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December 19, 2013, 03:41:07 AM
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An asset is something that generates revenue, bitcoin does that. A stock is an asset and is speculative for the most part people invest in stocks for capital gain, but that is fine if you want to call it a commodity instead of an asset so long as you dont call it currency which it clearly is not.
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December 19, 2013, 05:08:30 AM
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An asset is something that generates revenue, bitcoin does that.

Bitcoin does not generate revenue.  Bitcoin goes up and down in market value, that is quite different.

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 A stock is an asset and is speculative for the most part people invest in stocks for capital gain,

While a stock is often a speculative investment vehicle, stocks are (at the core) contractual evidence that you own a definable piece of a business venture; which (presumedly) exists to turn a profit.  It's the profit that makes the stock an asset, not it's speculative nature.

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but that is fine if you want to call it a commodity instead of an asset


Nor is it a commodity, because it has no non-monetary utility.  No one desires to aquire bitcoins for their own sake, but to spend or sell them at a later date.  You can't really do anything else with them, at least not yet.  (Colored coins might change that analysis later)

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 so long as you dont call it currency which it clearly is not.

Bitcoin is a currency, as I noted in the "bitcoin is not a currency" thread on several occasions.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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December 19, 2013, 05:23:30 AM
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An asset is something that generates revenue, bitcoin does that.

Bitcoin does not generate revenue.  Bitcoin goes up and down in market value, that is quite different.

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 A stock is an asset and is speculative for the most part people invest in stocks for capital gain,

While a stock is often a speculative investment vehicle, stocks are (at the core) contractual evidence that you own a definable piece of a business venture; which (presumedly) exists to turn a profit.  It's the profit that makes the stock an asset, not it's speculative nature.

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but that is fine if you want to call it a commodity instead of an asset


Nor is it a commodity, because it has no non-monetary utility.  No one desires to aquire bitcoins for their own sake, but to spend or sell them at a later date.  You can't really do anything else with them, at least not yet.  (Colored coins might change that analysis later)

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 so long as you dont call it currency which it clearly is not.

Bitcoin is a currency, as I noted in the "bitcoin is not a currency" thread on several occasions.


Bullshit!
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December 19, 2013, 05:37:33 AM
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An asset is something that generates revenue, bitcoin does that.

Bitcoin does not generate revenue.  Bitcoin goes up and down in market value, that is quite different.

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 A stock is an asset and is speculative for the most part people invest in stocks for capital gain,

While a stock is often a speculative investment vehicle, stocks are (at the core) contractual evidence that you own a definable piece of a business venture; which (presumedly) exists to turn a profit.  It's the profit that makes the stock an asset, not it's speculative nature.

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but that is fine if you want to call it a commodity instead of an asset


Nor is it a commodity, because it has no non-monetary utility.  No one desires to aquire bitcoins for their own sake, but to spend or sell them at a later date.  You can't really do anything else with them, at least not yet.  (Colored coins might change that analysis later)

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 so long as you dont call it currency which it clearly is not.

Bitcoin is a currency, as I noted in the "bitcoin is not a currency" thread on several occasions.


Bullshit!

Just because you say it, does not make it so.  Challenge my reasoning, accept that I'm correct, or fade away.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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December 19, 2013, 07:06:31 AM
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The major effect deflation will have on BTC is price instability.
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