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May 09, 2018, 03:21:48 AM
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Can anyone explain what would happen if I created a wallet in 2010 and someone sent coins to the wallet address, gave me a tx number that I stuck in and hit receive, shut the wallet down and left Bitcoin demon running ( It probably didn't sync with the network) and went to work. When I got home the power had been off and the computer was off, I never had it back online since then.  I looked on the block chain at old addresses and don't see that amount around the time it happened.
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May 09, 2018, 04:37:23 AM
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someone sent coins to the wallet address, gave me a tx number that I stuck in and hit receive

Could you explain what do you mean with this? You don't seperately hit any "receive" or "accept" type of buttons if the transaction has already been sent/broadcasted to the network. An exception is that at least with the current client, you are able to create a custom request for a certain amount for example if receiving payments from different clients.

left Bitcoin demon running ( It probably didn't sync with the network) and went to work.

Even if you have not synced the whole blockchain, the transaction should have been broadcasted within matter of seconds to the network. At that time mempool was pretty empty i guess, so it should have not been dropped from there either. However im not certain if the early clients did that as well, or if you had to sync the whole blockchain before sending. At least the current versions send them to nodes anyway.

When I got home the power had been off and the computer was off, I never had it back online since then.  I looked on the block chain at old addresses and don't see that amount around the time it happened.

Are you sure that he actually sent everything to you? Probably not if you cannot see it in your wallet nor any block explorer.

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May 09, 2018, 04:40:59 AM
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Can anyone explain what would happen if I created a wallet in 2010 and someone sent coins to the wallet address, gave me a tx number that I stuck in and hit receive, shut the wallet down and left Bitcoin demon running ( It probably didn't sync with the network) and went to work. When I got home the power had been off and the computer was off, I never had it back online since then.  I looked on the block chain at old addresses and don't see that amount around the time it happened.
If someone sent bitcoins to one of your addresses and the transaction was mined onto the blockchain, the bitcoins are at your disposal if you still have the private key (or the mnemonic phrase). Whether your node happened to be online and synced doesn't matter. But if a reliable blockchain explorer shows an empty balance for the address, then the balance for that address is empty.

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May 09, 2018, 05:41:42 AM
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Can anyone explain
This is your seventh topic on this subject. I'm starting to think you're just trolling.
Why don't you put all information in your first topic?

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May 09, 2018, 05:59:19 AM
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This is your seventh topic on this subject. I'm starting to think you're just trolling.
Why don't you put all information in your first topic?
No, not trolling LoyceV. I haven't found my wallet yet, I bought coins from someone and would like to know how things worked back then so I can try and find them on the drives. I have reasons why I couldn't get to the drives I have. But I read different things on here about how it worked back then. I didn't post everything together because they are different things that I'm trying to find out about. Would a transaction be still in there address on the block chain until I sync my wallet.
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May 09, 2018, 06:03:55 AM
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After that "someone" sent you the transaction ID and you can confirm that it has confirmations with blockexplorers (blockchain.info) it's in that wallet, assuming that the address belongs to it.
You can take all the time in the world before syncing/opening that wallet again.

someone sent coins to the wallet address
If this actually happened back then, there's nothing else required to complete "that" transaction.
If the bitcoins isn't there after synchronization, either the transaction was dropped or it isn't the correct wallet.dat from 2010.

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May 09, 2018, 06:52:15 AM
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Does anyone know how I can search the block chain for a range of dates and amounts. I would like to find the transaction to see if it went through.
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May 09, 2018, 07:08:51 AM
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Does anyone know how I can search the block chain for a range of dates and amounts. I would like to find the transaction to see if it went through.
Use any online blockexplorer like blockchain.info, enter the block number of the block you want to investigate (you can enter that transaction too).
All the transactions are included there (including the coinbase tx) along with the useful information:
  • Number Of Transactions
  • Timestamp/Received Time

If it was from 2010 (which you mentioned from your other threads), blocks at that time only consists of <10 transactions,
finding a particular tx wont be that hard.
You might wanna check #50001 and above for transactions from 2010-04-10.

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May 09, 2018, 07:31:36 AM
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Timestamp/Received Time
I think the reason I couldn't find it before was that I was searching dates in my time, it's probably all UTC. I'll try that thanks.
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Would a transaction be still in there address on the block chain until I sync my wallet.
If you don't have the txid, the address or the private key, there's no point in searching for the amount in any transaction.

I haven't found my wallet yet, I bought coins from someone and would like to know how things worked back then so I can try and find them on the drives. I have reasons why I couldn't get to the drives I have.
If you can't get to your wallet, none of the other things matter.

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But I read different things on here about how it worked back then. I didn't post everything together because they are different things that I'm trying to find out about.
I think it really helps if you put all information and questions together. Now it's bits and pieces everywhere.

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Would a transaction be still in there address on the block chain until I sync my wallet.
Yes. That's how blockchains work: transactions never disappear, and funds only move when someone makes a new transaction.

Does anyone know how I can search the block chain for a range of dates and amounts. I would like to find the transaction to see if it went through.
Download this list for all balances per address. Search for the amount you want, then search the addresses on a blockexplorer to find the date.
If it's a common balance, you can expect many hits. If it's something weird (like 1.13141533BTC), you'll get less false positives.

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May 09, 2018, 09:29:41 AM
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Can anyone explain what would happen if I created a wallet in 2010 and someone sent coins to the wallet address
If they actually did send the coins (and they haven't been moved since... the coins would still be attached to that address.


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... gave me a tx number that I stuck in and hit receive, shut the wallet down and left Bitcoin demon running ( It probably didn't sync with the network) and went to work. When I got home the power had been off and the computer was off, I never had it back online since then.  I looked on the block chain at old addresses and don't see that amount around the time it happened.
None of this makes any difference... you don't have to create a "receive request" or have your wallet online or synced or running... if the other party created, signed and broadcast a transaction to the network that was subsequently included in a block by a miner... then those coins are attached to that address.


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August 27, 2018, 08:09:41 PM
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PM sent to @Oldnewbie.

Lots of inconsistencies here in what you have posted, so I thought it would be easier to move this here ...

BitcoinFX, can you pm or email me, I have a couple questions about back in 2010.

Your account email address is 'hidden' and if I PM you then I'm not sure you can respond due to your (current) newbie account status.

You are welcome to ask me what you want, thus I suggest we continue the conversation in your related thread topic here:
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... if the other party created, signed and broadcast a transaction to the network that was subsequently included in a block by a miner... then those coins are attached to that address.


So the coins should be in my address, even though I never logged in with that wallet. Or would the coins show up in his address because the transaction never went through?
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August 28, 2018, 07:25:38 AM
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Does anyone have a email address for smoketoomuch, he helped me setup my computer, you can pm it to me. I can see them, but I cannot respond to them yet. Newbe account. Can't remember the name I used on here in 2010.

Nope (sorry) I don't have their email address and even if I did then releasing other folks personal details to a completely random entity would not be something I would consider doing.

Anyhow, that account is still active sometimes so maybe you might try to PM them directly?

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Nope (sorry) I don't have their email address and even if I did then releasing other folks personal details to a completely random entity would not be something I would consider doing.

Anyhow, that account is still active sometimes so maybe you might try to PM them directly?
If I could pm him I would, but changes to this forum since 2010 won't allow me based on the newbie status. There's other ways of helping me get in touch with him, without giving personal information. Thanks for responding though.
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August 28, 2018, 05:38:59 PM
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If I could pm him I would, but changes to this forum since 2010 won't allow me based on the newbie status.
Make 7 more posts (don't spam!), and you'll be a Jr. Member, which allows you to PM anybody.

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August 28, 2018, 07:29:39 PM
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Thank you LoyceV for that info. When we were talking about transactions in 2010, if the coins still show up in an old  address, and they were sent to a cold wallet address, does that mean that the transaction never went through.
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August 29, 2018, 08:12:03 AM
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When we were talking about transactions in 2010, if the coins still show up in an old  address, and they were sent to a cold wallet address, does that mean that the transaction never went through.

A cold wallet is simply a wallet which is not connected to the internet in any way. And a wallet is a piece of software which manages your private- and public- keys.
Whether a transactions went trough only depends on whether it has been included into a block. It doesn't matter whether the private key to access these funds is stored offline or online.

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August 29, 2018, 04:14:06 PM
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Does anyone know how to see transactions that are good, that are not included in the main chain.
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August 30, 2018, 07:53:42 AM
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Does anyone know how to see transactions that are good, that are not included in the main chain.

Huh? If they're not included in the main chain then they don't exist. There is only one chain - the longest chain - the "main chain".

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