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December 30, 2015, 06:32:34 PM
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Hello.

Using a nitrogen for like 3 years and most of the time my experience with the support was very pleasant (and still is).

However, after betting on the certain e-sport match and having it graded instead of canceled i engaged in a discussion with the support, and i dont quite feel that their ruling was justified. I am going to describe the situation here, perphaps having other customers review it and chip in would be useful :

The bet was : Team DC vs Team Slayers (i did bet on Slayers)

The match that occured : Team DC vs Team Infusion
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My opinion : Slayers and Infusion are two different teams, and its unfair to grade the bet

Arguments:

1) Team Slayers did not announce a disband, rebrand, or a rename to team Infusion on any internet source

2) Team Slayers have a very different roster compared to Infsuion (only 2 players out of 5 from Slayers played in the 'Infusion')

3) Sites as Joindota, Gosugamers, and Dotabuff threat them as 2 different teams

4) If the similiar situation occured in the "real" sport (f.e. NBA) - i believe the line would never be graded. Imagine that you did bet on Warriors vs Lakers, but instead of Warriors some team named "Tomatoes" with 2 players from Warriors and 3 randoms showed up and played instead. Would it be fair to grade the line normally?
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NitroGen's opinion : Slayers are Infusion are the same team

Arguments:

1) Times of the matches are identical

2) Team Infusion has 2 players from team Slayers

3) Some sites like Esports Live Scores and some YouTube channel threat them as a same team

4) If it would be 2 separate teams, the team DC would've played team Slayers later in the tournament(Huh? - i really disagree here. This point only comes close to making sense if the line itself is ALWAYS correct. Like if there is absolutely 0% chance that there is a line with the incorrect matchup appear ever, which is obviosly false)
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Overall, i feel like my arguments make a little more sense and that i am being somewhat angled here.

Whats your opinion?

My opinion: if there are two different teams (Team Infusion and Team Slayers), both sides of the DC vs Slayers bet should be refunded because that game never happened, or was mislabeled.  The only way the bet should stand is if Team Infusion IS Team Slayers, and that is a common nickname for them.  For example, I've bet on some foreign volleyball and hockey matches on Nitro where the team name doesn't match the name listed as playing in the game on flashscore, so I look it up and I see that both names are referring to the same team, it's just two different things the same group of people are called.
As long as they are two separate teams, the game should be refunded because it didn't happen.
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Hello.

Using a nitrogen for like 3 years and most of the time my experience with the support was very pleasant (and still is).

However, after betting on the certain e-sport match and having it graded instead of canceled i engaged in a discussion with the support, and i dont quite feel that their ruling was justified. I am going to describe the situation here, perphaps having other customers review it and chip in would be useful :

The bet was : Team DC vs Team Slayers (i did bet on Slayers)

The match that occured : Team DC vs Team Infusion
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My opinion : Slayers and Infusion are two different teams, and its unfair to grade the bet

Arguments:

1) Team Slayers did not announce a disband, rebrand, or a rename to team Infusion on any internet source

2) Team Slayers have a very different roster compared to Infsuion (only 2 players out of 5 from Slayers played in the 'Infusion')

3) Sites as Joindota, Gosugamers, and Dotabuff threat them as 2 different teams

4) If the similiar situation occured in the "real" sport (f.e. NBA) - i believe the line would never be graded. Imagine that you did bet on Warriors vs Lakers, but instead of Warriors some team named "Tomatoes" with 2 players from Warriors and 3 randoms showed up and played instead. Would it be fair to grade the line normally?
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NitroGen's opinion : Slayers are Infusion are the same team

Arguments:

1) Times of the matches are identical

2) Team Infusion has 2 players from team Slayers

3) Some sites like Esports Live Scores and some YouTube channel threat them as a same team

4) If it would be 2 separate teams, the team DC would've played team Slayers later in the tournament(Huh? - i really disagree here. This point only comes close to making sense if the line itself is ALWAYS correct. Like if there is absolutely 0% chance that there is a line with the incorrect matchup appear ever, which is obviosly false)
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Overall, i feel like my arguments make a little more sense and that i am being somewhat angled here.

Whats your opinion?


Hey Magic,

The nature of this situation is a bit confusing and I can assure you that are not trying to treat you unfairly. I sympathize with your argument, although, it is not all that uncommon for teams to switch names or sub players during an eSports tournament. We are working to be more transparent with our rules for these situations and we really appreciate your feedback.

Thanks again,
Calvin


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The nature of this situation is a bit confusing and I can assure you that are not trying to treat you unfairly. I sympathize with your argument, although, it is not all that uncommon for teams to switch names or sub players during an eSports tournament. We are working to be more transparent with our rules for these situations and we really appreciate your feedback.

Thanks again,
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Indeed, i agree that the situation is weird. And i am not going to pretend that my argument is 100% correct and i cannot be wrong here. I can definately see where you are coming from, its just in the end i feel that my side is a little bit stronger when you look at it objectively.

I am fully aware that in Dota teams very often show up with a lot of standins, and i always swallow the loss and never complain, its a part of the variance that i am prepared for. When its trully the same team was playing.


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although, it is not all that uncommon for teams to switch names or sub players during an eSports tournament.

Thats exactly my point, if i would see anywhere that team Slayer no longer exists, disbands, renames or rebrands to "Infuse" i would have no issues with this, i would be like "yep, i should've been more careful"

But its not what happened. Basically i did bet on team X and team Y showed up that KIND of looks like X (2 out of 5 players played there), but there is no info anywhere that team X=Y now.

So i hope you understand where i am coming from - what if ZERO players from Slayers played in team Infusion? Would it still be graded then? I feel like there is very minor difference with 0 or just 2 players being there.

I believe in the end that Slayers were never meant to play in this tournament, and it was a mistake during a line making proccess

But i am also pretty realistic about my chances of changing your ruling in such cases (close to 0%)



I agree with you Magic, and in most cases there are more formal announcements following a team disband or re-brand. In this situation, our team concluded that Slayers was in the midst of a transition and changed their name and line up shortly before the start of the match. Slayers' captain and another teammate remained, and played out the match as scheduled. There is still no formal announcement about the switch and some websites, including Liquidpedia, still have Slayers of Gods listed as playing Elite Wolves later today. Our lines now reflect the team switch and we have introduced a rule to improve the transparency of our eSports grading (See rule 8 under the eSports tab). I do apologize for your frustrations and thank you for your time and feedback.

Thanks,
Calvin


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To be completely fair - even thought NitroGen did not cancel the wager, they were cool enough to offer a decent sized freebet, so i dont hold any grudges against them as a result of this unique situation

Glad to hear it worked out somewhat fairly.

As an aside, do you still publish your picks publicly?
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To be completely fair - even thought NitroGen did not cancel the wager, they were cool enough to offer a decent sized freebet, so i dont hold any grudges against them as a result of this unique situation

Glad to hear it worked out somewhat fairly.

As an aside, do you still publish your picks publicly?

I stopped doing that mainly because how much time it took to do properly.

On paper its just a couple of minutes, but in reality all the time needed to make screenshots, format, and track the lines when they come up really adds up. Its possible that i will post them for free again in january, aiming share about 200-500 picks at least.

Makes sense.  I noticed that you seemed pretty sharp and always posted everything on time so I can appreciate the time effort put into that.  Gl in 2016.
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January 01, 2016, 02:28:05 PM
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Kindly post the updated status of all participants of signature sweepstakes Smiley

Hey addicto!

Thanks so much for being part of our signature sweepstakes!

The winners and status updates of the signature sweepstakes will be announced on the first Monday following the end of the month. So you should see an update and whether you are a prize winner by January 4, 2016. If you have any other questions about the signature sweepstakes, please check out the rules here.

Good luck! 

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Kindly post the updated status of all participants of signature sweepstakes Smiley

Hey addicto!

Thanks so much for being part of our signature sweepstakes!

The winners and status updates of the signature sweepstakes will be announced on the first Monday following the end of the month. So you should see an update and whether you are a prize winner by January 4, 2016. If you have any other questions about the signature sweepstakes, please check out the rules here.

Good luck! 

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Than how to join it again?
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Kindly post the updated status of all participants of signature sweepstakes Smiley

Hey addicto!

Thanks so much for being part of our signature sweepstakes!

The winners and status updates of the signature sweepstakes will be announced on the first Monday following the end of the month. So you should see an update and whether you are a prize winner by January 4, 2016. If you have any other questions about the signature sweepstakes, please check out the rules here.

Good luck! 

Roy

Than how to join it again?

Hey bitcircle!

Feel free to send us a private message through bitcointalk after the announcement has been made on Monday to join the sweepstakes for January. You can find all the details of the signature sweepstakes here!

Cheers,

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Awesome Christmas promotion! Hope you keep it up with the monthly promotions. Marketing team thumbs up

We really appreciate the support Koshgel!

Cheers,

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UFC 195 - Condit vs Lawler



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January 02, 2016, 05:12:45 PM
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damn these will be some good fights tonight! I don't follow MMA as much as I used to but I'm going to the bar to watch this one tonight. I smell a few all ins coming  Grin Grin Good luck everyone!
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damn these will be some good fights tonight! I don't follow MMA as much as I used to but I'm going to the bar to watch this one tonight. I smell a few all ins coming  Grin Grin Good luck everyone!

Haha awesome - good luck tonight badjacks!

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When you will going to count entries for sweepstakes Monday is here and waiting to know what will happen Wink

 
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When you will going to count entries for sweepstakes Monday is here and waiting to know what will happen Wink

Hey TeraBite,

We'll start the draw at 3:30pm ET today and announce the winners over the sweepstakes topic in games & rounds.

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NCAA Basketball - North Carolina vs Florida State



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