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Which begs the question, why not organise a referendum there, the results of which will surely indicate the wish for reunification with Poland. And I think the official Poland will not be opposed to this (though I read some comments from the ordinary Poles, who are not too keen on the idea). Everyone will be happy - NATO, EU, Poland, Cossacks. The only ones who will be unhappy, are the ethnic Russians living in that Western region, but they are a minority there, so they'll have to either live with the results or migrate.
Well... western Ukraine is not ethnically homogeneous.... there are regions having majority populations from the Magyar, Ruthenian, Bulgarian, Moldvin and Gagauz ethnic groups.
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Moldvin
you mean romanian
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Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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March 24, 2014, 12:57:09 AM |
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Moldvin
you mean romanian In Chernivtsi, they call themselves Romanian. In Odessa, they call themselves Moldvin. Both options are given during the census. They pick their choice.
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Liked this comment: Even BBC has shown the people in eastern Ukraine blocking the Ukrainian troops movement towards the border with slogans: "Russians are our friends! Kiev government is our enemy!"
So It would be difficult for Kiev to ask these people not to respond on possible (though very inlikely) Russian military invasion with cheers and flowers.
Why the hell does Russia at all bothers letting foreign military representatives perform inspections on its soil, when the findings are twisted for the public view anyway? Moscow: No troop build-up or undeclared military activity near Ukraine borders http://rt.com/news/russia-troops-limit-border-673/Russia is observing all international agreements on troop limits in regions bordering Ukraine, the Russian Deputy Defense Minister said, adding that foreign missions’ inspections can confirm that.
The statement was made in response to reports by several foreign media outlets over concentrations of "thousands" of Russian servicemen on the Russian-Ukrainian border.
“By the way this issue has during the last month been regularly raised in telephone conversations between Russia’s Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu, and his foreign counterparts, including US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and even acting Ukrainian Defense Minister Igor Tenyukh,” Anatoly Antonov, the Russian Deputy Defense Minister said.
Sergey Shoigu has, in a very transparent manner, informed all of them about the real situation on the Russian-Ukrainian border. He also stressed that Russia has no intention to concentrate troops there, Antonov said.
Following recent probes by foreign missions in Russia of Ukraine’s bordering regions, foreign inspectors came to the conclusion that "Russian Armed Forces are not undertaking any undeclared military activity that would threaten the security of neighboring countries," Antonov added.
The official said eight foreign inspection groups have recently visited Russia.
“Our venues and regions, where troops are stationed near Ukrainian borders, have twice been checked by the Ukrainian military,” the Deputy Minister said. “Besides, we have had on our territory inspectors from the US, Canada, Germany, France, Switzerland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia and Finland.”
Seven of those eight missions were interested in Russian regions bordering with Ukraine, Antonov said. Foreign inspectors were allowed to talk to chiefs of the Russian military units, make pictures of deployment sites and military vehicles, and control them during relocation.
“We did our best to meet our partners’ requests by allowing them to inspect all of the sites they wanted to. We have nothing to hide,” Antonov said.
The deputy minister said he was hoping that participants of those inspecting missions would inform their countries’ leaderships of what is really going on at the border between Russia and Ukraine.
"We believe this would to large extent facilitate release of tension, something the head of the Pentagon, Hagel, called for during his recent phone conversation with Minister Shoigu.” Germans, French ‘nullified military co-op with Russia under pressure’
Berlin’s and Paris’ moves to halt military cooperation with Moscow are derailing the bilateral efforts of recent years and are completely unconstructive, Antonov said. However, according to the defense official, the two did so under pressure from their NATO ally.
“Obviously, the proverbial ‘Atlantic solidarity’ has made our French and German partners come up with loud statements against Russia,” Antonov said.
“Refusing from contacts and delegatory exchange though military departments brings to naught the positive tendencies established in the recent years, including the cooperation on Afghanistan, the dialogue on transparency of military activity and military-technical cooperation. We perceive the decision of the German side as taken under pressure and unconstructive,” Antonov stressed.
Both Russian and German defense ministries have recently undertaken some “serious efforts” in mutually beneficial cooperation, the official noted. He also highlighted the “unprecedented” bilateral work with France, including that of the Air Forces and Airborne Forces, noting that a “new impulse of cooperation” had been planned for 2014.
Addressing media on Sunday, Antonov stressed that Russia and its European partners are equally interested in military cooperation. It is “very easy to ruin what has been done by our countries [in the field of military cooperation] and it will be very difficult to restore relations,” he said.
The Russian side hopes that Germany and France will review the situation on the Ukrainian border upon receiving reports from the international inspectors and will move to restore the severed ties, Antonov said. For now, Moscow will act in accordance with the “existing realities,” he added.
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“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.” “We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.” “It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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March 24, 2014, 08:54:25 AM |
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Well... the NATO will provide the Ukrainians with nuclear fuel. So no problems there. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) However, I wonder how much of it will end up in the hands of Al Qaeda.
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March 24, 2014, 08:57:43 AM |
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And here's who wins from the bogus military amassing reports: USA who wants to send military to Ukraine (and so the history of Yugoslavia, Lybia, Iraq, Tunis, Egypt, Vietnam, Afghanistan and many other countries, "helped" by the Us is to repeat itself?) http://rt.com/usa/republicans-military-equipment-ukraine-729/
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“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.” “We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.” “It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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March 24, 2014, 09:03:32 AM |
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Well... the NATO will provide the Ukrainians with nuclear fuel. So no problems there. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) However, I wonder how much of it will end up in the hands of Al Qaeda. Ukraine already sent money to RosAtom for 4 fuel supplies, but the border is closed now... So they can't provide fuel unless situation will be resolved.
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March 24, 2014, 10:25:16 AM Last edit: March 24, 2014, 11:09:27 AM by Nemo1024 |
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http://rt.com/politics/russia-asset-freeze-sanctions-897/A top Russian lawmaker has revealed he is working on a bill that would freeze the assets of European and American companies operating in Russia in reply to Western economic sanctions.
The chairman of the upper house committee for constitutional law, Andrey Klishas, is sure that Russia must have an enough leverage to deal with the threat of sanctions coming from foreign countries.A team of lawyers are currently preparing a separate federal bill that would allow the Russian president and government to confiscate foreign owned property in Russia, including assets belonging to private companies, the senator told the RIA Novosti news agency.
The bill is in response to the major political crisis in Ukraine and the threat of sanctions against Russia coming from the USA and other countries.
“All sanctions must be mutual,” Klishas stated.
The senator added that he had no doubts that such a measure was in line with European standards. “We can recall the example of Cyprus where the confiscation was, in essence, one of the conditions for getting aid from European Union.
About time: http://rt.com/politics/obama-nobel-double-standards-813/A Russian senator has asked the Nobel Committee to annul the award given to the US President last year claiming Barack Obama’s double standard policy has helped develop the political crisis in Ukraine. ... In November last year two Russian NGOs, Officers of Russia and Soldiers’ Mothers, asked the Nobel Committee to evaluate the information according to which Barack Obama had noted he was ‘very good at killing people’ while discussing drone warfare with his close aides. Russian activists claimed that these words were hardly compatible with the title of a Nobel Peace Prize laureate. They also added that the Peace Prize bestowed on Obama was a sort of 'advance' given in return for promises and press statements made during the previous election campaign, but in reality the deeds of the US leader contradict his earlier rhetoric and this means that the ‘advance’ can be rescinded. ...
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March 24, 2014, 11:19:54 AM Last edit: March 24, 2014, 11:29:55 AM by Balthazar |
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Waiting for the real EU & US sanctions, it would be really helpful for industrial sector of CIS economy. Just tired of these "sanctions will be serious blahblahblah" ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Somebody should to create a petition on the WH site... SANCTIONS! S-A-N-C-T-I-O-N-S! S-AA-N-C-T-II-O-N-S! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) // Sorry, went to the cinema.
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March 24, 2014, 05:24:18 PM Last edit: March 24, 2014, 05:35:28 PM by Rassah |
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Which begs the question, why not organise a referendum there, the results of which will surely indicate the wish for reunification with Poland. And I think the official Poland will not be opposed to this (though I read some comments from the ordinary Poles, who are not too keen on the idea). Everyone will be happy - NATO, EU, Poland, Cossacks. The only ones who will be unhappy, are the ethnic Russians living in that Western region, but they are a minority there, so they'll have to either live with the results or migrate.
This may be a problem since, as I mentioned, when parts of Ukraine became a part of Poland, or any other country, that doesn't mean that the entire area was empty, and then Poland with polish people just moved in. Ukrainians already lived on that land, and the "part of" country was considered to have been occupying the land and suppressing the existing population. Even to the point where Ukrainians were being taken into slavery. Obviously that is very old history, and Poland is doing very well economically, having never fully accepted the whole Communism thing, but that old history very likely still has people having resentment for Poland. In a way it's like asking Poland to reunite with Germany, since Poland was part of it at some time during the Nazi invasion. And here's who wins from the bogus military amassing reports: USA who wants to send military to Ukraine (and so the history of Yugoslavia, Lybia, Iraq, Tunis, Egypt, Vietnam, Afghanistan and many other countries, "helped" by the Us is to repeat itself?) http://rt.com/usa/republicans-military-equipment-ukraine-729/"Military Equipment" =/= Military. This sounds more like the plan in Lybia, where US just want to send them weapons and equipment so Ukrainians handle the situation themselves if they have to. Funny that the entire situation is with Ukrainian president stealing $7billion of foreign aid from Ukrainian government, and trying to impose dictatorial rule, for which he was deposed, and Russia decided to stick its nose into the situation, caused a ton of issues, and is now complaining about being victimized ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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March 24, 2014, 06:47:20 PM |
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But the smoking gun, and where Putin once again shows just how masterful of a chess player he is, is the following statement by Tymoshenko, after asked, rhetorically, by her counterparty, "what should we do now with the 8 million Russians that stayed in Ukraine. They are outcasts"... to which she replies: "They must be killed with nuclear weapons." http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/ukraine-leader-new-leaked-recording-8-million-russians-ukraine-must-be-killed-nucleathis Ukrainian leader work for putin or something ?
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Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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March 24, 2014, 06:54:23 PM |
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March 24, 2014, 07:02:45 PM |
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this Ukrainian leader work for putin or something ?
She makes a competent bid on idiots. Smart move, I guess... We're all know that 95% of Earth population are idiots. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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guess there are more things to worry about now besides the revolution ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/international/2014/03/140322_odessa_russian_ukrainian_activists.shtml"Are you, by any chance, a relative of ... ?" - in a separate room, where I was asked to go into the passport control, five people gathered directly from the border guards, and they obviously interesting to look at me.
"No" - I know what he mean, senior lieutenant looks at my passport with a stamp by Simferopol's customs service and with surname "Aksyonov" in it.
At the entrance to Odessa single men are checked, I heard about that. But my name itself causes an agiotage in the modern Ukraine. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f69_1393342055 rumor : Alexánder Muzychko (from the video) was found dead
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Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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Somebody decided to save some taxpayers money. Thank you, unknown hero.
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