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December 15, 2013, 02:01:56 PM
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Well at least we know ice isn't a shill, since there's no way HF would pay someone to make their supporters look like lunatics.

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icetard is the new Inaba and he is way more fun than retard Inaba except that icetard won't make any seppuku announcements Cheesy

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December 15, 2013, 05:00:56 PM
Last edit: December 16, 2013, 02:55:08 AM by DeathAndTaxes
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its certainly harder to calculate the cost and value of the hashfast equipment with the MPP.

Agree the prior post does a bad job because it is x GH/s for delivery in Dec/Jan and then 4x GH/s for delivery in Feb (April? May?).

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i mean, after a long period of time you get some of the pieces to make the rest of your miners, but not all the pieces, so no doubt they will happily sell you the systems with mounting screws, cooling systems, power supplies etc... for.. I'm guessing $500-1000 each, and you'll need 2 or more than them.. right?... on top of whatever free mpp gear they're going to give you.

$500 to $1000 per board?  HF would be asinine to try and charge that.  The good news is a user could simply by their own gear.  User needs to supply power supply and cooling module.  $60 per board for cooling module and if the boards use 250W to 300W ea that is 1/4th a 1250W PSU or say $80 per module.  So maybe $140 per module or $640 for four, plus some DIY case and a couple screws.  Someone would be downright stupid to pay $4,000 for that.
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December 15, 2013, 06:01:20 PM
Last edit: December 15, 2013, 06:40:51 PM by Gyrsur
 #43

HashFast is late because they promised October and failed.

HashFast promised (and still promises) delivery by Dec 31.

If HashFast's chip is "late" because it didn't ship at the earliest possible moment, so is Cointerra's.

Cointerra promised mid December and failed.

We need to sue Cointerra, because they probably knew Dec was impossible and just wanted to make extra money by lying.

STOP spreading lies around!! Angry


If you ship in December - your customers will take a bath on this.
- We wont.  And we'll protect our customer's against hashrate increases.
Expect details on Monday

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December 15, 2013, 06:48:09 PM
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$500 to $1000 per board?  HF would be asinine to try and charge that.  The good news is a user could simply by their own gear.  User needs to supply power supply and cooling module.  $60 per board for cooling module and if the boards use 250W to 300W ea that is 1/4th a 1250W PSU or say $80 per module.  So maybe $140 per module or $640 for four, plus some DIY case and a couple screws.  Someone would be downright stupid to pay $4,000 for that.

4 modules might fit comfortably into two pc chassis.  if 4 modules fitted into only one pc chassis, hashfast would already be doing it.  presumably the physical space for the radiators... and the airflow for the coolers doesn't work out well trying to cram 4 rads and 4 modules into a tower chassis, hence why they only put two into a baby jet and three (with one double decker) in a sierra, with twin atx power supplies - which is a custom case with room for the two psus.

so, two decent tower cases... $100 each?  (total $200)   if each module uses approx 1w/gh (as per their latest spec on the sales sheet from a few days ago at Inside Bitcoins conference) and each chip clocks at 500 GH... then for each two modules you need 1000 watts.   if you include the fans, pumps, psu losses, controller etc... then lets say 1200 watts should cover it.     two 1200w platinum psus approx $300 each (total $600).   two raspberry pi's (one for each chassis) with sd cards etc $50 ea (total $100).   Two Corsair H80i coolers ($100 each)  so, if you build it yourself... your cost of parts alone, with you mounting the MPP 4x modules is $1,100.   So presumably hashfast would easily get away with charging circa $1500, to offer to build it for you and save you time and hassle (and their buying power would give them a better margin than you could get from new egg).  And i suspect they could easily charge more... and many people would take it, to know it was done for them and working.

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December 15, 2013, 07:04:08 PM
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This is a decent starting point for a 4U case with 4 modules in it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219030

I guess that we should start engineering it (and not wait for HF to release it's pricing, i don't want to pay them a dime more than theirs production costs).

(just realised that this is not the HF thread)

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December 15, 2013, 07:38:14 PM
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This is a decent starting point for a 4U case with 4 modules in it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219030

I guess that we should start engineering it (and not wait for HF to release it's pricing, i don't want to pay them a dime more than theirs production costs).

(just realised that this is not the HF thread)

that one's no good.  the radiators need more than 120mm each...

probably best to not worry about the idea of putting 4 modules in a single chassis, its going to be a very tight fit and it'd be easier to stay with two chassis... s you'd need two power supplies... and lots of module space... and 4 radiator bays.   its not going to be easy to fit 4 modules and their separate coolers in one chassis...!   of course, you could do your own liquid cooling and not need 4 radiators for 4 modules and use bigger radiators shared across more than one asic (a la cointerra's design).  but they're not using standard radiators.

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December 15, 2013, 07:39:28 PM
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STOP spreading lies around!! Angry
If you ship in December - your customers will take a bath on this.
- We wont.

Uh oh. He said they won't ship in December. That must mean January shipping!

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December 15, 2013, 07:47:44 PM
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This is a decent starting point for a 4U case with 4 modules in it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219030

I guess that we should start engineering it (and not wait for HF to release it's pricing, i don't want to pay them a dime more than theirs production costs).

(just realised that this is not the HF thread)

you guys do realize that this is not the HF thread right?

o, and by the way.. whats a case? Smiley   

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December 15, 2013, 07:57:14 PM
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This is a decent starting point for a 4U case with 4 modules in it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219030

I guess that we should start engineering it (and not wait for HF to release it's pricing, i don't want to pay them a dime more than theirs production costs).

(just realised that this is not the HF thread)

you guys do realize that this is not the HF thread right?

o, and by the way.. whats a case? Smiley   

gotta have some place to mount the radiators, one per asic.  running caseless is possible but impractical.  the dc/dc converters will get very hot and you need good airflow over them...  a case makes guiding the air easier.  and mostly, a case gives you solid walls with screw holes to mount fans and radiators...

i guess this topic should probably be moved to an hf thread so the trolls can have their 'input' ;-)
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December 15, 2013, 08:05:30 PM
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hijacking of the CT thread is not OK!  Grin

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December 16, 2013, 01:08:17 AM
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you guys do realize that this is not the HF thread right?



it is now!   Cheesy

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