Rest in peace...

[niothor]

I made the mistake of going to the World Cup  there , I'm not going to that country even .... for bitcoins.

Mandela did whatever he could to improve the living standards. But others in the ANC soon took over and destroyed everything.

How was your experience in South Africa? I know that the crime rate is sky-high there. Will be glad to hear that you didn't had any bad experiences.

Well , the second day I tried to ask the hotel staff about a certain place where I was supposed the meet one of my friends, knowing it was close by. But I got it wrong the first time , and that guy told me
 - You can't go there!
 - Why not?
 - Well , it's not safe for ... white people after this hour!
Then I tried to explain him that it's actually a four star hotel in this area so it can't be that bad and he said..
-  Aaa , you mean x ,  yeah that's only two streets from here , it's safe.

Now , how much do you think I visited of Johannesburg and Cape Town excluding the airports?

[Mike Christ]

The Truth About Nelson Mandela

[bryant.coleman]

The Truth About Nelson Mandela

That is quite one-sided. Most of the crimes against White and Asian people in Apartheid-era South Africa were committed by extremist elements within the ANC, such as Thabo Mbeki. No need in blaming Nelson Mandela for that.

[babeq]

I will always remember his quote "After climbing a great hill, one only finds that there are many more hills to climb." So as he said, we have to fight for us beliefs and never give up from dreams!

[niothor]

I will always remember his quote "After climbing a great hill, one only finds that there are many more hills to climb." So as he said, we have to fight for us beliefs and never give up from dreams!

Nice words , but in real life fighting for your beliefs ends up killing others that do the same for their beliefs.
And this isn't the way for happy dreams to come true.

[hilariousandco]

If Nelson Mandela is a terrorist what does that make Bush, Blair, & Obama?

[niothor]

If Nelson Mandela is a terrorist what does that make Bush, Blair, & Obama?

So , by this comparison we don't have any other terrorists.
Should we label them by grade  1 , 2?

[hilariousandco]

If Nelson Mandela is a terrorist what does that make Bush, Blair, & Obama?

So , by this comparison we don't have any other terrorists.
Should we label them by grade  1 , 2?

I'd say measure them in numbers of people they've killed, or displaced o,r children that they've orphaned.

I think the only terrorists people need to worry about are the UK/US governments.

[niothor]

If Nelson Mandela is a terrorist what does that make Bush, Blair, & Obama?

So , by this comparison we don't have any other terrorists.
Should we label them by grade  1 , 2?

I'd say measure them in numbers of people they've killed, or displaced o,r children that they've orphaned.

I think the only terrorists people need to worry about are the UK/US governments.

Nothing about the chinese leaders?
One example of their actions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

[bryant.coleman]

Nothing about the chinese leaders?
One example of their actions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

Stalin killed 60 million Russians / Ukrainians / Belorussians . What would you like to call him?

[hilariousandco]

If Nelson Mandela is a terrorist what does that make Bush, Blair, & Obama?

So , by this comparison we don't have any other terrorists.
Should we label them by grade  1 , 2?

I'd say measure them in numbers of people they've killed, or displaced o,r children that they've orphaned.

I think the only terrorists people need to worry about are the UK/US governments.

Nothing about the chinese leaders?
One example of their actions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

It wasn't my intention to list every act of terrorism that has ever been carried out by a country's government. What wars have China started in the last 50 years?

[elektibi75]

May He rest in peace...

[hilariousandco]

Does anyone know of any good books on Mandela? I'd like to read an impartial one if possible, but also ones who considered him a terrorist and those that considered him a hero - or perhaps even both.

[bryant.coleman]

Does anyone know of any good books on Mandela? I'd like to read an impartial one if possible, but also ones who considered him a terrorist and those that considered him a hero - or perhaps even both.

I'd recommend his autobiography. Can be purchased from the Amazon for $11.35.

Most of the books which portray him as a terrorist are banned in online stores like Amazon, and might be available only from the black-markets.

[hilariousandco]

Does anyone know of any good books on Mandela? I'd like to read an impartial one if possible, but also ones who considered him a terrorist and those that considered him a hero - or perhaps even both.

I'd recommend his autobiography. Can be purchased from the Amazon for $11.35.

Most of the books which portray him as a terrorist are banned in online stores like Amazon, and might be available only from the black-markets.

Well his autobiography isn't going to be impartial , but I guess it'll be a good place to start and to see what he has to say about his side of the story.

And why are the books banned? Were they written by slanderous racist twats or something?

[bryant.coleman]

And why are the books banned? Were they written by slanderous racist twats or something?

I meant that they are not be available from mainstream book stores. Well... one man's hero is another's terrorist. 

[hawkeye]

The fact is that he and his goons just wanted the power for themselves.   Apartheid is a great injustice no doubt, but you don't solve it by giving the unjust privileges that the white people had and handing them over to black people.

That is the lesson that should be learnt from this whole sorry story.  

A majority does not rule any better than a minority.  Americans should be familiar enough with this fact.

[hawkeye]

The Truth About Nelson Mandela

That is quite one-sided. Most of the crimes against White and Asian people in Apartheid-era South Africa were committed by extremist elements within the ANC, such as Thabo Mbeki. No need in blaming Nelson Mandela for that.

It's called plausible deniability.  You let others do the dirty work from which you benefit and then when confronted about it, you claim no knowledge.

[ajax3592]

Republican logic
Obama wants to give people healthcare = Dictator = Lets get our Guns and have a revolution

Yet Mandela was the biggest terrorist ever for taking action against a factually oppressive government that actively oppressed the majority of people. Then was imprisoned and actually switched to a non violent philosophy avoiding major bloodshed after the oppressive government was taken down.

Hmm.

[hilariousandco]

And why are the books banned? Were they written by slanderous racist twats or something?

I meant that they are not be available from mainstream book stores. Well... one man's hero is another's terrorist. 

That's true.

Can anyone recommend any decent films/docs on him as well?