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[suchmoon]

@suchmoon, I sincerely apologize if I have offended you in any way, tell me what can I do to fix this and then we could move forward together improving the trust system and the forum as a whole?

If you're angling for your neg trust removal - not happening for reasons explained to you multiple times. I think the forum has been improved by these comments on your trust page.

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[suchmoon]

Have you contacted DT1 members yet?

If I do contact dooglus and if he refuses to take any action, people would say that he is an irresponsible person. if he says that the tags on my profile are not valid and you refuse to remove them as you have already stated that you wont remove them under any circumstances and if he keeps you on DT2 regardless, he would lose his credibility and people would say that he is an irresponsible person for keeping you on DT2.

If he kicks you out from DT2, you'd lose your credibility and this forum could lose a potential useful asset. I am trying to give you a chance but you are unable to see it.

People would say that you're full of shit. You just don't want the drama to end. You keep stalking me in various threads and bringing up your "abuse" case yet you refuse to take the one action that you can actually take. You keep referring to "people in position of power" yet you refuse to even talk to people who can do something about it. (Hint: it ain't just dooglus)

Asslicking or threatening won't work, don't bother.

[digaran]

Have you contacted DT1 members yet?

If I do contact dooglus and if he refuses to take any action, people would say that he is an irresponsible person. if he says that the tags on my profile are not valid and you refuse to remove them as you have already stated that you wont remove them under any circumstances and if he keeps you on DT2 regardless, he would lose his credibility and people would say that he is an irresponsible person for keeping you on DT2.

If he kicks you out from DT2, you'd lose your credibility and this forum could lose a potential useful asset. I am trying to give you a chance but you are unable to see it.

People would say that you're full of shit. You just don't want the drama to end. You keep stalking me in various threads and bringing up your "abuse" case yet you refuse to take the one action that you can actually take. You keep referring to "people in position of power" yet you refuse to even talk to people who can do something about it. (Hint: it ain't just dooglus)

Asslicking or threatening won't work, don't bother.

Lol. who is now stalking who?

[actmyname]

Lol. who is now stalking who?

Still you? suchmoon is just responding to the quote, not bringing up other shit that you've posted. They've just decided that since the thread you posted in has nothing to do with them, that they would rather redirect the conversation here.

Have you contacted Blazed?

[digaran]

Lol. who is now stalking who?

Still you? suchmoon is just responding to the quote, not bringing up other shit that you've posted. They've just decided that since the thread you posted in has nothing to do with them, that they would rather redirect the conversation here.

Have you contacted Blazed?

Now that you are here, can I ask you a question? would you like to tag me for offering the service? or will you tag me later saying that it wasn't needed to tag me because suchmoon and marlboroza had already tagged me?

[suchmoon]

Have you contacted Blazed?

Sneaky bastard updated the thread title. I don't think that counts as "contact" though.

[digaran]

Have you contacted Blazed?

Sneaky bastard updated the thread title. I don't think that counts as "contact" though.

You asked for it.

[suchmoon]

Have you contacted Blazed?

Sneaky bastard updated the thread title. I don't think that counts as "contact" though.

You asked for it.

I most certainly didn't. You're lying again.

[actmyname]

Now that you are here, can I ask you a question? would you like to tag me for offering the service? or will you tag me later saying that it wasn't needed to tag me because suchmoon and marlboroza had already tagged me?

You mean the red trust removal service? No. I seldom add multiple negative feedbacks to a user. Do you want me to? Because since you've made the thread, your image has started degrading steadily, especially as you continue to dig the hole deeper.

[digaran]

Have you contacted Blazed?

Sneaky bastard updated the thread title. I don't think that counts as "contact" though.

You asked for it.

I most certainly didn't. You're lying again.

You are a lier, how many times have you asked me to contact DT1 members? however after giving it some thoughts, I have decided it would be better to change the title instead of directly contacting them, they are not my personal tool to use them as I please. I'd only call them out publicly because that's all I can do, contacting them via PM could be considered as if I am asking for personal favors from them and that is a wrong thing to do.

[suchmoon]

You are a lier, how many times have you asked me to contact DT1 members?

Zero. I asked if you have contacted them yet. Not the same thing as asking "digaran, please contact DT1 members".

And I most certainly didn't ask you to change the thread title nor do I think this counts as "contact" as I've clearly stated above. You're also being unfair to actmyname and marlboroza - you didn't call them "minions". I don't want to usurp such a cool nickname exclusively for myself.

Speaking of lying... you said you will PM them. Now you're just weaseling out of it to prolong the drama. Your case isn't gonna get stronger if you marinate it longer.

I am going to call out Blazed and dooglus to see these threads, if they refuse to take actions I will tag them for being irresponsible. it's like they don't care if their trusted DT2 members are ruining forum members reputation, why should they have any respect from this community. if you see that suchmoon and actmyname are harassing me and say nothing, the community would see the truth and you will lose our trust and respect @Blazed & @dooglus.

Did you even PM them? "@" does fuck all.

I will. first I need to see if you listen to reason.

[LoyceV]

We can see that at least one of the DT1 members has an alt account included on DT2

No, we can't see that. Who is that?

Probably hilariousandco/hilariousetc

I don't see anything wrong with this. Obviously, he trusts his alt, he's a Global Moderator for crying out loud, and now he can tag perps from his alt account too.

[digaran]

We can see that at least one of the DT1 members has an alt account included on DT2

No, we can't see that. Who is that?

Probably hilariousandco/hilariousetc

I don't see anything wrong with this. Obviously, he trusts his alt, he's a Global Moderator for crying out loud, and now he can tag perps from his alt account too.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with it as long as his alt is fair and on point with his tags. however one has to wonder, if don hilary has transparently included his alt on DT2, what makes you think that other DT1 members are not including their own alt accounts on DT2 behind our backs?

[bill gator]

what makes you think that other DT1 members are not including their own alt accounts on DT2 behind our backs?

The lack of evidence, would be a good place to start. If you have something to share, we're all waiting, but so far all I'm hearing is nonsensical conspiracy theories.

[actmyname]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with it as long as his alt is fair and on point with his tags. however one has to wonder, if don hilary has transparently included his alt on DT2, what makes you think that other DT1 members are not including their own alt accounts on DT2 behind our backs?

Your argument is simplified to this:

"If hilariousandco does something, then clearly everybody else does it too, but shadier."It's kind of like when you cherry-pick data and then extrapolate it to fit the entire space. Something like, "lamb is a carcinogen and thus meat in general causes cancer"

[HCP]

or... "I do not like what you're saying, you must be part of the 'DT Cartel'"
or... "You refused to agree with my argument, therefore you must be a minion of DT"

Unfortunately, just because someone does something that you disagree with or do not like, it does not automatically validate whatever conspiracy theory you can come up with.


As (I hope) a relatively neutral third party, I have not seen any real proof of anything approaching systematic trust "abuse" by the DT members... In fact, I've seen instances where DT members have refused to tag someone I personally thought was "guilty" of something, because they did not believe there was enough evidence.

I've also seen instances where they have tagged people on the "balance of probabilities"... where I probably would not have.

However, just because they don't do what I personally would do, is not grounds to label them as "trust abusers" or "untrustworthy" or believe there to be some larger conspiracy at work, as far as I'm concerned.

[digaran]

or... "I do not like what you're saying, you must be part of the 'DT Cartel'"
or... "You refused to agree with my argument, therefore you must be a minion of DT"

Unfortunately, just because someone does something that you disagree with or do not like, it does not automatically validate whatever conspiracy theory you can come up with.


As (I hope) a relatively neutral third party, I have not seen any real proof of anything approaching systematic trust "abuse" by the DT members... In fact, I've seen instances where DT members have refused to tag someone I personally thought was "guilty" of something, because they did not believe there was enough evidence.

I've also seen instances where they have tagged people on the "balance of probabilities"... where I probably would not have.

However, just because they don't do what I personally would do, is not grounds to label them as "trust abusers" or "untrustworthy" or believe there to be some larger conspiracy at work, as far as I'm concerned.

I offered to help people, suchmoon tagged me for it. read reference, read title of my thread.

[TheQuin]

I offered to help people, suchmoon tagged me for it. read reference, read title of my thread.

Only because you've edited to say something else. You were originally offering to relieve people of 0.01 BTC for what you described as a "red tag removal service". That's what you got tagged for.

[suchmoon]

I offered to help people, suchmoon tagged me for it. read reference, read title of my thread.

No, you offered a "service" that you had no way to deliver, and you have proven that numerous times with your lack of knowledge about the trust system.

You can still help people but all you're doing is following people you dislike around the forum and trolling them with inane bullshit, like recently actmyname for the attempt to help out in the Vod/Anduck dispute.

[HCP]

Suppose I set up a thread that says "Send me 0.02 BTC and I'll send back double in 24 hours".

What do you think will happen?

Now, suppose a DT member has tagged me red for offering such a dubious service... and I change my thread title to "I'll give you 0.001 BTC for free"... And explain that I was just wanting to prove my day-trading skills and help other users make some free BTC.

Do you think that the red tag should be removed? Or do you think that the red tag should stay?