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April 02, 2014, 04:05:00 PM
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I contacted Ukyo and asked him about the shares. The Infos in Brackets () are from ukyo directly. I checked the prices of the rest to find out if there is anything worthy.

I dont see a value in those shares at the moment. Please correct my findings.

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Sharename Amount Shares Shareprice Sum Status
ActiveMining 232175 0,00000000 0,00000000 Dont exist anymore. Ken, the owner of ActM, stole practically those shares to get Coins back ukyo owed to him.
ADDICTION 3927 0,00000000 0,00000000 Traded on bitfunder. Arent traded anymore. And price was much lower in november already.
BitPride 85476 0,00000000 0,00000000 (closed/sold(?)) No trades since months.
BTCINVEST 96 0,00000000 0,00000000 Trade Fortress missing, some BTC from Kate/ciphermine holdings
btcQuick 2915576 0,00000000 0,00000000 (values will be payed back to shareholders in 6-12 months time Share value extremely overpriced.) Project seems to be dead so no value.
CRYPTO.LTC 2 0,00000000 0,00000000 Traded on bitfunder. Arent traded anymore.
DISCOVERY 10 0,00000000 0,00000000 Not traded.
FIAT.AUD 1 0,00000000 0,00000000 Traded on bitfunder. Arent traded anymore.
FIAT.USD 27 0,00000000 0,00000000 Traded on bitfunder. Arent traded anymore.
Graet.Loan 979 0,00000000 0,00000000 (when graet gets back on track) So not tradeable since Graet is involved in WeexChange.
Kenilworth 25 0,00000000 0,00000000 Not traded since months. And it seems the last offer to sell wasnt taken.
LabRatMining 15 0,00000000 0,00000000 Not traded since months. And it seems the last offer to sell wasnt taken.
NEOBEE 116667 0,00000000 0,00000000 (Not trading and in tormoil) Bankrupt it seems.
RentalStarter 9505 0,00000000 0,00000000 It seems it can be bought but not sold? My Havelockaccount is locked for some reason.
SatoshiPoker 4000000 0,00000000 0,00000000 (Never traded, not sure where the 8000 shre came from. its anearly defunct site thats nothing but a money trap)
TU.SILVER 11 0,00000000 0,00000000 Not traded since months.
Ukyo.Loan 7695 0,00000000 0,00000000 Worthless at the moment.

Total Sum 0,00000000
Asfar as i understand Ukyo has liquadated at least some of the holdings he had back when bitfunder closed, like Addiction for example, a later list in that share dident have ukyo's adress as one that held shares any longer, what price he got for the shares & when he sold them and how much in dividend he got before he sold them is harder to say.

It would also be hard to believe that ukyo hasen't sold out at least some if not all of his shares in neobee.

Satoushipoker 80 btc per % in the company or 0,00008000 per share was the price the angel investors payed and ukyo had 4 000 000 of satoushi pokers shares on bitfunder so theres 0,00008000*4 000 000 = 320 btc he invested there and he ownes 4% of satoushipoker, there is 100 million shares in total in satoushipoker.
Satouchipoker sold a few % of the company to angel investors and it seems like ukyo was one of them who bought shares accourding to bitfunders assetlist, they also had a short episode at cryptostocks where they tried to sell overprised shares at 0.0008 btc per share, 10 times as much as ukyo and the other angel investors payed for there shares before they bought back outstanding shares on cryptostocks. I don't believe they could possibly have burned all btc they got for the shares they sold to angel investors that would have been very irresponsible of them.

The Activemining shares there ukyo will most likely have the right to at least what ken sold ukyo's shares for if not more but that is probably up to the courts to sort out.

Graet loan should have some value even if it can be hard to realise them at the moment, think i read somewhere graet had around 1000 btc worth of stocks before btct-co announced it's wind down and that it was down to 400 btc when it was at it's worst point on btct-co, someone also mentioned him having 200k usd assets outside of the bitcoin sector so technically he could very well have bought up something like 1000-1800 btc with a well placed buyorders at btc-e when the btc crashed in price there a while ago for example.

btcQuick should also have some assets, it would be unrealistic that the company should have lost there 3 200 btc, that someone said in another thread was the amount invested in them, but like mentioned before 6-12 months was the timeframe ascension gave before  for the final result there.

Btcinvest is a relatively small holding ukyo have there but tradefortress has suddenly showed up again today after no posts for almost 4 months so he can probably update what the situation is there.

Ukyo loan does of course not have any value for ukyo except for the fact that he don't have to pay dividend to himself on those shares.

The rest of the holdings is so small so it dosent matter much for the total what has happened to them.

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April 02, 2014, 06:12:45 PM
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The thing is that even if some of the shares theoretically might have value... can they be sold? Neobee would have been something... if they didnt get into problems and maybe are bankrupt.

Is known what happened to the CEO of Neobee? He vanished they say. I wonder if some thugs catched him, got the bitcoins out of him and... hes gone. Such things could be possible at current bitcoin prices.
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April 03, 2014, 12:47:30 AM
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Is known what happened to the CEO of Neobee? He vanished they say. I wonder if some thugs catched him, got the bitcoins out of him and... hes gone. Such things could be possible at current bitcoin prices.
He posted in the NeoBee thread today:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg6030319#msg6030319
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April 03, 2014, 04:26:32 AM
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Thanks Ukyo for bringing down Neo&Bee!
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April 03, 2014, 07:25:37 AM
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Thanks Ukyo for bringing down Neo&Bee!

That is not completely Ukyo's fault. Thank their management.

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April 03, 2014, 10:20:14 AM
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Thanks Ukyo for bringing down Neo&Bee!
No, Nee&Bee's problem is that cryptocyprus decided that if he backed Ukyo and made it look like they were going to be the Weex saviours, Neo&Bee would make money out of that.
That failed of course Tongue

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April 03, 2014, 05:54:56 PM
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I feel like my quote is a bit out of place since most quotes seem to be in support if neobee.

Actually all the quotes seem unrelated/irrelevant. It seems you are trying to suggest "the other voices" are superior investonomers but it makes little sense.
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April 03, 2014, 06:03:10 PM
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Not to bash but it's easy to cherry-pick right-sounding quotes after the facts.

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April 03, 2014, 06:24:28 PM
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Not to bash but it's easy to cherry-pick right-sounding quotes after the facts.
I encourage anyone to read the first pages of this thread and others. That's how I build my ignore list.

You must have TAT on ignore then right?

This "financial expert" is the only reason many trusted danny to begin with.
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April 03, 2014, 09:11:14 PM
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Actually it looks like Danny has been pulled into the speculated SEC investigation.

There is not much credence to this idea, please give up on it.

As I said a bunch of times, the SEC does not investigate companies and then order them not to tell anyone about it.  That is illegal and not the way they work. The SEC does not investigate companies and allow them to collect deposits knowing that they will not be able to return the deposits.

If there was an investigation,  Jon Montrol or Danny would be able to say so.   The SEC does not give secret gag orders AFAIK (please correct me if anyone knows otherwise).  For the 10th time, the only time you will get investigated and given a secret gag order is if : 1) you are dealing with the CIA or NSA or what have you, and national security is an issue, which is obv's not the case here    2) your services have been confiscated and the FBI is doing a sting operation (obv's not the case here as well).

SEC investigations:
http://www.sec.gov/News/Article/Detail/Article/1356125787012

And for the 10th time again, the very most likely reason why Jon Montroll 'can't saying anything' is because he is protecting his own physical and legal ass.

His strategy worked pretty well.  Most people where strung around a few months (I tried my best), and 99% haven't done anything about having their money stolen. Some slower people maybe even still expecting him to pull through now and pay everyone back with his magic 5000 bitcoins, 4 months later.

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April 03, 2014, 09:42:35 PM
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Is it possible for two people, unconnected by blood or other bodily fluids, to come up with identical gobbldygook?

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That's the final straw for me. Well done crumbs, destruction won. I'm scrambling my password.
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The zumzero account password is about to be scrambled and made unretrievable.  
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*Relevant because this guy is the universal shill, "Trust Danny" for this one & "Trust Ken" for Active Mining.

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April 03, 2014, 09:52:13 PM
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Ukyo was quite active on IRC earlier today. I have tried to separate the two conversations that was going on at the same time.

NeoBee
Code: (#bitfunder)
<[KS]__> Ukyo: N&B not directly your fault (Danny clearly overspent - typical startup mistake), but the delays in resolving the WeEx issue haven't helped. And still aren't. Say, you'd find his BTC about now, that would make a difference for a bunch of people. No pressure :p
...
<Ukyo> i hear there is a lot more to all this than whats been made public so far
<Ukyo> well see what comes out soon enough i think
...
<roamfree> Ukyo, you mean more to N&B debacle?
<Ukyo> ya
<Ukyo> talked a bit with the guys who worked there
<roamfree> nothing good eh?
...
<Ukyo> doesnt sound like it at all

Weex
Code: (#bitfunder)
<[KS]__> Ukyo: N&B not directly your fault (Danny clearly overspent - typical startup mistake), but the delays in resolving the WeEx issue haven't helped. And still aren't. Say, you'd find his BTC about now, that would make a difference for a bunch of people. No pressure :p
...
<Ukyo> [KS]__: the pressures there, dont worry. theres still hope. :)
<Ukyo> besides, i'm still here if thats any consultation. granted, if i were anyone else, i would prefer the btc over me. :P
<Kushedout> So will we be getting our BTC this year?
<Ukyo> I really hope so
<Ukyo> if i knew/had control over a time frame, i would promptly give one
<Ukyo> even if it was a shitty one
...
<Kushedout> I honestly haven’t been following this issue closely, I am just hoping this are being worked on in the background and I will see my BTC sooner or later. Yes, you being here still gives hope. And I am sorry if this has been asked before.  Is the reason for the hold up a technical one or a legal one?
...
<Ukyo> you could say, from a very narrow point of view, its a legal issue
<Ukyo> mpretty much all of the technical issues have been resolved
<Ukyo> there is hope, the problem is that its out of my hands atm.
<Ukyo> nothing i could possibly do can make anything happen any quicker
<Kushedout> So, if you “legally” could, you would be able to distribute everyone’s BTC back, today?
<Ukyo> if i had access and legally could of course i would
<Ukyo> no reason to hold ppls btc
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April 03, 2014, 09:55:53 PM
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Ukyo was quite active on IRC earlier today. I have tried to separate the two conversations that was going on at the same time.

NeoBee
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<[KS]__> Ukyo: N&B not directly your fault (Danny clearly overspent - typical startup mistake), but the delays in resolving the WeEx issue haven't helped. And still aren't. Say, you'd find his BTC about now, that would make a difference for a bunch of people. No pressure :p
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<Ukyo> i hear there is a lot more to all this than whats been made public so far
<Ukyo> well see what comes out soon enough i think
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<roamfree> Ukyo, you mean more to N&B debacle?
<Ukyo> ya
<Ukyo> talked a bit with the guys who worked there
<roamfree> nothing good eh?
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<Ukyo> doesnt sound like it at all

Weex
Code: (#bitfunder)
<[KS]__> Ukyo: N&B not directly your fault (Danny clearly overspent - typical startup mistake), but the delays in resolving the WeEx issue haven't helped. And still aren't. Say, you'd find his BTC about now, that would make a difference for a bunch of people. No pressure :p
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<Ukyo> [KS]__: the pressures there, dont worry. theres still hope. :)
<Ukyo> besides, i'm still here if thats any consultation. granted, if i were anyone else, i would prefer the btc over me. :P
<Kushedout> So will we be getting our BTC this year?
<Ukyo> I really hope so
<Ukyo> if i knew/had control over a time frame, i would promptly give one
<Ukyo> even if it was a shitty one
...
<Kushedout> I honestly haven’t been following this issue closely, I am just hoping this are being worked on in the background and I will see my BTC sooner or later. Yes, you being here still gives hope. And I am sorry if this has been asked before.  Is the reason for the hold up a technical one or a legal one?
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<Ukyo> you could say, from a very narrow point of view, its a legal issue
<Ukyo> mpretty much all of the technical issues have been resolved
<Ukyo> there is hope, the problem is that its out of my hands atm.
<Ukyo> nothing i could possibly do can make anything happen any quicker
<Kushedout> So, if you “legally” could, you would be able to distribute everyone’s BTC back, today?
<Ukyo> if i had access and legally could of course i would
<Ukyo> no reason to hold ppls btc

This is good to hear, I suppose. Anything from Ukyo is good to hear. By not having "access", does it mean the govt put a freeze on his coins, or does it mean they were stolen/spent/invested. I've always assumed the latter and that we will be "paid back" when his investments return some kind of profit, which may be never.
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4-while fixing the bug with bitcoind they discovered a flaw in the protocol which would crash bitcoin and its derivates instantly to Zero.


If that were the case he could still alarm Gavin and the dev team and pay out the bitcoins to his customers. This idea makes no sense.
Please ignore these comments about the bitcoin protocol.
They are purely rubbish.

I agree it is complete speculation but I cant think of a single other case where this kind of secrecy would be acceptable
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Not sure why that quote is there unless it's not related to my comment Smiley
What I said is correct.

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April 03, 2014, 11:00:44 PM
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Yes, it's correct, but there were plenty of morons believing the "it's a bitcoin bug" explanation.

As I remember it this idea was thrown around for a day or two at most. Not many people believed it.

Speculation =/= plenty of believers

But then again you don't care. You're too busy patting yourself on the back because you "knew" danny was incompetent.
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April 04, 2014, 01:44:45 AM
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Quick update for all UKYO's loan holders or We exchange Users.

I am still negotiating the hourly rate with my lawyer. but below are some information for you if you want to join to my lawsuit against Ukyo. I still think that lawsuit against UKYO is still the only hope you can have a chance to know what going on there and received possible pay back from Ukyo .

1: people who joint my lawsuit will need to send some deposit to the lawyer. I will gives you his bank account detail, and also you can contact him to find out what happening there. before you send the money to the lawyer ,I will gives you all his personal detail and contact detail. 

2: all cost related to against Ukyo is calculate based on the percentage of how much UKYO owes you towards total liability that against Ukyo in this lawsuit case.
For example, if Ukyo owes me 100 BTC , and there are 1000 total liability in this lawsuit is against to UKYO. then I will respond for 10% of the total cost. of course, that I also will received 10% from what UKYO pays in the future.

3: all cost are calculate in USD , so for people who willing to join this case, you have to prepare some USD first.

4: if not convenience for you   to send USD directly to the Lawyer, it also possible you can send me BTC, then I will based on current conversion rate and help you to send the USD to the Lawyer. (if you trust me, but I do prefer that you send directly to the lawyer).

5: The final hourly rate still being negotiating , so is only receiving people who willing to join me at this moment by PM or Email to Mistake868@hotmail.com( once it been confirm and I will let you know the final rate, and you make your choice that either to join or not.)

6: Last call to joint this lawsuit is 20.04.2014, and also you will need to get you money to the Lawyers account before 30.04.2014. after that date , that Lawyer will star his work, so it is no reason to bothering him to further modify the agreement between us and him.


PS: If there are any unclear information that please do ask me, and however  forgive my poor English.

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Un-edited IRC conversation.

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<Ukyo> Anyone awake?
<Syloq> no
<Ukyo> good
<Syloq> sup?
<Ukyo> sigh. ppl who dont pay attention to things are a good reason why i avoid the forums.  guy writes 'thanks ukyo for bringing down neobee' after danny clearly wrote that he personally covered the damages
<Graet> :/
<Ukyo> if any loan holders wake up. say something
<QG> something
<QG> reboot... brb... OMG!!! reboot!! 10days 20hours up time...
<[KS]__> Ukyo: N&B not directly your fault (Danny clearly overspent - typical startup mistake), but the delays in resolving the WeEx issue haven't helped. And still aren't. Say, you'd find his BTC about now, that would make a difference for a bunch of people. No pressure :p
<Rennex> resolving? lol
<jurov> going to buy a new spiffy building is typical startup mistake? lol
<Syloq> You have to spend money to lose money.
<Ukyo> i hear there is a lot more to all this than whats been made public so far
<Ukyo> well see what comes out soon enough i think
<Ukyo> [KS]__: the pressures there, dont worry. theres still hope. :)
<Ukyo> besides, i'm still here if thats any consultation. granted, if i were anyone else, i would prefer the btc over me. :P
<Kushedout> So will we be getting our BTC this year?
<Ukyo> I really hope so
<Ukyo> if i knew/had control over a time frame, i would promptly give one
<Ukyo> even if it was a shitty one
<Syloq> 2 weeks™
<roamfree> Ukyo, you mean more to N&B debacle?
<Ukyo> ya
<Ukyo> talked a bit with the guys who worked there
<roamfree> nothing good eh?
<Kushedout> I honestly haven’t been following this issue closely, I am just hoping this are being worked on in the background and I will see my BTC sooner or later. Yes, you being here still gives hope. And I am sorry if this has been asked before.  Is the reason for the hold up a technical one or a legal one?
<Ukyo> doesnt sound like it at all
<Kushedout> things*
<Ukyo> you could say, from a very narrow point of view, its a legal issue
<Ukyo> mpretty much all of the technical issues have been resolved
<Ukyo> there is hope, the problem is that its out of my hands atm.
<Ukyo> nothing i could possibly do can make anything happen any quicker
<Kushedout> So, if you “legally” could, you would be able to distribute everyone’s BTC back, today?
<Ukyo> if i had access and legally could of course i would
<Ukyo> no reason to hold ppls btc
<Ukyo> trust me, i dont liek the death threats either
<Ukyo> but running away from the situation wont help anyone
<Kushedout> I see. Thanks for that information.
<Ukyo> if you didnt know, about 6% was made available again
<Ukyo> at the claim site
<Syloq> "access" seems like a loaded word there..
<Kushedout> claim site?
<nsa_> is the claim portal open again? Heard some people saying they couldn't withdraw their ~6%
<Ukyo> that was a temp issue
<Kushedout> Link please?
<nsa_> http://weexclaims.weexchange.co/
<QG> are there funds to claim atm?
<Ukyo> thanks nsa_
<Ukyo> qg: 6% of what was stuck
<QG> oh, i may as well try again
<Kushedout> So if I didn’t claim the 6% last time, would it accumulate to 12% now?
<nsa_> no
<Kushedout> That’s unfortunate. Did it go back to my original balance?
<Syloq> Ukyo; what about your loan, is that coming closer to being paid back?
<nsa_> Kushedout: no, we have always only been able to withdraw 6.175%. There is no difference between doing it back in December and doing it now
<Kushedout> I see. Thanks for the clarification, just got my 6% back :)
<Kushedout> Drinks are on me fellas
<QG> haha cool, it worked :) thanks Ukyo
<Ukyo> Syloq: getting closer to starting. loan claim portal in testing atm
<Syloq> nifty
<[KS]__> Jurov: He clearly did not pay attention to the burn rate -> fail.
<jurov> buying buildings is not about burn rate, that's megalomania
<jurov> or how to call that
<[KS]__> jurov: AND megalomania. Well, there's residual value in bricks. (maybe move this to #neobee?)
<Graet> its a tiny channel
<jurov> not much to discuss here and i'm going afk anyway
<[KS]__> jurov: k

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April 04, 2014, 06:22:27 PM
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Hello everyone.

If you have Ukyo.Loan shares, you can claim them at https://loan.weexchange.co/claim
There is also a discussion board there where updates will be posted.

Thank you for your continued patience,
Ukyo
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April 04, 2014, 08:02:34 PM
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Confirming that today I was finally able to get 6.175% of my WeExchange deposit.

Does not change my opinion that the available evidence leads to the conclusion that this is most likely a scam.

Anyone with a campaign ad in their signature -- for an organization with which they are not otherwise affiliated -- is automatically deducted credibility points.

I've been convicted of heresy. Convicted by a mere known extortionist. Read my Trust for details.
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April 04, 2014, 10:56:39 PM
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Confirming that today I was finally able to get 6.175% of my WeExchange deposit.

Does not change my opinion that the available evidence leads to the conclusion that this is most likely a scam.
The original first 6.175% from months ago.
Unfortunately, not anything new.

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