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December 15, 2013, 07:34:35 PM
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And even then paperwork does not take a few hours lmao.

A few hours? Are you suggesting the merchant will need 18 confirmations? Indeed, LMAO!

no 6 confirmations takes about 2-4 hours. LMAAOOOOO LEL
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December 15, 2013, 07:43:39 PM
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0 transactions will 100% be the future.  A middle man company will come out with insurance against double spending, and that's about it.  No real hard done.  Plus, I doubt any significant % of the population will be double spending.

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December 15, 2013, 07:49:49 PM
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DOUBLE SPEND ATTEMPT #3: (succeeds once and a while)

3-A.  Back at the lair, you realize that your quest for free coffee is more difficult than you actually thought.  You call up some nefarious miner that controls 30% of the global hash power.  You tell him that when you give him the signal, he should add your fraudulent transaction to his memory pool of unconfirmed transactions.  You pay your iPhone hacker to modify your app to send the evil miner a special signal when you buy your coffee.

3-B.  You go to the coffee shop and buy your coffee.  Your new app sends the signal to the evil miner that you're in cahoots with.  The miner adds your fraudulent transaction, while the real transaction propagates across the network.

3-C.  Since the evil miner controls 30% of the global hash power, your coffee is free 30% of the time.  

3-D.  Finally, you succeed!  You also decide it is a lot less work to just pay for your coffee normally...

Again great argument, you will only succeed at scamming 30% of the time lmao, what a joke this place is.

Yes, you will succeed at scamming 30% of the time for zero-confirm transactions if you are in cahoots with a nefarious bitcoin miner who controls 30% of the global hashing power and if he is willing to risk his reputation and waste his time (and multi-millions of dollars of equipment) helping you steal coffee.  

Perhaps you didn't see the hyperbole in my post: the point was to illustrate the worrying about something like this actually happening is stupid for anything but very high-value transactions.  

  




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December 15, 2013, 08:08:41 PM
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Perhaps you didn't see the hyperbole in my post: the point was to illustrate the worrying about something like this actually happening is stupid for anything but very high-value transactions.

I think it's quite clear that the OP only sees what he wants to see.

It's surprising HOW MANY people are like this though.  But you just wait and see, people's eyes will eventually be opened.  I'm still not sure if it will make it as a full blown currency, but as a store of value, I have great faith in BTC as a store of value.

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December 16, 2013, 09:12:57 AM
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And even then paperwork does not take a few hours lmao.

A few hours? Are you suggesting the merchant will need 18 confirmations? Indeed, LMAO!

no 6 confirmations takes about 2-4 hours. LMAAOOOOO LEL

The only concept behind the 6 confirmations is that the transaction is less likely to be undone that 5 confirmations. Nothing more.

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December 16, 2013, 09:57:21 AM
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dubble spending is a risk but for low cost items its might a risk worth taking.
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December 16, 2013, 10:39:22 AM
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dubble spending is a risk but for low cost items its might a risk worth taking.

^This!

For larger transactions, I think it's worth the wait!
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