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December 03, 2013, 06:58:29 PM
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-- WARNING TO ALL YOU NEWBIES --

Some time ago Bitmarkert locked all its members out from their online wallet. They claim that they've been hacked, but they show no prove for this claim. On the contrary there's more and more proof that they simply stole their memebers their bitcoins (more will follow - cannot reveal all info for strategical reasons at this stage).

Anyway, below the email conversation with Bitalo earlier today. Jugde for yourself and DON'T trust Bitalo.

------ email to Marciej Trebarc yesterday evening (lead developer at Bitalo ----

Dear Sir,
 
I'm am the owner of the nobodysomewhere account on your BTC exchange Bitmarket.eu.
 
I would like to ask you to pay me my 10 btc (and NOT just 100 euro) to my wallet: 1KiTmEobJhRtarxaSxgsLeqPEg45nAe8Pu
 
I do not want to go to court, but $10000 is worth the effort wouldn't you agree? It is obvious that you've been gambling with other people's money, most people might but I don't dig this. If you offer to store other people's money, you also are responsible for their funds.
 
You've neglected to warn people, people who trusted you, that leaving their funds online on your exchange could result in the current situation. There's no court in the whole world that wouldn't agree.
 
If you do not comply within a reasonable amount of time, let's say 14 days, I will persue all legal means at my disposal.
 
Best regards,
 
------ reply Martin Albert 1:19 AM 12/3/2013 ----

Dear Kurt,

thank you for your email,


the recipient "marciej@bitalo.com" does not exist, so we assume that we as Bitalo AG are not the correct recipient for the email below. We have deleted the mail and would ask you to contact us again if you need further information.


Thank you

-Martin

Bitalo

------ my reply to Martin Albert 6.32 AM 12/3/2013 ----

Just tell your lead developer that i'm coming to get my money through all legal means possible. Bs emails like this won't work. Btw, what would the media think? Wouldn't be good advertising for bitalo if the world knows that the bitmarket scammer is the lead developer.

------ reply Martin Albert 8:06 AM 12/3/2013 ----

we believe there are no legal means to get any money back, as the admin does not own any assets.


the past experience showed how much a project like bitalo is needed where losing of funds is not possible


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EcYHOZeb6LA&feature=c4-feed-u


exchanges lose funds all the time and or get hacked. Bitalo uses multi signature wallets where your private key is not known to anybody except you.


we wiuld be glad if you give our service a chance


martin
bitalo

------ my reply to Martin Albert 8:06 AM 12/3/2013 ----

If I don't get my btc's any time soon, we'll find out about those legal means.
 
Pay them to 1KiTmEobJhRtarxaSxgsLeqPEg45nAe8Pu
 
And I think you have much more to loose then 'just' 10 btc.
 
------ reply Martin Albert 11:20 AM 12/3/2013 ----

good luck

------ reply Marciej Trebarc 14:07 PM 12/3/2013 ---- (the guys who's email address no longer exists???)

Hello,


To receive payouts, please fill in your Bitcoin address after logging in to Bitmarket.eu website. Then you will receive your refund, the same way as everyone else does.

------ my reply to Martin Albert and Marciej Trebarc 15:37 AM 12/3/2013 ----

Well, I thought your email address didn't exist.
 
I want my 10 btc, nothing more nothing less. The whole communication with Michael clearly shows that the whole houbabelouba is a scam.
 
CU all in court soon.

------ END OF CHAIN ------

So, these replies from the Bitalo scammers have the word 'guilty' written all over them. Otherwise they would not act and reply this way. I've contacted my laywer and we're planning our next more. Anybody who encounterd the same scam, or knows somebody who has, please contact me so that we can build a front together against these thieves. Besides the fact that I want my btc ($10000 is a lot of money) I'm a strong believer in the future of bitcoin. I therefore believe it is my duty to warn you all. Don't trust these guys. They pulled already onces a prank, there's no reason why they're not going to pull the same prank with their new exchange Bitalo.



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December 04, 2013, 12:19:18 AM
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Bitalo AG is NOT related to bitmarket.eu.

Bitalo is a new startup company of 6 core investors, that hired the old admin of bitmarket.eu as consultant.
https://www.bitalo.com/about_us

We are the first exchange that implements Multi-Signature wallets, so that neither admins nor hackers can ever access user funds, because the bitcoin private key is not known to the site administrators.

This is a brand new concept and extremely innovative, we can state that Bitalo is the most secure platform in the community, please check our video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcYHOZeb6LA



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December 05, 2013, 06:36:06 PM
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Bitalo's lead developer, the guy who's responsible for the website, is the same guy who developed, and administrated Bitmarket.

So either he's incompetent or I'm right and he's a scam.

In both cases reasons enough not to trust Bitalo. It's certainly not a safe place to store bitcoins.

Have a look at the link below.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/14v2fq/anyone_knows_whats_going_on_with_bitmarketeu/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5441.500
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129803.0


And this is what is says on the startpage of bitmarket

http://bitmarket.eu/

So the whole bitmarket team went over to Bitalo... Goody.

And for the people who speak/read Dutch (or Dainish I think, maybe), here's something about the account being frozen but the amount stored still shows. He lost more then 20 btc ($20000).

http://www.bitcoinspot.nl/forum.html?func=view&catid=4&id=155

The site still exists indeed, and one can still ogon and SEE his/her credit..  but one cannot withdraw. The administrator (Marciej Trebarc) promisses to refund the outstanding amount... but in euros and what the coins were worth 10/20 euro a piece.

So let's make a quick calculation. Bitmarket traded, according to their own info, 200000 btc. It opened in 2011 and closed down in 2012.

It is safe to assume that at least 2% of that 'floating' amount of 200000 btc got frozen... 4000 btc... $4000000... So either mr. Trebarc and his team that he brought along, are the kings of all bungles or they're all very rich jong men planning on getting even richer.
 
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December 05, 2013, 07:38:23 PM
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And this clears up even more the situation...

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/157y1t/big_fail_at_bitmarketeu/

It is like JP Morgan and those other banks that wrecked our economy. They speculated with the little people's money and they lost.
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December 05, 2013, 09:05:29 PM
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Everybody who owns money from the Bitmarket.eu administrator, the guy who gambled away our bitcoin, can send him an email on maciej@bitalo.com

Don't bather sending emails to the email addresses on Bitmarket.eu. They no longer exist anyway.
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December 05, 2013, 09:07:21 PM
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Bitalo's lead developer, the guy who's responsible for the website, is the same guy who developed, and administrated Bitmarket.

So either he's incompetent or I'm right and he's a scam.

In both cases reasons enough not to trust Bitalo. It's certainly not a safe place to store bitcoins.

Have a look at the link below.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/14v2fq/anyone_knows_whats_going_on_with_bitmarketeu/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5441.500
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129803.0


And this is what is says on the startpage of bitmarket

http://bitmarket.eu/

So the whole bitmarket team went over to Bitalo... Goody.

And for the people who speak/read Dutch (or Dainish I think, maybe), here's something about the account being frozen but the amount stored still shows. He lost more then 20 btc ($20000).

http://www.bitcoinspot.nl/forum.html?func=view&catid=4&id=155

The site still exists indeed, and one can still ogon and SEE his/her credit..  but one cannot withdraw. The administrator (Marciej Trebarc) promisses to refund the outstanding amount... but in euros and what the coins were worth 10/20 euro a piece.

So let's make a quick calculation. Bitmarket traded, according to their own info, 200000 btc. It opened in 2011 and closed down in 2012.

It is safe to assume that at least 2% of that 'floating' amount of 200000 btc got frozen... 4000 btc... $4000000... So either mr. Trebarc and his team that he brought along, are the kings of all bungles or they're all very rich jong men planning on getting even richer.
 



Yes i am dapj from the last link in Dutch  http://www.bitcoinspot.nl/forum.html?func=view&catid=4&id=155

I want also my coins back because i lost +22 coins !!!! I need also advice from people here how to get them back asap, true the law?? No problem or indeed spread it around so no others go there !! If they give me all the money worth in coin now well i will make a compramise : 1 coin is on this moment worth...775.37 Euro !!!!! Give me per coin 500 Euro, so 22 x 500 Euro = 11.000 Euro !!!!!

Give me 2000 Euro in coin and the rest in cash!!

1GfuHxX7rMpA47greFwb67gPvxTyGprXbJ   send for 2000 Euro in coins to there!
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December 05, 2013, 09:51:48 PM
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Found more contact info: maciej@trebacz.org. Marciej Trebarc, the lead developer at Bitalo.

Check out the dude's website: http://trebacz.org/. THE homepage of a developer with more than 10 years of experience.

Bitalo start to sound more and more like Fukushima... No worries, just a little leakie.. a few folks lighting up in the dark. All ok in the land of the rising sun. .

Bitalo: Look at our lead developer, store your bitcoins at Bitalo. We'll get 'hacked', actually we gamble with your money... And when shit turns bad you get to pay. And when you're lucky we get payed extra at your expence. All joy and lederhosen, in the land of sausage and beer.

Don't tust these creeps.  Don't store money at Bitalo. If you have bitcoins over there... run and move em away.
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December 05, 2013, 11:42:38 PM
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...send for 2000 Euro in coins to there!
You can request him on his website bitmarket.eu to pay back ~10% of the amount you lost. 10% of 22 BTC is ~2BTC is ~2k EUR. Enjoy.

(I don't want to talk down the incident but I think it is also our fault to trust a single person to keep the Bitcoins save... I lost all my BTCs this day because I was too lazy to set up a local wallet. I used the market as an online wallet and failed.)
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