Bitmain launches the Z9 Equihash miner

[cryptotore]

Yeah my opinion doesnt matter because it differs from yours, got it.

And that's your comeback?  Really?

I sure didn't say your opinion didn't matter.  Apparently, you must think so.

I'm simply saying, "YOU'RE WRONG."

We clearly cant communicate with eachother, I'm out

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[dmwardjr]

Yeah my opinion doesnt matter because it differs from yours, got it.

And that's your comeback?  Really?

I sure didn't say your opinion didn't matter.  Apparently, you must think so.

I'm simply saying, "YOU'RE WRONG."

We clearly cant communicate with eachother, I'm out

Bye!

Truth is, you don't want to communicate.  You only want to "shill."

I show you PROG PoW and you don't even make a comment about it.  Instead, you want to act like a smart-ass sharing Michael Jackson videos instead of even pondering the possibility I might be right about BITMAIN's antics or sharing solutions to Centralized Mining like PROG PoW.

[cryptotore]

Yeah my opinion doesnt matter because it differs from yours, got it.

And that's your comeback?  Really?

I sure didn't say your opinion didn't matter.  Apparently, you must think so.

I'm simply saying, "YOU'RE WRONG."

We clearly cant communicate with eachother, I'm out

Bye!

Truth is, you don't want to communicate.  You only want to "shill."

I show you PROG PoW and you don't even make a comment about it.  Instead, you want to act like a smart-ass sharing Michael Jackson videos instead of solutions to Centralized Mining like PROG PoW.

Making up stuff again are we?

[dmwardjr]

Making up stuff again are we?

"Bitmain's Pre-Mining Policy is a Gold Mine"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNg5yxlvvng

After watching that video, you'll see what I mean by BITMAIN mining [so-called "testing"] Z9 mini's before shipping them off to those who purchased for August/September delivery.  However, I'm smart enough to do the math to KNOW BETTER.  The hash rate required for that kind of revenue would have to be exponential.  The only answer for that amount of hash rate is a Z9 (not mini) mining at 30k to 40k sol's each.  They are selling crumbs (Z9 mini) to useful idiots blinded by their own greed and believing the BITMAIN ILLUSION.

I can show even more research I've done but why should I?  You're not interested...  You apparently don't want to communicate.

Still no mention of PROG PoW?  

Ignoring it?  

You have Z9 or Z9 mini?  

If so, concerned about your investment getting bricked?  

Don't want to SEE potential writing on the wall for Z9 or Z9 mini?

[cryptotore]

Making up stuff again are we?

"Bitmain's Pre-Mining Policy is a Gold Mine"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNg5yxlvvng

After watching that video, you'll see what I mean by BITMAIN mining [so-called "testing"] Z9 mini's before shipping them off to those who purchased for August/September delivery.  However, I'm smart enough to do the math to KNOW BETTER.  The hash rate required for that kind of revenue would have to be exponential.  The only answer for that amount of hash rate is a Z9 (not mini) mining at 30k to 40k sol's each.  They are selling crumbs (Z9 mini) to useful idiots blinded by their own greed and believing the BITMAIN ILLUSION.

I can show even more research I've done but why should I?  You're not interested...  You apparently don't want to communicate.

Still no mention of PROG PoW?  

Ignoring it?  

You have Z9 or Z9 mini?  

If so, concerned about your investment getting bricked?  

Don't want to SEE potential writing on the wall for Z9 or Z9 mini?

I was referring to the michael jackson stuff. I havent had the time to read up on PROG PoW yet.
I have ordered Z9 mini's, and Im deep in GPUs, stop judging.

[dmwardjr]

I was referring to the michael jackson stuff. I havent had the time to read up on PROG PoW yet.
I have ordered Z9 mini's, and Im deep in GPUs, stop judging.

I "ASKED" questions...  Did I say you did?

Thanks for answering though.  Appreciate your honesty.

[cryptotore]

Instead, you want to act like a smart-ass sharing Michael Jackson videos

[dmwardjr]

Instead, you want to act like a smart-ass sharing Michael Jackson videos

And?  Is this quote of me your way of saying your done with this conversation?

You make a statement as "FACT" that no algorithm can be truly ASIC/FPGA resistant.  I showed you there is proof to make an algorithm [Not resistant] to ASIC's and FPGA's BUT put them on an even keel with GPU's.  You even linked a video titled, "Can't Win" after making a statement that's NOT FACT.  What's the purpose behind such a video?  If it was to say, "There's no hope."  I've provided support there is hope.  In fact, there's a solution.  Probably several solutions.  If you linked the video for the purpose of rubbing in what you THOUGHT was a winning argument, then you're just as guilty of not "communicating" but simply shilling [With sarcasm; whether ignorantly or knowingly] for BITMAIN.

You say you have GPU's.  If so, one would think you would STAND against BITMAIN's efforts to have CENTRALIZED control of yet ANOTHER PoW algorithm.  Which, in turn, would give them another coin(s) to have a Composite position on coin(s) that do not fork away from ASIC's.  Translation:  They will have control of mining AND speculation (trading) of another coin(s), such as ZEC and KOMODO.

I really wish miners would take the time to do research and UNDERSTAND the opportunity DECENTRALIZED crypto currencies with DECENTRALIZED mining has given us to potentially change the world in a POSITIVE way to give WE THE PEOPLE our freedoms back.  That freedom is threatened when we have the number one manufacturer of ASIC's actively working to gain majority control of mining all major Proof of Work algorithms.  Yes, there's also an issue with centralized pools but that's another subject for another thread.

I was in the dark for the first couple of years in my mining endeavors.  I had to learn the truth the hard way.  I'm sharing what I've learned with those who are relatively new to mining or thinking about getting involved with mining.  Protecting "decentralization" IN ALL FORMS is what's important.  NOT PROFIT based on greed.  Remember, I used to be one who was blinded by his own greed for profit with no thought of the importance to keep a currency decentralized [In all forms] for the betterment of humanity.

[madmartyk]

But what about the poor CPU miners, maybe they should take it one step further and make everything on par with CPUs.  Wouldn't that burst your bubble...

[dmwardjr]

But what about the poor CPU miners, maybe they should take it one step further and make everything on par with CPUs.  Wouldn't that burst your bubble...

Be honest... Do you think they would actually do that?  I doubt it...

Main reason why they would not is they would alienate their community once again.  [Talking about ZCash].

[cryptotore]

Instead, you want to act like a smart-ass sharing Michael Jackson videos

And?  Is this quote of me your way of saying your done with this conversation?

You make a statement as "FACT" that no algorithm can be truly ASIC/FPGA resistant.  I showed you there is proof to make an algorithm [Not resistant] to ASIC's and FPGA's BUT put them on an even keel with GPU's.  You even linked a video titled, "Can't Win" after making a statement that's NOT FACT.  What's the purpose behind such a video?  If it was to say, "There's no hope."  I've provided support there is hope.  In fact, there's a solution.  Probably several solutions.  If you linked the video for the purpose of rubbing in what you THOUGHT was a winning argument, then you're just as guilty of not "communicating" but simply shilling [With sarcasm; whether ignorantly or knowingly] for BITMAIN.

You say you have GPU's.  If so, one would think you would STAND against BITMAIN's efforts to have CENTRALIZED control of yet ANOTHER PoW algorithm.  Which, in turn, would give them another coin(s) to have a Composite position on coin(s) that do not fork away from ASIC's.  Translation:  They will have control of mining AND speculation (trading) of another coin(s), such as ZEC and KOMODO.

I really wish miners would take the time to do research and UNDERSTAND the opportunity DECENTRALIZED crypto currencies with DECENTRALIZED mining has given us to potentially change the world in a POSITIVE way to give WE THE PEOPLE our freedoms back.  That freedom is threatened when we have the number one manufacturer of ASIC's actively working to gain majority control of mining all major Proof of Work algorithms.  Yes, there's also an issue with centralized pools but that's another subject for another thread.

I was in the dark for the first couple of years in my mining endeavors.  I had to learn the truth the hard way.  I'm sharing what I've learned with those who are relatively new to mining or thinking about getting involved with mining.  Protecting "decentralization" IN ALL FORMS is what's important.  NOT PROFIT based on greed.  Remember, I used to be one who was blinded by his own greed for profit with no thought of the importance to keep a currency decentralized [In all forms] for the betterment of humanity.

Could you please quote me where Im linking all these videos? Michael Jackson videos? "Cant win" video??
What are you talking about?

As Ive said earlier, IMO GPUs should be used for fog computing purposes, while asics are more efficient for stupid bruteforce number guessing (mining).

[dmwardjr]

Could you please quote me where Im linking all these videos? Michael Jackson videos? "Cant win" video??
What are you talking about?

As Ive said earlier, IMO GPUs should be used for fog computing purposes, while asics are more efficient for stupid bruteforce number guessing (mining).

APOLOGIES:  I see it was another individual.  You dropped in shortly after his response.  I "assumed" it was the same person I was talking to.

Please accept my apology?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPVpMxVn6mk

[boxalex]

Making up stuff again are we?

"Bitmain's Pre-Mining Policy is a Gold Mine"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNg5yxlvvng

After watching that video, you'll see what I mean by BITMAIN mining [so-called "testing"] Z9 mini's before shipping them off to those who purchased for August/September delivery.  However, I'm smart enough to do the math to KNOW BETTER.  The hash rate required for that kind of revenue would have to be exponential.  The only answer for that amount of hash rate is a Z9 (not mini) mining at 30k to 40k sol's each.  They are selling crumbs (Z9 mini) to useful idiots blinded by their own greed and believing the BITMAIN ILLUSION.

I can show even more research I've done but why should I?  You're not interested...  You apparently don't want to communicate.

Still no mention of PROG PoW?  

Ignoring it?  

You have Z9 or Z9 mini?  

If so, concerned about your investment getting bricked?  

Don't want to SEE potential writing on the wall for Z9 or Z9 mini?

Dude, did you even try to check if the information in the video is correct? No, or you wouldn't have posted here.

The wallet adresses in the videos mentioned are Zcash Co. wallets for the Dev fee. Every Zcash miner should know this!

The video is a total joke and someone can only wonder that the guy didn't took it down yet.

P.S.: I doubt you believe me and bevor you call me again "liar" ask some of your zcash gpu buddies and they will confirm that the wallets mentioned in the video are zcash own dev fee wallets!

[dmwardjr]

Making up stuff again are we?

"Bitmain's Pre-Mining Policy is a Gold Mine"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNg5yxlvvng

After watching that video, you'll see what I mean by BITMAIN mining [so-called "testing"] Z9 mini's before shipping them off to those who purchased for August/September delivery.  However, I'm smart enough to do the math to KNOW BETTER.  The hash rate required for that kind of revenue would have to be exponential.  The only answer for that amount of hash rate is a Z9 (not mini) mining at 30k to 40k sol's each.  They are selling crumbs (Z9 mini) to useful idiots blinded by their own greed and believing the BITMAIN ILLUSION.

I can show even more research I've done but why should I?  You're not interested...  You apparently don't want to communicate.

Still no mention of PROG PoW?  

Ignoring it?  

You have Z9 or Z9 mini?  

If so, concerned about your investment getting bricked?  

Don't want to SEE potential writing on the wall for Z9 or Z9 mini?

Dude, did you even try to check if the information in the video is correct? No, or you wouldn't have posted here.

The wallet adresses in the videos mentioned are Zcash Co. wallets for the Dev fee. Every Zcash miner should kow this!

The video is a total joke and someone can only wonder that the guy didn't took it down yet.

P.S.: I doubt you believe me and bevor me call me again "liar" ask some of your zcash gpu buddies and they will confirm that the wallets mentioned in the video are zcash wallets!

Someone might want to change the title.  I didn't bother wasting my time with it after reading the title about "Michael Jackson. The Wiz; can't win". How the hell would that have anything to do with crypto by reading the title?  If they made the title relevant to ZCash, people might watch the damn thing.

[madmartyk]

But what about the poor CPU miners, maybe they should take it one step further and make everything on par with CPUs.  Wouldn't that burst your bubble...

Be honest... Do you think they would actually do that?  I doubt it...

Main reason why they would not is they would alienate their community once again.  [Talking about ZCash].

Why not, what do you have against CPU miners?  CPU miners matter....

[dmwardjr]

But what about the poor CPU miners, maybe they should take it one step further and make everything on par with CPUs.  Wouldn't that burst your bubble...

Be honest... Do you think they would actually do that?  I doubt it...

Main reason why they would not is they would alienate their community once again.  [Talking about ZCash].

Why not, what do you have against CPU miners?  CPU miners matter....

Why do I have to have something against them?

Did you hear me say anything negative towards them?  No!

[madmartyk]

But what about the poor CPU miners, maybe they should take it one step further and make everything on par with CPUs.  Wouldn't that burst your bubble...

Be honest... Do you think they would actually do that?  I doubt it...

Main reason why they would not is they would alienate their community once again.  [Talking about ZCash].

Why not, what do you have against CPU miners?  CPU miners matter....

Why do I have to have something against them?

I have nothing against them, I mined plenty of shitcoins with CPUs back in the day.

[dmwardjr]

But what about the poor CPU miners, maybe they should take it one step further and make everything on par with CPUs.  Wouldn't that burst your bubble...

Be honest... Do you think they would actually do that?  I doubt it...

Main reason why they would not is they would alienate their community once again.  [Talking about ZCash].

Why not, what do you have against CPU miners?  CPU miners matter....

Why do I have to have something against them?

I have nothing against them, I mined plenty of shitcoins with CPUs back in the day.

I don't either...  Just wondering why you're trying to put words in my mouth as if I had something against them?  I too mined bitcoin with CPU and GPU back in the day.  Not as serious then as I am now.  But I did...

[madmartyk]

But what about the poor CPU miners, maybe they should take it one step further and make everything on par with CPUs.  Wouldn't that burst your bubble...

Be honest... Do you think they would actually do that?  I doubt it...

Main reason why they would not is they would alienate their community once again.  [Talking about ZCash].

Why not, what do you have against CPU miners?  CPU miners matter....

Why do I have to have something against them?

I have nothing against them, I mined plenty of shitcoins with CPUs back in the day.

I don't either...  Just wondering why you're trying to put words in my mouth as if I had something against them?  I too mined bitcoin with CPU and GPU back in the day.  Not as serious then as I am now.  But I did...

Then lighten up.  You know nothing you can say is going to keep people that already bought the mini from using them.  When the larger unit comes out, it will either sell well because there is money to be made or it will end up like the D3.  Where they can't give them away.  It's kinda like death and taxes, you can bitch all you want about it but there is really nothing you can do.  We just have to let it play out.

[dmwardjr]

Then lighten up.  You know nothing you can say is going to keep people that already bought the mini from using them.  When the larger unit comes out, it will either sell well because there is money to be made or it will end up like the D3.  Where they can't give them away.  It's kinda like death and taxes, you can bitch all you want about it but there is really nothing you can do.  We just have to let it play out.

Listen up:

Have you read ANYTHING from me telling those who already have them to stop using them?  No!

When the Z9 comes out, it will be Bitmain selling you equipment they know will soon no longer be profitable to mine with in a couple of months.  Also, it would more than likely be hardware they've used for months before shipping them off to those who find themselves "useful."

Is someone getting upset?  You call my INFORMING PEOPLE, "bitching."  ROFL...

Someone is OBVIOUSLY getting upset from what I've been sharing.

As for there being nothing I can do:  I'm the type who believes in the "individual."  I believe ONE PERSON can actually MAKE A DIFFERENCE.