a “Big name", if it does not, crypto-investors are free to decide whether or not they want to have tokens of a company that does not wish to disclose information about it's performance and keep the option to return their funds if it's needed

[holydarkness]

~snip~

In our case this problem will be solved by the following scenario. As you have mentioned crypto-investors knew that the ICO has some investment from a real-world investor. This fact can be the reason to believe in the project, if the real-word investor has a “Big name", if it does not, crypto-investors are free to decide whether or not they want to have tokens of a company that does not wish to disclose information about it's performance and keep the option to return their funds if it's needed

So, to conclude, they're allowed to "cancel" their investment and fully withdraw their funds from the project? Or, will there be some dedducted fee? This company policy of yours somehow has a potent to merge with my next question about KYC, but let's see the answer up to this point

[conicoin]

~snip~

In our case this problem will be solved by the following scenario. As you have mentioned crypto-investors knew that the ICO has some investment from a real-world investor. This fact can be the reason to believe in the project, if the real-word investor has a “Big name", if it does not, crypto-investors are free to decide whether or not they want to have tokens of a company that does not wish to disclose information about it's performance and keep the option to return their funds if it's needed

So, to conclude, they're allowed to "cancel" their investment and fully withdraw their funds from the project? Or, will there be some dedducted fee? This company policy of yours somehow has a potent to merge with my next question about KYC, but let's see the answer up to this point

If the Investor decides to return their funds, they will be fully returned based on the initial investment.

[holydarkness]

~snip~

In our case this problem will be solved by the following scenario. As you have mentioned crypto-investors knew that the ICO has some investment from a real-world investor. This fact can be the reason to believe in the project, if the real-word investor has a “Big name", if it does not, crypto-investors are free to decide whether or not they want to have tokens of a company that does not wish to disclose information about it's performance and keep the option to return their funds if it's needed

So, to conclude, they're allowed to "cancel" their investment and fully withdraw their funds from the project? Or, will there be some dedducted fee? This company policy of yours somehow has a potent to merge with my next question about KYC, but let's see the answer up to this point

If the Investor decides to return their funds, they will be fully returned based on the initial investment.

Understood.

This leads us to the second question, which is from a case I also followed once. It was a blatant scam, IMO, but let's apply this to a legit case.

What's your policy for this case:

ABCoin is a project of medical health, and so on, and so on. After three months long of ICO duration from the four months they planned, they managed to achieve their softcap of 10,000,000 ABC. Somehow, plan changed and they have to comply to KYC, requiring all investors to do it.

Given your policy on such situation, where the investors are allowed to withdraw their funds in case they refuse KYC (which is initially not required), many investors took their funds back, and within the course of one month (which is  around the end of ICO) causing the initially collected 10,000,000 ABC to fall to 5,000,000 ABC, which is below the softcap.

Thus, their initially "ABCoin, soft cap reached!" claim now turned south, and some people would consider this as a scam as they revoked their initial "soft cap reached" status which convince them to take interest on the project. While, as we know, they didn't really planned such scenario to happen and scamming people were not their plan from the beginning.

[conicoin]

~snip~

In our case this problem will be solved by the following scenario. As you have mentioned crypto-investors knew that the ICO has some investment from a real-world investor. This fact can be the reason to believe in the project, if the real-word investor has a “Big name", if it does not, crypto-investors are free to decide whether or not they want to have tokens of a company that does not wish to disclose information about it's performance and keep the option to return their funds if it's needed

So, to conclude, they're allowed to "cancel" their investment and fully withdraw their funds from the project? Or, will there be some dedducted fee? This company policy of yours somehow has a potent to merge with my next question about KYC, but let's see the answer up to this point

If the Investor decides to return their funds, they will be fully returned based on the initial investment.

Understood.

This leads us to the second question, which is from a case I also followed once. It was a blatant scam, IMO, but let's apply this to a legit case.

What's your policy for this case:

ABCoin is a project of medical health, and so on, and so on. After three months long of ICO duration from the four months they planned, they managed to achieve their softcap of 10,000,000 ABC. Somehow, plan changed and they have to comply to KYC, requiring all investors to do it.

Given your policy on such situation, where the investors are allowed to withdraw their funds in case they refuse KYC (which is initially not required), many investors took their funds back, and within the course of one month (which is  around the end of ICO) causing the initially collected 10,000,000 ABC to fall to 5,000,000 ABC, which is below the softcap.

Thus, their initially "ABCoin, soft cap reached!" claim now turned south, and some people would consider this as a scam as they revoked their initial "soft cap reached" status which convince them to take interest on the project. While, as we know, they didn't really planned such scenario to happen and scamming people were not their plan from the beginning.

In our opinion this case is very unlikely to happen. But if this happens, the ICO team will have to consider the possibility of losing a part of investors after the implementation of KYC.

[tippytoes]

~snip~

In our case this problem will be solved by the following scenario. As you have mentioned crypto-investors knew that the ICO has some investment from a real-world investor. This fact can be the reason to believe in the project, if the real-word investor has a “Big name", if it does not, crypto-investors are free to decide whether or not they want to have tokens of a company that does not wish to disclose information about it's performance and keep the option to return their funds if it's needed

So, to conclude, they're allowed to "cancel" their investment and fully withdraw their funds from the project? Or, will there be some dedducted fee? This company policy of yours somehow has a potent to merge with my next question about KYC, but let's see the answer up to this point

If the Investor decides to return their funds, they will be fully returned based on the initial investment.

Understood.

This leads us to the second question, which is from a case I also followed once. It was a blatant scam, IMO, but let's apply this to a legit case.

What's your policy for this case:

ABCoin is a project of medical health, and so on, and so on. After three months long of ICO duration from the four months they planned, they managed to achieve their softcap of 10,000,000 ABC. Somehow, plan changed and they have to comply to KYC, requiring all investors to do it.

Given your policy on such situation, where the investors are allowed to withdraw their funds in case they refuse KYC (which is initially not required), many investors took their funds back, and within the course of one month (which is  around the end of ICO) causing the initially collected 10,000,000 ABC to fall to 5,000,000 ABC, which is below the softcap.

Thus, their initially "ABCoin, soft cap reached!" claim now turned south, and some people would consider this as a scam as they revoked their initial "soft cap reached" status which convince them to take interest on the project. While, as we know, they didn't really planned such scenario to happen and scamming people were not their plan from the beginning.

In our opinion this case is very unlikely to happen. But if this happens, the ICO team will have to consider the possibility of losing a part of investors after the implementation of KYC.

I got interested because this platform is really needed because a lot of fraudulent projects were launched last year. However, can you explain more details about the insurance period, where it begins and ends? Will it really help a small-time investor to avail your services? I've invested in ICO last year and though they cannot be considered a scam, yet their price was not the price I expected when I got the tokens. I waited and waited up until it becomes worthless to sell it now.

[holydarkness]

Understood.

This leads us to the second question, which is from a case I also followed once. It was a blatant scam, IMO, but let's apply this to a legit case.

What's your policy for this case:

ABCoin is a project of medical health, and so on, and so on. After three months long of ICO duration from the four months they planned, they managed to achieve their softcap of 10,000,000 ABC. Somehow, plan changed and they have to comply to KYC, requiring all investors to do it.

Given your policy on such situation, where the investors are allowed to withdraw their funds in case they refuse KYC (which is initially not required), many investors took their funds back, and within the course of one month (which is  around the end of ICO) causing the initially collected 10,000,000 ABC to fall to 5,000,000 ABC, which is below the softcap.

Thus, their initially "ABCoin, soft cap reached!" claim now turned south, and some people would consider this as a scam as they revoked their initial "soft cap reached" status which convince them to take interest on the project. While, as we know, they didn't really planned such scenario to happen and scamming people were not their plan from the beginning.

In our opinion this case is very unlikely to happen. But if this happens, the ICO team will have to consider the possibility of losing a part of investors after the implementation of KYC.

Unfortunately, that actually happens. Not sure how many projects had these kinds of end, but I was once followed a project that claimed to reach soft cap around the middle of their ICO, and by the end of it, they revise their announcement, saying that many investors promised to invest but never actually investing. And, as the statement of softcap was based on the said "agreement", the soft cap "failed" to be reached.

Up to this point, I am not sure if that unfortunate event really happened to them or that was just an excuse and they were planning to run scam from the beginning. Also didn't know if they ever returned the funds of investors who actually send their investment.

Anyway, back to your case, what'll be to the investors who decide to stay, then?

[conicoin]

~snip~

In our case this problem will be solved by the following scenario. As you have mentioned crypto-investors knew that the ICO has some investment from a real-world investor. This fact can be the reason to believe in the project, if the real-word investor has a “Big name", if it does not, crypto-investors are free to decide whether or not they want to have tokens of a company that does not wish to disclose information about it's performance and keep the option to return their funds if it's needed

So, to conclude, they're allowed to "cancel" their investment and fully withdraw their funds from the project? Or, will there be some dedducted fee? This company policy of yours somehow has a potent to merge with my next question about KYC, but let's see the answer up to this point

If the Investor decides to return their funds, they will be fully returned based on the initial investment.

Understood.

This leads us to the second question, which is from a case I also followed once. It was a blatant scam, IMO, but let's apply this to a legit case.

What's your policy for this case:

ABCoin is a project of medical health, and so on, and so on. After three months long of ICO duration from the four months they planned, they managed to achieve their softcap of 10,000,000 ABC. Somehow, plan changed and they have to comply to KYC, requiring all investors to do it.

Given your policy on such situation, where the investors are allowed to withdraw their funds in case they refuse KYC (which is initially not required), many investors took their funds back, and within the course of one month (which is  around the end of ICO) causing the initially collected 10,000,000 ABC to fall to 5,000,000 ABC, which is below the softcap.

Thus, their initially "ABCoin, soft cap reached!" claim now turned south, and some people would consider this as a scam as they revoked their initial "soft cap reached" status which convince them to take interest on the project. While, as we know, they didn't really planned such scenario to happen and scamming people were not their plan from the beginning.

In our opinion this case is very unlikely to happen. But if this happens, the ICO team will have to consider the possibility of losing a part of investors after the implementation of KYC.

I got interested because this platform is really needed because a lot of fraudulent projects were launched last year. However, can you explain more details about the insurance period, where it begins and ends? Will it really help a small-time investor to avail your services? I've invested in ICO last year and though they cannot be considered a scam, yet their price was not the price I expected when I got the tokens. I waited and waited up until it becomes worthless to sell it now.

Thank you for your question. The insurance period will be set for each project individually. However, we will adhere to setting this period to at least several months. This will give our Clients the opportunity to analyze the activities of the project team and monitor their commitments fulfillment.

The initial target audience of our platform are the small-time investors. You have presented the perfect circumstances to use our platform. If you had used our platform you would have had the option to return your funds throughout the insurance period by the same price as you had purchased them.

[conicoin]

Understood.

This leads us to the second question, which is from a case I also followed once. It was a blatant scam, IMO, but let's apply this to a legit case.

What's your policy for this case:

ABCoin is a project of medical health, and so on, and so on. After three months long of ICO duration from the four months they planned, they managed to achieve their softcap of 10,000,000 ABC. Somehow, plan changed and they have to comply to KYC, requiring all investors to do it.

Given your policy on such situation, where the investors are allowed to withdraw their funds in case they refuse KYC (which is initially not required), many investors took their funds back, and within the course of one month (which is  around the end of ICO) causing the initially collected 10,000,000 ABC to fall to 5,000,000 ABC, which is below the softcap.

Thus, their initially "ABCoin, soft cap reached!" claim now turned south, and some people would consider this as a scam as they revoked their initial "soft cap reached" status which convince them to take interest on the project. While, as we know, they didn't really planned such scenario to happen and scamming people were not their plan from the beginning.

In our opinion this case is very unlikely to happen. But if this happens, the ICO team will have to consider the possibility of losing a part of investors after the implementation of KYC.

Unfortunately, that actually happens. Not sure how many projects had these kinds of end, but I was once followed a project that claimed to reach soft cap around the middle of their ICO, and by the end of it, they revise their announcement, saying that many investors promised to invest but never actually investing. And, as the statement of softcap was based on the said "agreement", the soft cap "failed" to be reached.

Up to this point, I am not sure if that unfortunate event really happened to them or that was just an excuse and they were planning to run scam from the beginning. Also didn't know if they ever returned the funds of investors who actually send their investment.

Anyway, back to your case, what'll be to the investors who decide to stay, then?

As you stated the KYC procedure to be obligatory, so investors who decide to stay will have go through it. If necessary we can also assist in organizing this process through our platform.