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December 19, 2013, 09:28:21 PM
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i provide the same advice to the loan takers that I provided to my friend, when he inquired about taking a loan to buy btc:

"you're an idiot"

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December 20, 2013, 01:43:18 AM
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Comments noted. But I'm going to do what you just described. Mine, hold the coins, sell for profit.

I'm aiming at one particular alt-coin, because I know who created it, and he's pouring a few million into it as a business. So I'm getting in while the difficulty is very low.

Worst case scenario, I can sell the GPUs and motherboards at the price I bought them. Lots of 3D gamers in my area.

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December 20, 2013, 04:55:22 AM
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I admit to buying in 2011 with credit cards averaging price around $10/BTC. I had to pay high interest rates for two years before I sold enough to pay off the debt, but by then I only had to sell about 5% of my stack. Now I have a nice, free pile of bitcoin, even considering that I lost half through exchange closures, hacks, etc. I think This is actually a dumb strategy, but I saw bitcoin as my Pearl of Great Price. I believe in the code, the economics behind it, and the principles it represents. A chance, even a chance to do something good and actually profit from it was worth betting the farm. When you swing for the fences, you strike out more often, but you also get more home runs. It totally depends on your risk tolerance. If your going to invest borrowed money, be prepared to risk your credit rating and any collateral you put up unless the amount is so small you can pay it off even if you lose it all.

Having said that, it's no dumber than buying the most expensive house you can afford with a mortgage. That's a leveraged bet too- and the risk/reward ratio is even higher.

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February 16, 2014, 08:12:42 AM
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Should the OP keep holding? I'm starting to wonder if we're going to have a recovery or if we'll keep dropping for the rest of the year. Right now might be the time to take out the loan to buy bitcoin, but i'm still not sure.

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February 16, 2014, 08:31:06 AM
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I'm thinking of getting a loan to buy more bitcoin, as I'm guessing we'll reach $10K in a few months it can be a good deal to lend at a bank against 5% anual rate

Did anyone do this before? Would like some experience advice

The 10k was a little bit over the top?  i hope that wasn't the reason for the 100k loan but you prop alrdy spended that money.

You holding right?
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February 16, 2014, 08:48:12 AM
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I'm thinking of getting a loan to buy more bitcoin, as I'm guessing we'll reach $10K in a few months it can be a good deal to lend at a bank against 5% anual rate

Did anyone do this before? Would like some experience advice

There have been many people in here asking about the same thing and I think it's a recipe for disaster and would not recommend it. Invest what you can afford to lose, if you become too greedy it could very well come back and bite you in the ass (and karma says it will). You will live in regret for the rest of your life. Don't do it, if bitcoin succeeds a few bitcoins will be enough to buy a house or two.

Let's say someone took a loan of $100k in september and put it into Bitcoin, he would have made about $900k minus interest in just less than 2 months. There's no going wrong here.

If I take a loan now of $100k and put it into Bitcoin, it might be worth 10x in just a few months. Worst case scenario it will bubble to $9k and back to $1k, then I would have only lost the interest on the loan. It's a winner bet to become a millionaire from just one simple move at the moment, with no losing edge in sight.

This dude is the official victim of the bitcoin mania. Thank God the forum is archived. It will be a good basis for studying market delusions.



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February 16, 2014, 08:56:33 AM
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Worst case scenario it will bubble to $9k and back to $1k, then I would have only lost the interest on the loan.


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February 21, 2014, 12:00:59 AM
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Why do posts like this never spring up at times like these? This is when you should cash in the 401k and take the second mortgage on the house, not during a prolonged rally!

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February 21, 2014, 02:22:23 AM
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I actually did this in the sense that I ended up putting all my expenses on my credit card and I used all my cash on hand to buy bitcoins. Bought at $11-$70 and I have never looked back. I paid off all my credit cards and I made a profit. I have btc and I am up fiat. Just be aware that this is not the brightest idea. Having said that, you are looking at massive gains if you win on your bet. I would do it again.

Look at my post history, I am not talking out of my ass. I wanted to do even more than you.

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April 08, 2014, 12:22:27 AM
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Does anyone know what happened to OP? Did he take that loan or not?
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April 08, 2014, 12:30:41 AM
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Does anyone know what happened to OP? Did he take that loan or not?

Maybe he forgot to pay up D:
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April 08, 2014, 12:32:10 AM
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No one is that retarded. These type of posts are what sells Bitcoin when there are numerous alternatives for a safe p2p decentralized crypto currency. Software and technology always evolve. There is a competitor for all products. But newbies are getting much smarter now, so propaganda is much less effective these days.


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April 08, 2014, 12:51:29 AM
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he bought bitcoin with his loan and then disappeared. he'll probably show up again this summer when bitcoin reaches $5,000 and he'll make a fortune, despite buying at the top of the last rally.

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April 08, 2014, 01:17:52 AM
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I took a loan too. Small family loan that can be paid back in less than a year if it all flops, but nonetheless. Average buyin price somewhere in the 600s. Hoping it stays low a few months longer so I can get more.

There is no bubble.
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April 08, 2014, 03:23:19 AM
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Ok, I got a 24 month and a 36 month loan. I will HODL as long as it takes, and then pre-terminate the loan when the price has gone up a few times. In the mean time, I can pay the monthly dues of the loan either from my own pocket, or cashing out part of the BTC that was bought.

I also got my first two GPU miners, one is completely "free" (paid for by older bitcoin investments) and the second one is from another loan, that one doesn't look too good with the current price of BTC and alts.

Then I have a bunch of scrypt ASICs and they are already in the country, I just need to connect them to an old laptop. That one is going to ROI, and it was paid for by a friend so it's almost free (he'll pay for my electricity as well, I'm just hosting it.)

I'm set to get yet another loan some time in the next few weeks.

Interesting times.

This is much slower than dice, but ... maybe I should just play dice, at least I'll know the result very soon.

On the other hand, I just need to double my fiat, from 400 USD to 800 USD and all my loans will be paid for. I don't think BTC will go lower than 300 in the next few months, and it's possible it will go back to 800 or higher.

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April 08, 2014, 04:06:30 AM
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I don't understand why it's crazy to take a loan to buy bitcoins, it's only crazy if you have unrealistic expectations of bitcoins value going up.  The nature of bitcoin is that its value can only go up, because of its fixed supply and harder to come by as time goes. The nature of fiat is that its value will go down, because of its unlimited supply and inflation. Simply put, if you buy $1000 worth of bitcoins now, that $1000 bitcoins are gonna worth more than $1000 in the future where as the same $1000 worth of fiat money now is gonna worth less in the future.
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April 08, 2014, 02:08:29 PM
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I don't understand why it's crazy to take a loan to buy bitcoins, it's only crazy if you have unrealistic expectations of bitcoins value going up.  The nature of bitcoin is that its value can only go up, because of its fixed supply and harder to come by as time goes. The nature of fiat is that its value will go down, because of its unlimited supply and inflation. Simply put, if you buy $1000 worth of bitcoins now, that $1000 bitcoins are gonna worth more than $1000 in the future where as the same $1000 worth of fiat money now is gonna worth less in the future.
Your statement is logical if your premises are true. But I don't think they are. Bitcoin value is not a one way street. It can and does drop in value. And it may stay down for a year or more. It is still in beta and a true fatal flaw could be discovered anytime.  Bitcoin should still be considered a very risky thing to invest in. It was never designed to be an investment and does not behave like one.
The only thing that is sure about the deal the OP has contracted for is that he now owes the bank the money he borrowed AND the interest AND the late fees if he runs into a cash flow problem. The bank is going to make a profit no matter what. They are the smart money here.
Bottom line is that the op now owns far less than he borrowed. In order to make payments he must be selling the coins he bought for a fraction of what he paid. When he is out of coins he may be in serious debt. Next comes his stuff, his car, his house. 

The way to have done this is to buy tiny amounts you can afford to lose over a long time horizon. If he had done that he would have less coins, but he would have gotten them at a better price. Most importantly is that he would have coins, not debt.

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April 08, 2014, 02:16:37 PM
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I'm thinking of getting a loan to buy more bitcoin, as I'm guessing we'll reach $10K in a few months it can be a good deal to lend at a bank against 5% anual rate

Did anyone do this before? Would like some experience advice


wow, nice to see some highly optimistic (slightly delusional) people around.. where were you guys?


edit-- I just realized the date of OP's post... lol...




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April 08, 2014, 07:49:07 PM
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I'm thinking of getting a loan to buy more bitcoin, as I'm guessing we'll reach $10K in a few months it can be a good deal to lend at a bank against 5% anual rate

Did anyone do this before? Would like some experience advice

There have been many people in here asking about the same thing and I think it's a recipe for disaster and would not recommend it. Invest what you can afford to lose, if you become too greedy it could very well come back and bite you in the ass (and karma says it will). You will live in regret for the rest of your life. Don't do it, if bitcoin succeeds a few bitcoins will be enough to buy a house or two.

Let's say someone took a loan of $100k in september and put it into Bitcoin, he would have made about $900k minus interest in just less than 2 months. There's no going wrong here.

If I take a loan now of $100k and put it into Bitcoin, it might be worth 10x in just a few months. Worst case scenario it will bubble to $9k and back to $1k, then I would have only lost the interest on the loan. It's a winner bet to become a millionaire from just one simple move at the moment, with no losing edge in sight.

So the worst case scenario you see is that BTC goes to $9000, then falls back to $1000?  You see absolutely no other scenario worse than that???
I'm holding my bitcoins, but having such blind faith in your predictive abilities is dangerous.

Bitcoin doesn't go down in price over longterm, this is a fact. With this fact I can deduce that it will never go longterm below $1000 anymore. It's simple really.

Define longterm.
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April 08, 2014, 08:35:47 PM
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I'm thinking of getting a loan to buy more bitcoin, as I'm guessing we'll reach $10K in a few months it can be a good deal to lend at a bank against 5% anual rate

Did anyone do this before? Would like some experience advice

There have been many people in here asking about the same thing and I think it's a recipe for disaster and would not recommend it. Invest what you can afford to lose, if you become too greedy it could very well come back and bite you in the ass (and karma says it will). You will live in regret for the rest of your life. Don't do it, if bitcoin succeeds a few bitcoins will be enough to buy a house or two.

Let's say someone took a loan of $100k in september and put it into Bitcoin, he would have made about $900k minus interest in just less than 2 months. There's no going wrong here.

If I take a loan now of $100k and put it into Bitcoin, it might be worth 10x in just a few months. Worst case scenario it will bubble to $9k and back to $1k, then I would have only lost the interest on the loan. It's a winner bet to become a millionaire from just one simple move at the moment, with no losing edge in sight.

So the worst case scenario you see is that BTC goes to $9000, then falls back to $1000?  You see absolutely no other scenario worse than that???
I'm holding my bitcoins, but having such blind faith in your predictive abilities is dangerous.

Bitcoin doesn't go down in price over longterm, this is a fact. With this fact I can deduce that it will never go longterm below $1000 anymore. It's simple really.

Define longterm.
How about a year ago. Really, the price history is no secret.

There is no bubble.
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