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May 13, 2018, 05:32:22 PM
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I had an idea how to increase the amount of a common Merit, by reducing inactive accounts.
Perhaps you will not agree with me, but how can you look at accounts that have 1000 merit, but the last time in the network were back in 2016?
How about everything will work:
  If you do not log in for 2 months - minus 10 Merits
  If you do not write posts, within 2 months - minus 10 Merits
Where will Merit go? It will be distributed among people close to the administration, who will subsequently hand out it for useful topics.
Of course, this issue will need to be finalized, but what do you say about this idea? If you agree, what rules would you add?
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May 13, 2018, 05:37:32 PM
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NO.

They earnt their ranks. They can keep them can't they?

Minus 10 merit for not posting in 2 weeks just promotes spam also - excatly what we are trying to avoid.
And there there'll be services of "pay to keep your account active".

Merit is unlimited, if theymos wanted to increase the amount of source merits avaliable, he just has to hit a button on his admin tab.

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May 13, 2018, 05:39:22 PM
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Nope, the current merit system is already great for me. Merit sources + additional merit sources will address this issue.

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May 13, 2018, 05:47:34 PM
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I read somewhere on the forum that if you do not login or make any post here for 3 months , the account is deleted. Can someone confirm this as I could not find anything official about this.

Regarding your suggestion OP, current ranking up is based on both activity and merits. It might be implemented for higher ranks though.
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May 13, 2018, 05:51:05 PM
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I read somewhere on the forum that if you do not login or make any post here for 3 months , the account is deleted. Can someone confirm this as I could not find anything official about this.
If you don't login for three months, your account gets locked. It does not get deleted, ACCOUNTS NEVER get deleted under normal circumstances/ without the owner's request and signature.

Similarly, the owner needs to sign to say that they want their account to be unlocked. The main way to do this is to sign a staked address/another public key.

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May 13, 2018, 06:04:12 PM
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This is insane. It is not easy to earn merit yet it is not an impossible things too. But having a chance to be demeritted when you dont active for 2 months is insane and not the idea we are looking for merit system now. Merit system itself is already a great system for me, but if i would add something, it would be to increase the number of merit sources, but it is hard to find a person who are worthy of that job.
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May 13, 2018, 06:09:49 PM
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This is insane. It is not easy to earn merit yet it is not an impossible things too. But having a chance to be demeritted when you dont active for 2 months is insane and not the idea we are looking for merit system now. Merit system itself is already a great system for me, but if i would add something, it would be to increase the number of merit sources, but it is hard to find a person who are worthy of that job.
I agree, I have a lot of interesting posts (not discussions), but I have lost motivation, when they go unnoticed under a lot of discussions. Therefore, it would not be bad to add one more variant of receiving merit for posts
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May 13, 2018, 06:19:03 PM
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I think you are confusing Merit and sMerit in your post, and understanding the difference is vital to deploy any concerning ideas. You are probably talking about sMerit and confusing the merit obtained with the available sMerit. If that is the issue, then you need to go back to the drawing board after learning to differentiate them.

On the sMerit decrease by decay or else there are some threads that have approached the issue, but I’m not going to refloat them now. Search for them, and reformulated knowing what is what and why first.

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May 13, 2018, 06:21:33 PM
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I think you are confusing Merit and sMerit in your post, and understanding the difference is vital to deploy any concerning ideas. You are probably talking about sMerit and confusing the merit obtained with the available sMerit. If that is the issue, then you need to go back to the drawing board after learning to differentiate them.

On the sMerit decrease by decay or else there are some threads that have approached the issue, but I’m not going to refloat them now. Search for them, and reformulated knowing what is what and why first.
I meant that Merit, which takes away from inactive users will turn into a sMerit, which you can already send.
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May 13, 2018, 06:36:06 PM
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I read somewhere on the forum that if you do not login or make any post here for 3 months , the account is deleted. Can someone confirm this as I could not find anything official about this.
If you don't login for three months, your account gets locked. It does not get deleted, ACCOUNTS NEVER get deleted under normal circumstances/ without the owner's request and signature.

Similarly, the owner needs to sign to say that they want their account to be unlocked. The main way to do this is to sign a staked address/another public key.

Where did you read that accounts get locked after three months of inactivity? I know that accounts which tried to log in after years of inactivity, after the 2015 hack get locked, but I haven't read anything else.
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May 13, 2018, 06:38:24 PM
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I had an idea how to increase the amount of a common Merit, by reducing inactive accounts.

There is no need to take merit away from some members in order to have more sMerit to distribute to activet forum users. Merit and sMerit are not capped, Theymos can create (if necessary ) hundred of sources or grant the actual ones thousands of smerits a month.

Perhaps you will not agree with me, but how can you look at accounts that have 1000 merit, but the last time in the network were back in 2016?
How about everything will work:
  If you do not log in for 2 months - minus 10 Merits
  If you do not write posts, within 2 months - minus 10 Merits

I don't understand what's the obsession with the merit or rank of others...
It bothers you that much that an old, now inactive account has 1000 merit?
Leave the guy alone, he earned his rank fair and square by the rules at that time.

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May 13, 2018, 07:48:40 PM
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I had an idea how to increase the amount of a common Merit, by reducing inactive accounts.
Perhaps you will not agree with me, but how can you look at accounts that have 1000 merit, but the last time in the network were back in 2016?
How about everything will work:
  If you do not log in for 2 months - minus 10 Merits
  If you do not write posts, within 2 months - minus 10 Merits
Where will Merit go? It will be distributed among people close to the administration, who will subsequently hand out it for useful topics.
Of course, this issue will need to be finalized, but what do you say about this idea? If you agree, what rules would you add?

Are you talking about merit or sMerit? Deducting merit would not be a good idea, but deducting sMerit if they're just sitting there, then that's a different story. Tho, I'm not for sMerit reduction due to inactivity.
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Nope, the current merit system is already great for me. Merit sources + additional merit sources will address this issue.
Ditto, I think the system needs time to do what it's going to do--shitposters are going to get sick of stagnating at Jr. Member, earning pennies for bounties because they can't earn enough merits to rank up.  Already the merit system has put the kabosh on account farmers easily ranking up dozens (or more) accounts just with activity and time, and that's a huge positive. 

As I've said a million times, it's not supposed to be easy to earn merit and I don't think any tweaks are necessary that entail taking sMerits or whatever away from members who aren't active.  That would just add unneeded complexity and would, as mentioned, promote more frequent posting that would probably manifest itself as spam.

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May 13, 2018, 08:02:11 PM
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I read somewhere on the forum that if you do not login or make any post here for 3 months , the account is deleted. Can someone confirm this as I could not find anything official about this.
If you don't login for three months, your account gets locked. It does not get deleted, ACCOUNTS NEVER get deleted under normal circumstances/ without the owner's request and signature.

Similarly, the owner needs to sign to say that they want their account to be unlocked. The main way to do this is to sign a staked address/another public key.

Where did you read that accounts get locked after three months of inactivity? I know that accounts which tried to log in after years of inactivity, after the 2015 hack get locked, but I haven't read anything else.

I thought that there was a default for smf of 3-6 months, maybe I've just imagined it. It might be the 2015 hack and something I have just picked up from then and reused now if people assumed it was three months at that point.

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May 13, 2018, 08:05:13 PM
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I don't understand what's the obsession with the merit or rank of others...
It bothers you that much that an old, now inactive account has 1000 merit?
Leave the guy alone, he earned his rank fair and square by the rules at that time.


Could not agree more with you. If only people put that obsession into making merits for themselves, they would get so much merits and will find that merits is not that impossible to get, and everybody in this forum live happily ever after.
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May 13, 2018, 08:19:44 PM
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I don't understand what's the obsession with the merit or rank of others...
It bothers you that much that an old, now inactive account has 1000 merit?
Leave the guy alone, he earned his rank fair and square by the rules at that time.


Exactly. People should worry about getting merits and ranking up, not the ranks of others.
The merit system is working as designed - preventing the hoardes of accounts being registered from ranking up by default.
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May 13, 2018, 08:28:25 PM
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This is not true, why should people be encouraged to visit the forum? Much less write. If a person has registered for a long time, and comes to the forum just read the information he needs, and then he also has to write. Theymos can increase the amount of merit by increasing the number of sources of merit.
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May 13, 2018, 09:51:10 PM
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I think you must get a life/job before creating an idea like that. You know that it's very unfair for those who reach the high rank, who put an effort and participated the discussion when the new generation is not still coming. I must say that there are huge differences between the new one and the old.

You must know first why does theymos create the merit system on this forum. Reducing inactive accounts is not a good solution thus maintaining the good quality topics will make things better and the last one, MERITS IS NOT THE MAIN THING HERE! you'll reduce accounts because of merits? lmao you're too obsessed with it..

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May 13, 2018, 10:48:50 PM
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WTF. are you jealous that those inactive accounts have hero or legendary status and they have 1000 merit? dude they just earned that rank and they deserved when the merit system isn't a thing way back then so leave them alone and besides those accounts had contributions than you did OP. last thing if weren't spammers in this forum merit system wouldn't be created so it's our fault that we must carry.
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May 13, 2018, 10:51:33 PM
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Oh no......
I strongly disagree with this idea what's on your mind it's a very unfair thing for members who already get their merit either because they have joined old or new
merit is not something that the members are concerned about because they will get it if they are not spam
if the system you are thinking of in your application is too greedy to get rid of other members
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May 14, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
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I had an idea how to increase the amount of a common Merit, by reducing inactive accounts.
Perhaps you will not agree with me, but how can you look at accounts that have 1000 merit, but the last time in the network were back in 2016?
How about everything will work:
  If you do not log in for 2 months - minus 10 Merits
  If you do not write posts, within 2 months - minus 10 Merits
So a person who has gained their activity across this long period will lose their activity and rank and then when they come back they will be horrified to see what happened to their account. If this some sort of revenge that you people are trying to administer because you people are not gaining merits yourself?

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Where will Merit go? It will be distributed among people close to the administration, who will subsequently hand out it for useful topics.
Let them be as it is. Waste of time it would be.

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Of course, this issue will need to be finalized, but what do you say about this idea? If you agree, what rules would you add?
No rules need to be added because you made this thread just like 1000 other merit crybabies do every morning trying to squeeze some merit from the sources.

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May 14, 2018, 03:35:19 PM
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Nope, the current merit system is already great for me. Merit sources + additional merit sources will address this issue.
Ditto, I think the system needs time to do what it's going to do--shitposters are going to get sick of stagnating at Jr. Member, earning pennies for bounties because they can't earn enough merits to rank up.  Already the merit system has put the kabosh on account farmers easily ranking up dozens (or more) accounts just with activity and time, and that's a huge positive. 

As I've said a million times, it's not supposed to be easy to earn merit and I don't think any tweaks are necessary that entail taking sMerits or whatever away from members who aren't active.  That would just add unneeded complexity and would, as mentioned, promote more frequent posting that would probably manifest itself as spam.

Those shit posts make browsing the forum difficult for other people. So , you cannot just let them keep making those shit posts. There should be some permanent solution to this problem as merit system has failed to solve this issue completely.

Most of the websites that give rankings based on points look for recently obtained points instead of total points. So this can be done here as well.

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May 14, 2018, 05:34:09 PM
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Activity and Merit are earnt by them. We don't need to agree with that. It would be better if they're merit sources that are automated to send merit to a good quality posts.
My suggestion goes this way.
If one user posted a good quality post and enough to be merited but no one sees it the post will not be merited unlike their is an Autonated Merit Sender (AMS) for everg user. If I posted a good quality post and it is meritorous the Automated Merit Sender will send to me because I made a good quality post and enough to be merited.
Every user should have this called AMS.
There  are 1704250 accounts here and ¼ of it isn't in a good hand or not used.
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May 14, 2018, 05:46:30 PM
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Activity and Merit are earnt by them. We don't need to agree with that. It would be better if they're merit sources that are automated to send merit to a good quality posts.
My suggestion goes this way.
If one user posted a good quality post and enough to be merited but no one sees it the post will not be merited unlike their is an Autonated Merit Sender (AMS) for everg user. If I posted a good quality post and it is meritorous the Automated Merit Sender will send to me because I made a good quality post and enough to be merited.
Every user should have this called AMS.
There  are 1704250 accounts here and ¼ of it isn't in a good hand or not used.

how to determine either your post is on good quality or it's on below ?
if it's only based on how much characters/letters that you used on your post , this thing can be easily abused


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May 14, 2018, 07:08:07 PM
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Your approach won't work. You can't mandate people who are on vacation or people who are really busy with other life pressing issues to come here and keep making posts everyday. Everyone's account is theirs irrespective of when last they logged on to it. It's just like saying Twitter should deactivate every account that doesn't make tweets over a given period of time.
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Activity and Merit are earnt by them. We don't need to agree with that. It would be better if they're merit sources that are automated to send merit to a good quality posts.
My suggestion goes this way.
If one user posted a good quality post and enough to be merited but no one sees it the post will not be merited unlike their is an Autonated Merit Sender (AMS) for everg user. If I posted a good quality post and it is meritorous the Automated Merit Sender will send to me because I made a good quality post and enough to be merited.
Every user should have this called AMS.
There  are 1704250 accounts here and ¼ of it isn't in a good hand or not used.

The previous ranking system was based on activity. Lets say people got activity from posting and then every fortnight their activity increased automatically. What you are suggesting is that we convert the merit system into another metric of "activity" and every shitposter in the forum will be getting activity (oops I mean Merit) for posting and there will nobody to judge whether those posts were actually worth reading or simply vomiteposted shitposts.

Nice way to say that you are actually supporting removal of the merit system by making up an idea which is nothing but the activity metric in other words.

If bots were to become merit sources - who would be the judge?  Roll Eyes

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May 15, 2018, 02:53:49 PM
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I had an idea how to increase the amount of a common Merit, by reducing inactive accounts.
Perhaps you will not agree with me, but how can you look at accounts that have 1000 merit, but the last time in the network were back in 2016?
How about everything will work:
  If you do not log in for 2 months - minus 10 Merits
  If you do not write posts, within 2 months - minus 10 Merits
Where will Merit go? It will be distributed among people close to the administration, who will subsequently hand out it for useful topics.
Of course, this issue will need to be finalized, but what do you say about this idea? If you agree, what rules would you add?
You're just imposing more spammer rather than a healthy discussion in the forum. This could only promote more non-sense topics that would not really help in the community. Being away from keyboard is not a basis for deMerit. What if I want a vacation out of the city for two months? That would not be a basis for deMerit be everyone deserves their merits base on quality of the post and not for being idle alone.

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They've earned their rank because of "early adopters." It may seems unfair but this is how things work in real life. I never bitching about merit since I know it's their privilege, and if you don't like you can create your own forum. You can fork from block x or create genesis from block 0.. ooopss

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May 15, 2018, 08:50:35 PM
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They've earned their rank because of "early adopters." It may seems unfair but this is how things work in real life. I never bitching about merit since I know it's their privilege, and if you don't like you can create your own forum. You can fork from block x or create genesis from block 0.. ooopss

That's true. The early adopters to Bitcoin got a hefty amount of them, though they weren't worth that much at the time - they still had that. We're not all requesting that the 18 million bitcoins already mined are considered null and void if they haven't been moved in a while.

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May 16, 2018, 10:41:46 AM
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Your idea isn't that bad but the thing is it isn't that good too that it will be put into action by the Admin. If you say if a person isn't logging in his account for quite some time, his/her merit decays, there can be circumstances where due to the pressure of a situation he/she isn't able to login into their respective account. Someday some other person would pop out of somewhere and say if a person doesn't log in for an even longer time his account gets deleted and that isn't possible in the first place I guess and second, it is INSANE.
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but sometimes good topic and useful cant get a merit

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