{BFL} WHAT THE!! ButterflyLads WONT deliver the Monarch Till...ONLY GOD KNOWs?:(

[ChuckBuck]

[...]So from your technical and professional experience hacking these singles to death....sbogovac doesn't know what he's talking about.  

So if it's 3 Watts per GH for a Single, and an Antminer S1 is 2 Watts per GH, how is 3<2 again?

Someone has to go back to school and learn basic arithmetic.

Ehhhhh... As I said: you do have to compare the Single to the other Hardware being used back then (in 2013)...

Someone has to go back to school an learn basic reading (and interpreting) skills.

Here's some stink in your eye for reading comprehension.  You wrote this!  

Well, that's not my experience...

I waited to order the BFL Single's till they were "in stock" and I must say that the chips are superior to any other I use(-d, and I [have] use [-d] Antminer U1's, Technobit HEX16's, BFL Single's and Antminer S1's). They simply hash away more steady (less fluctuations in Hashrate), more power effective (although I really don't care because of my "all-in-office-rent") and more efficiently (less power hungry and less heat dissipation).

So - yes, I am looking forward to what chip BFL comes up with... And test results are proving to be quite interesting:

[sbogovac]

So? You're still comparing apples and oranges here Chucky... (Although prob. my Antminers use "a bit more" power [not to mention: produce a lot more heat] since I run them at 400mhz, and the Single's aren't so easily overclockable...).

[ChuckBuck]

So? You're still comparing apples and oranges here Chucky... (Although prob. my Antminers use "a bit more" power [not to mention: produce a lot more heat] since I run them at 400mhz, and the Single's aren't so easily overclockable...).

I thought we were comparing W per GH ?

Isn't that what the pretty graph was all about?

[faetos]

I think he is claiming "Artistic License" on his mathematical comparison scenarios.

[ChuckBuck]

I think he is claiming "Artistic License" on his mathematical comparison scenarios.

True, La la land.  Or better yet...Kansas.  

[sbogovac]

[...]
I thought we were comparing W per GH ?

Isn't that what the pretty graph was all about?

Yes, and then you still have to see it in its time perspective... (or do you compare specs on a 1968 Stingray to a 2013 McLaren?)

[Bicknellski]

psst...

How much will it cost in a pcb, with a psu, in a case and where is it and when will it be delivered?

mic drop.

[sbogovac]

I think he is claiming "Artistic License" on his mathematical comparison scenarios.

No, just stating you have to make a fair "time comparison" or is that too complicated for you?

Anyhow, see we ran into a "Dead horse" again... have fun!

[Bicknellski]

And how much does it cost today and if I order today when will I see it?

Sorry but fuck the graphs where is the product?

If BFL has nothing on the shelf the whole conversation here about power etc is bullshit yet again... the best chip doesn't mean squat if it isn't hashing in a customers hands. That is the issue. BFL has never done that part well. They never will and given they tried 3 times now we might want to suspect they do it on purpose. Don't buy the graph buy hardware that ships from reputable companies. DON'T BUY BFL bottomline.

[ChuckBuck]

[...]
I thought we were comparing W per GH ?

Isn't that what the pretty graph was all about?

Yes, and then you still have to see it in its time perspective... (or do you compare specs on a 1968 Stingray to a 2013 McLaren?)

Where is this pretty monarch to match the pretty graph again?

Did it fly far far away to Kansas...

[sbogovac]

You know I'm with you on this Bicknellski... (saying- once again, and especially to all the newbees out there: NEVER PRE-ORDER!)

Am just saying I am interested in seeing this final product and see the advancement in ASIC/chip technology...

But seems like anyone not being adamantly against BFL on this forum is not appreciated...

And, just for the record - AGAIN: am mining on Antminer S1's myself here... better one bird[...] et cetera...

[Bicknellski]

You know I'm with you on this Bicknellski... (saying- once again, and especially to all the newbees out there: NEVER PRE-ORDER!)

Am just saying I am interested in seeing this final product and see the advancement in ASIC/chip technology...

But seems like anyone not being adamantly against BFL on this forum is not appreciated...

Listen buddy. BFL lies to the community. If you want to support that then you are going to get backlash. There are still millions of dollars tied up and refunds are not coming to people who have asked for them. So if you are somehow not adamant about calling out BFL and their BS what are the hell are you doing?

Seriously they set power numbers they were wrong last time.
They said December 2013 it is May 2014.

If you want talk about the pretty graph great... where can this data be independently verified? Does Luke Jr. have a working unit that we don't know about yet that he "got" sitting on a BFL test bench hashing away? Listen these slimy BFL bastards had their chance to be upstanding fabricators. Let us just simply tell the truth.

They are untrustworthy. No one should buy anything from them including mining on the Eclipse pool.

Where is a REAL board doing REAL hashing? Till that is available they can keep saying the magic unicorn will hash 1 Th/s all they like. Given how long it has been now and the competition out there you don't have to wait for their unicorns.

[ChuckBuck]

You know I'm with you on this Bicknellski... (saying- once again, and especially to all the newbees out there: NEVER PRE-ORDER!)

Am just saying I am interested in seeing this final product and see the advancement in ASIC/chip technology...

But seems like anyone not being adamantly against BFL on this forum is not appreciated...

Listen buddy. BFL lies to the community. If you want to support that then you are going to get backlash. There are still millions of dollars tied up and refunds are not coming to people who have asked for them. So if you are somehow not adamant about calling out BFL and their BS what are the hell are you doing?

Seriously they set power numbers they were wrong last time.
They said December 2013 it is May 2014.

If you want talk about the pretty graph great... where can this data be independently verified? Does Luke Jr. have a working unit that we don't know about yet that he "got" sitting on a BFL test bench hashing away? Listen these slimy BFL bastards had their chance to be upstanding fabricators. Let us just simply tell the truth.

They are untrustworthy. No one should buy anything from them including mining on the Eclipse pool.

Where is a REAL board doing REAL hashing? Till that is available they can keep saying the magic unicorn will hash 1 Th/s all they like. Given how long it has been now and the competition out there you don't have to wait for their unicorns.

Not to go off topic Bicknellski, but your link for World of Marvel comes up as a virus threat by Sophos Antivirus.

I really wanted to click, since I'm watching X-Men this weekend.   

[sbogovac]

[...]Listen buddy. BFL lies to the community. If you want to support that then you are going to get backlash. There are still millions of dollars tied up and refunds are not coming to people who have asked for them. So if you are somehow not adamant about calling out BFL and their BS what are the hell are you doing?

Seriously they set power numbers they were wrong last time.
They said December 2013 it is May 2014.

If you want talk about the pretty graph great... where can this data be independently verified? Does Luke Jr. have a working unit that we don't know about yet that he "got" sitting on a BFL test bench hashing away? Listen these slimy BFL bastards had their chance to be upstanding fabricators. Let us just simply tell the truth.

They are untrustworthy. No one should buy anything from them including mining on Eclipse.

I don't see it that way, and neither should you...

How is your WASP project coming along for that matter? You've been busy with that for half a year now and got 1 testing rig... You off all people should understand the difficulty and complexity that goes into product development.

Yes, maybe they should have done some things (mainly in communication) differently in the past. But still... There's not a lot of people out there really doing this product development so maybe, just maybe, we should be a bit more patient with them before hanging them out to dry (yes, three times, I know)....

[Bicknellski]

I see it as clearly as the 6283 individuals that filed complaints with PayPal and the FTC. I see it as clearly as many of those who have joined the class action lawsuits against BFL. I see it as clearly as I need to see it and that has nothing to do with any other companies or cooperatives trying to put product out. This isn't about the WPC this isn't about SpondooliesTech or Bitmain. It is about B F L.

Again the simple facts BFL is not to be trusted. Do not buy BFL. Simple.

Ask anyone that is in the WPC or has actually done business with with personally if I am to be trusted. Then compare that with what you know about BFL. There is nothing I have to hide. BFL... they are hiding as much as they can as fast as they can. Let us keep the focus on the real problem. BFL lies and takes people's hard earned money and doesn't refund promptly or at all according to FTC rules.

[sbogovac]

I see it as clearly as the 6283 individuals that filed complaints with PayPal and the FTC. I see it as clearly as many of those who have joined the class action lawsuits against BFL. I see it as clearly as I need to see it and that has nothing to do with any other companies or cooperatives trying to put product out.

Again the simple facts BFL is not to be trusted. Do not buy BFL. Simple.

Those numbers don't mean a lot without the total picture (6283 out of how many? Anyone can file lawsuits, it's the ruling that matters. Innocent till proven guilty and all that...)

For me it's even simpler:
1. Never, EVER, pre-order; and,
2. The best product (again: on the market) gets bought (in this case best :$/Gh/W) eventually...

PS. and still curious to see this final product... eventually... 

[Bicknellski]

I see it as clearly as the 6283 individuals that filed complaints with PayPal and the FTC. I see it as clearly as many of those who have joined the class action lawsuits against BFL. I see it as clearly as I need to see it and that has nothing to do with any other companies or cooperatives trying to put product out.

Again the simple facts BFL is not to be trusted. Do not buy BFL. Simple.

Those numbers don't mean a lot without the total picture (6283 ut of how many? Anyone can file lawsuits, it's the ruling that matters. Innocent till proven guilty and all that...)

For me it's even simpler:
1. Never, EVER, pre-order; and,
2. The best product (again: on the market) gets bought (in this case best :$/Gh/W) eventually...

Let me clarify for you even further. I agree.

I would however add that BFL has NEVER EVER put out product that is NEW and off the shelf. Everything has been pre-order or pre-used. Their best product is 2x the lowest price product available off the shelf. BFL is done they were done 16 months ago. They have lied too much and scammed too much to be a player in the marketplace. There is NOTHING they can pretend to put on the drawing board next that people are going to believe is better or be able to be delivered in a 6 month less development window as that is the pace of development now if you take what Spondoolies is doing 2 chips developments at the same time.

6000 paypal complaints means just that.
283 FTC complaints means just that.

Most of that was from a year span on their 65nm chip based products. That is a SIGNIFICANT number of complaints to be filed about BFL in 18 month window. You seem to want to argue that there is some sort of reasonable explanation for that sort of volume? 300 complaints a month really?

[sbogovac]

[...]Let me clarify for you even further. I agree [edit.: with the no-pre-order-policy and best-product-of-the-shelf-buy].

I would however add that BFL has NEVER EVER put out product that is NEW and off the shelf. Everything has been pre-order or pre-used. Their best product is 2x the lowest price product available off the shelf. BFL is basic done. They have lied too much and scammed too much to be a player in the marketplace.

But this really is not my experience; I ordered my Single's in december off the shelf...

And  as I said: I - for one - truly hope they're not "done", seeing their "lying" as growing pains/miscommunication and never having seen any proof/sentence for "scamming".

So as far as I'm concerned we're too far off to ever reach a common ground here. We agree on the most important principles (no-pre-order et cetera) and agree to disagree on BFL. (Off to diner, or my wife will..

[Bicknellski]

[...]Let me clarify for you even further. I agree [edit.: with the no-pre-order-policy and best-product-of-the-shelf-buy].

I would however add that BFL has NEVER EVER put out product that is NEW and off the shelf. Everything has been pre-order or pre-used. Their best product is 2x the lowest price product available off the shelf. BFL is basic done. They have lied too much and scammed too much to be a player in the marketplace.

But this really is not my experience; I ordered my Single's in december off the shelf...

And  as I said: I - for one - truly hope they're not "done", seeing their "lying" as growing pains/miscommunication and never having seen any proof/sentence for "scamming".

So as far as I'm concerned we're too far off to ever reach a common ground here. We agree on the most important principles (no-pre-order et cetera) and agree to disagree on BFL. (Off to diner, or my wife will..

It was PRE-USED. Not new.

They are done. They can't compete with China or Spondoolies. It is over for BFL. Nothing on the drawing board now. They can't even finish a 28nm PCB and it is something that is already many times more expensive than what is available when you put in all the extra pieces that you need to get it working. Cooked. Add to that the executives are buying up real estate to protect their assets you know  this all going to come crashing down. Sonny V will be wearing prison orange again.

[RoadStress]

I don't see it that way, and neither should you...

How is your WASP project coming along for that matter? You've been busy with that for half a year now and got 1 testing rig... You off all people should understand the difficulty and complexity that goes into product development.

Yes, maybe they should have done some things (mainly in communication) differently in the past. But still... There's not a lot of people out there really doing this product development so maybe, just maybe, we should be a bit more patient with them before hanging them out to dry (yes, three times, I know)....

Are you comparing taking money for pre-orders for some unreal delivery dates with a self-funded project who never took pre-order money? Really? This is the best that you managed to spit out?

I can't figure if you are just a clone of retard Inaba or shill bcp.