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August 04, 2017, 11:53:37 AM
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I don't think theymos will ever lower the current donator ranks and has previously stated it wouldn't be fair,  but that's not to say there couldn't be additional ranks which would be pegged to fiat. When I initially proposed it he seemed to think it could be a good idea but I've brought it up several times recently with no response which is a shame because I think it could severely restrict or even stop account farming if bigger signatures were included in the perks.

You are in a bitcoin forum, and having some perks from any donation measured on a static fiat value (even if you donated bitcoins) would be nonsensical, might as well create a fiattalk forum too. And again, the donation required to attain these perks wouldn't be lowered in any way as again it could be a cheaper gateway to scam from other users of the forum.

Also, why would lowering the donations restrict account farming in any way? Idk how will it be possible.

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August 04, 2017, 12:08:23 PM
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I don't think theymos will ever lower the current donator ranks and has previously stated it wouldn't be fair,  but that's not to say there couldn't be additional ranks which would be pegged to fiat. When I initially proposed it he seemed to think it could be a good idea but I've brought it up several times recently with no response which is a shame because I think it could severely restrict or even stop account farming if bigger signatures were included in the perks.

You are in a bitcoin forum, and having some perks from any donation measured on a static fiat value (even if you donated bitcoins) would be nonsensical, might as well create a fiattalk forum too. And again, the donation required to attain these perks wouldn't be lowered in any way as again it could be a cheaper gateway to scam from other users of the forum.

Also, why would lowering the donations restrict account farming in any way? Idk how will it be possible.

Lol, c'mon. Seriously? It's nonsensical not to peg it to fiat. Do you really want another situation where it costs tens of thousands to donate (or if the price falls it being much cheaper)? No. The current situation with donator ranks is ridiculous and if it was pegged to fiat then we wouldn't have this problem. Pegging to fiat is the only way to do this and everything here doesn't have to be in a static bitcoin value. Do you buy hardware wallets or anything else in a fixed btc value? No. Pretty much every place you use bitcoin pegs the value to fiat because it's illogical to set a fixed bitcoin price for obvious reasons.

And it will stop account farming if signature sizes are removed from ranks and the only way you can get a signature is to pay for it. It will also stop people having dozens or hundreds of accounts without paying the fee. People farm dozens and in some cases hundreds of accounts because it's absolutely free to do so and this is why we have people botting and farming accounts en mass. They then join lazy alt coin campaigns because they can easily exploit them to rank up their accounts and get paid in the process. If you have to pay $50 or whatever for a signature then these people would be severely restricted in the amount of accounts they can have. It also essentially stops account sales because it would be pointless buying them.

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August 05, 2017, 08:26:05 AM
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I don't think theymos will ever lower the current donator ranks and has previously stated it wouldn't be fair,  but that's not to say there couldn't be additional ranks which would be pegged to fiat. When I initially proposed it he seemed to think it could be a good idea but I've brought it up several times recently with no response which is a shame because I think it could severely restrict or even stop account farming if bigger signatures were included in the perks.

You are in a bitcoin forum, and having some perks from any donation measured on a static fiat value (even if you donated bitcoins) would be nonsensical, might as well create a fiattalk forum too. And again, the donation required to attain these perks wouldn't be lowered in any way as again it could be a cheaper gateway to scam from other users of the forum.

Also, why would lowering the donations restrict account farming in any way? Idk how will it be possible.

Lol, c'mon. Seriously? It's nonsensical not to peg it to fiat. Do you really want another situation where it costs tens of thousands to donate (or if the price falls it being much cheaper)? No. The current situation with donator ranks is ridiculous and if it was pegged to fiat then we wouldn't have this problem. Pegging to fiat is the only way to do this and everything here doesn't have to be in a static bitcoin value. Do you buy hardware wallets or anything else in a fixed btc value? No. Pretty much every place you use bitcoin pegs the value to fiat because it's illogical to set a fixed bitcoin price for obvious reasons.

And it will stop account farming if signature sizes are removed from ranks and the only way you can get a signature is to pay for it. It will also stop people having dozens or hundreds of accounts without paying the fee. People farm dozens and in some cases hundreds of accounts because it's absolutely free to do so and this is why we have people botting and farming accounts en mass. They then join lazy alt coin campaigns because they can easily exploit them to rank up their accounts and get paid in the process. If you have to pay $50 or whatever for a signature then these people would be severely restricted in the amount of accounts they can have. It also essentially stops account sales because it would be pointless buying them.

Not pegging the donator rank to fiat is about the most ridiculous thing I have ever encountered!

Should I get donator rank on bitcointalk, or should I buy a modest home in a small town in the USA?  I'm pretty sure the original donator members didn't have to make that choice  - it was probably should I get donator rank on bitcointalk or buy my GF a nice dinner.

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August 05, 2017, 09:39:59 AM
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I don't think theymos will ever lower the current donator ranks and has previously stated it wouldn't be fair,  but that's not to say there couldn't be additional ranks which would be pegged to fiat. When I initially proposed it he seemed to think it could be a good idea but I've brought it up several times recently with no response which is a shame because I think it could severely restrict or even stop account farming if bigger signatures were included in the perks.

You are in a bitcoin forum, and having some perks from any donation measured on a static fiat value (even if you donated bitcoins) would be nonsensical, might as well create a fiattalk forum too. And again, the donation required to attain these perks wouldn't be lowered in any way as again it could be a cheaper gateway to scam from other users of the forum.

Also, why would lowering the donations restrict account farming in any way? Idk how will it be possible.

Lol, c'mon. Seriously? It's nonsensical not to peg it to fiat. Do you really want another situation where it costs tens of thousands to donate (or if the price falls it being much cheaper)? No. The current situation with donator ranks is ridiculous and if it was pegged to fiat then we wouldn't have this problem. Pegging to fiat is the only way to do this and everything here doesn't have to be in a static bitcoin value. Do you buy hardware wallets or anything else in a fixed btc value? No. Pretty much every place you use bitcoin pegs the value to fiat because it's illogical to set a fixed bitcoin price for obvious reasons.

And it will stop account farming if signature sizes are removed from ranks and the only way you can get a signature is to pay for it. It will also stop people having dozens or hundreds of accounts without paying the fee. People farm dozens and in some cases hundreds of accounts because it's absolutely free to do so and this is why we have people botting and farming accounts en mass. They then join lazy alt coin campaigns because they can easily exploit them to rank up their accounts and get paid in the process. If you have to pay $50 or whatever for a signature then these people would be severely restricted in the amount of accounts they can have. It also essentially stops account sales because it would be pointless buying them.

So you mean to say that we are going to overhaul the system just to make sigs available only to whoever donates? Roll Eyes

First, this forum is for bitcoin and not fiat. If you don't like the idea of getting extra perks in your account by donating 10 or 50 bitcoins, then why bother? It's been there for years now and hasn't changed a bit. Again, my argument still stands: lowering down the donation into couple hundreds of dollars would be a cheap gateway for scammers to gain trust and scam people.  Second, the donation isn't going down the drain if that also bothers you; it is used to pay the staffs of the forum plus to keep this forum up and receive further development which is in the works. Third, the sig spam you say can easily be prevented by the managers of these campaign. This forum openly accepts ads to be placed on its pages, but the signature advertising should be handled by their campaign managers to reduce spam. This forum is an avenue for advertising bitcoin-related services to help the ecosystem stimulate (but I agree that it has been a mess ever since signature campaigns allow people to join even if their profile clearly is a mess, no offense).

Should I get donator rank on bitcointalk, or should I buy a modest home in a small town in the USA?  I'm pretty sure the original donator members didn't have to make that choice  - it was probably should I get donator rank on bitcointalk or buy my GF a nice dinner.

No one here in this forum has ever persuaded anyone to donate. Most people are paying thousands of dollars for some colorful pixels in games (I'm guilty of that), so why not a few, rich people who can afford it?

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August 05, 2017, 10:53:39 AM
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i think now with 50 btc you can buy the entire forum lol


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August 05, 2017, 11:41:46 AM
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So you mean to say that we are going to overhaul the system just to make sigs available only to whoever donates? Roll Eyes

It needs an overhaul because the forum is overrun with barely coherent spam. Do you have a better idea how to stop armies of illiterate third world shitposters who have no interest or knowledge of bitcoin other than they can make some money here from having dozens to hundreds of accounts regurgitating the same shit one after the other or copy and pasting content just to bleed poorly run campaigns for all they're worth?

First, this forum is for bitcoin and not fiat.

Again, stop repeating this like it's relevant to anything. I'm not advocating paying in fiat. You pay in bitcoin. Pegged to fiat. Can you explain the logical reason why you have to pay in a constantly fluctuating decimal btc value that never changes? It is nonsensical to donate 10-50 bitcoins hence why next to nobody is going to be stupid enough to do it. If those ranks were pegged to fiat then countless people would still be donating today and not complaining about how ridiculous the price is to donate.

It's been there for years now and hasn't changed a bit.

It wouldn't need to have been changed if the amount was pegged to fiat. It also hasn't changed because theymos feels it's unfair to those who originally donated. If there were additional ranks then this wouldn't be an issue.

Again, my argument still stands: lowering down the donation into couple hundreds of dollars would be a cheap gateway for scammers to gain trust and scam people.
 

Why would having some sort of additional ranks magically make you ripe for scamming? Why aren't you making the same argument for removing forum ranks because Hero and Legendary accounts can use their titles to scam? If people are dumb enough to get scammed because they have donated to get a meaningless title then that's their problem and we can't be expected to babysit every kid here.   

Second, the donation isn't going down the drain if that also bothers you

Money is going down the drain because nobody is donating anything so there's nothing to even go down the drain. This forum has just created a monster by having signatures linked to ranks because it has created a black market for account farming and hacked accounts. If you had to donate for a signature then that money would go to the forum instead of some shitposting account farmer or scummy hacker.

it is used to pay the staffs of the forum plus to keep this forum up and receive further development which is in the works.

What donations? Nobody is donating because of the ridiculous price but it's ad sales not donations that pay the staff.

Third, the sig spam you say can easily be prevented by the managers of these campaign. This forum openly accepts ads to be placed on its pages, but the signature advertising should be handled by their campaign managers to reduce spam.

Haha. Easily. Can it? It's not easy to get campaign managers to do their job (and most crapcoins don't even have a manager). Go tell all the poorly run Alt campaign managers how to run their campaigns and see what response you get. You won't get one because they're too  lazy to run their campaigns in the first place. 9/10 Alt coin campaigns do absolutely nothing about spam and will gladly accept and pay anyone and this includes people with 200 accounts repeating the same crap post after post.

No one here in this forum has ever persuaded anyone to donate. Most people are paying thousands of dollars for some colorful pixels in games (I'm guilty of that), so why not a few, rich people who can afford it?

It's not about being persuaded. And It's more than a few thousand dollars. Cheapest rank will currently cost you over £20k right now (sorry am I not allowed to mention the fiat value seeing as this is a bitcoin forum Roll Eyes) .

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August 05, 2017, 03:26:32 PM
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I disagree with pegging to fiat because fiat itself is not constant - it mostly devalues over time. The value paid for a certain rank should not get lower over time. E.g. $500 USD in 2011 is worth maybe $800 USD today when priced in terms of groceries or real estate.
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August 06, 2017, 05:11:35 AM
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I disagree with pegging to fiat because fiat itself is not constant - it mostly devalues over time. The value paid for a certain rank should not get lower over time. E.g. $500 USD in 2011 is worth maybe $800 USD today when priced in terms of groceries or real estate.
Inflation has cumulatively run about 8.9% over that time period. So $500 in 2011 would cost about $544 today.

On the other hand, if the 10 BTC that someone may have donated in August 2011 was worth in the $120 range then, and would be worth ~$32,000 today.

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https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html

The Bitcoin Forum is a website meant to host free discussion of Bitcoin and related topics. It is operated mainly as a service to the community, and the vast majority of income after expenses is either saved for future expenses or reinvested into the forum or the community. The forum was started in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto, the original creator of Bitcoin. It is now managed by theymos, BadBear, Cyrus, and a dedicated team of moderators. Forum finances are managed by theymos.

Several things come to mind straight away. If the real Satoshi Nakamoto started this forum in 2009, did the present administrators get hold of it without interacting with Satoshi? If they had direct dealings with Satoshi then maybe Satoshi can be identified. And how did these present administrators get hold of the forum? Was donated to them or did they buy it? Anyone who knows please post here.

Wow... this forum is very lucrative for the present administrators. They have received thousands of bitcoins in donations! The number of donors listed here show it: https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html


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Several things come to mind straight away. If the real Satoshi Nakamoto started this forum in 2009, did the present administrators get hold of it without interacting with Satoshi?

No. There was also Sirius which helped Satoshi immensely with the Bitcoin project in 2009. My knowledge on the history is limited because I was new at the time, but I believe they both trusted theymos to take care of it in 2010. Sirius gave control of the domains to Cobra. theymos and Cyrus run the forum now. That link appears to be a bit behind the times as BadBear isn't an administrator anymore, he doesn't appear to be even a moderator. He last posted in late 2016 and his account was last active on here in spring 2017.

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If they had direct dealings with Satoshi then maybe Satoshi can be identified. And how did these present administrators get hold of the forum?

Satoshi left the project over 7 years ago and there's no point in identifying him anymore. Sirius, who was responsible for porting the code to Linux and getting a lot of early interest (even more than Satoshi) eventually decided to leave the project in the hands of those who were interested in taking it further. The forum grew a lot from 2010 to 2013 and even though the signal to noise ratio hasn't always been the best, theymos and Cyrus have done a great job given the limitations of the software. theymos also runs the subreddit which has grown quite well over the years.

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Was donated to them or did they buy it? Anyone who knows please post here.

It wasn't donated or purchased. Responsibility was transferred to them. Responsibility is NOT a donation, it comes with requirements. One doesn't simply "purchase" responsibility.

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Wow... this forum is very lucrative for the present administrators. They have received thousands of bitcoins in donations!

A significant portion of forum funding was used for development of a new forum. At present, the donation address only has 162.64 BTC. Inflows of ad revenue I believe mostly pay the moderators. It's not much but it's better than nothing. Also, there's likely to be future developments and moderation required, and it is important that there is enough funding for decades (if not centuries) of perpetuation of the community, mods, admins, etc. "lucrative" is a loaded word in the context you used.

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https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html

The Bitcoin Forum is a website meant to host free discussion of Bitcoin and related topics. It is operated mainly as a service to the community, and the vast majority of income after expenses is either saved for future expenses or reinvested into the forum or the community. The forum was started in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto, the original creator of Bitcoin. It is now managed by theymos, BadBear, Cyrus, and a dedicated team of moderators. Forum finances are managed by theymos.

Several things come to mind straight away. If the real Satoshi Nakamoto started this forum in 2009, did the present administrators get hold of it without interacting with Satoshi? If they had direct dealings with Satoshi then maybe Satoshi can be identified. And how did these present administrators get hold of the forum? Was donated to them or did they buy it? Anyone who knows please post here.

Wow... this forum is very lucrative for the present administrators. They have received thousands of bitcoins in donations! The number of donors listed here show it: https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html




I was thinking about the same exact thing!
What did theymos do to obtain Satoshi's trust? What did he to deserve this forum? Why Satoshi gave this forum to him?

I think theymos should say what happened in those days when Satoshi left this forum forever, in order to add more transparency to this forum...

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August 22, 2017, 05:29:10 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html

The Bitcoin Forum is a website meant to host free discussion of Bitcoin and related topics. It is operated mainly as a service to the community, and the vast majority of income after expenses is either saved for future expenses or reinvested into the forum or the community. The forum was started in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto, the original creator of Bitcoin. It is now managed by theymos, BadBear, Cyrus, and a dedicated team of moderators. Forum finances are managed by theymos.

Several things come to mind straight away. If the real Satoshi Nakamoto started this forum in 2009, did the present administrators get hold of it without interacting with Satoshi? If they had direct dealings with Satoshi then maybe Satoshi can be identified. And how did these present administrators get hold of the forum? Was donated to them or did they buy it? Anyone who knows please post here.

Wow... this forum is very lucrative for the present administrators. They have received thousands of bitcoins in donations! The number of donors listed here show it: https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html


This is totally unnecessary. Focus on what you came here for and let the great guys do their jobs. 162 Bitcoin is incredibly small compare

I was thinking about the same exact thing!
What did theymos do to obtain Satoshi's trust? What did he to deserve this forum? Why Satoshi gave this forum to him?

I think theymos should say what happened in those days when Satoshi left this forum forever, in order to add more transparency to this forum...

Focus on what brought you here and let the great  administrators continue doing their excellent jobs.  
162 Bitcoin is incredibly small compare to the quality of services they render to the forum and Bitcoin.
Wish they could dedicate a special day every year to raise more funds.
This is arguably the best forum & possibly the best website on the Internet.

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August 23, 2017, 01:11:43 PM
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I just seen the "News: Please donate!". I can't donate 10 BTC, but I will donate 1 BTC to show my appreciation, I'm mining off one card, and trying to save for a second card, even one btc is hurting me.

Sending, just for record it will be from 1D4HfK1km47E77f1w8syKHjPghNQQz8djc

Wow you sent 1BTC worth $4000?

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I just seen the "News: Please donate!". I can't donate 10 BTC, but I will donate 1 BTC to show my appreciation, I'm mining off one card, and trying to save for a second card, even one btc is hurting me.

Sending, just for record it will be from 12NcNYb2oEh6ANo95AakEjPqQdgbcxh4m9 .

I just seen the "News: Please donate!". I can't donate 10 BTC, but I will donate 1 BTC to show my appreciation, I'm mining off one card, and trying to save for a second card, even one btc is hurting me.

Sending, just for record it will be from 1D4HfK1km47E77f1w8syKHjPghNQQz8djc

Serious?
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August 29, 2017, 12:23:53 AM
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I just seen the "News: Please donate!". I can't donate 10 BTC, but I will donate 1 BTC to show my appreciation, I'm mining off one card, and trying to save for a second card, even one btc is hurting me.

Sending, just for record it will be from 1D4HfK1km47E77f1w8syKHjPghNQQz8djc


Hmmmm. Oddly similar to a post on the first page back in 2011. By similar, I mean exactly the same...!!!

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August 31, 2017, 02:25:11 AM
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It is a fact that the value of Bitcoin has risen sharply since 2011. But Bitcointalk also gained value and presence. Considering that AMN and discussion of Altcoin is performed, easy cut is also a risk of fraud. If change the amount of donation, I think that it is necessary to separate Altcoin's topics for safety.
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It is hard to be a donator nowadays since the price for 1 bitcoin is almost $5000. This post is posted in 2011 where the value of bitcoin is very low. If I knew this earlier, I could donate but I'm still a freshman at that time. What are the benefits of being a donator?


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September 01, 2017, 12:12:48 PM
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It is hard to be a donator nowadays since the price for 1 bitcoin is almost $5000. This post is posted in 2011 where the value of bitcoin is very low. If I knew this earlier, I could donate but I'm still a freshman at that time. What are the benefits of being a donator?

lol today i wanted to dig out this old post but you beat me to it Cheesy

i guess noone is donating 10 btc anymore, the forum cost got a little cheaper and the hidden sections of bitcointalk are the crypto whale elite.
i wish i could get access to the hidden sections, what nice things i may find there Cheesy maybe infos worth more than 10 btc.

i love that the forum got started by satoshi, i had a dream, satoshi lost the private key to his wallets and killed himself. dont spread the news.

sorry for offtopic. i love bitcointalk and learned alot here. but 10 btc to give away is not on my list for at least 2-5 years. maybe one day....

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September 11, 2017, 11:34:07 AM
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Who in his right mind will donate 10 BTC for Donator status? Shocked and what? 50 BTC for VIP status? are you kidding me? I can understand those days when bitcoin prices were low and 10 BTC would make sense but this amount needs to be lowered now.I can't imagine someone in 2017 will donate 10 BTC to get a 'Donator' title under his name.  Undecided

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September 11, 2017, 12:23:19 PM
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Who in his right mind will donate 10 BTC for Donator status?
There are many people.

and what? 50 BTC for VIP status? are you kidding me?
No, there are some people who have VIP stats. https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html

I can't imagine someone in 2017 will donate 10 BTC to get a 'Donator' title under his name.  Undecided
Claymore did it on April 2017. He became a donator after donated 10 btc to this forum at April, 20th 2017 which costs him $1,308.40*10 = $13,084 .

Thanks to Claymore, the first Donator in quite some time.
   

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