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May 17, 2018, 10:27:37 AM
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Yesterday I reported a post in the altcoins announcement subform for plagiarism because of a curious phrase that seemed familiar - "mining and swimming pool" - and a google site search did, indeed, turn up a whole bunch of posts that were identical... 110, to be exact. I explained in the comment to use google site search of the key phrase to find the other offenders and it looked like the post I reported was deleted (though today there are now 118 posts with that same phrase, so clearly that bot has not been deterred).

This morning I spotted another blatant bit of plagiarism in the same thread and when I went to report that post I saw my accuracy had declined from 95% to 92%!? So my accuracy went DOWN after reporting PLAGIARISM... WTF, mods? I gave you 110 identical posts for free and my thanks is a ding to my reporting accuracy? I would be much less upset if this was from reporting spam or shitposting, but plagiarism is a clear cut, unambiguous violation of the rules which is supposed to result in a permaban. Plagiarism also takes more work to hunt down and verify for those making the report, so it's even more demotivating when such a report is ignored, much less tossed out.

Frankly, with the amount of shitposting and plagiarism that persists despite 3+ months of the merit system the mods could use all the help they can get from those members who care enough to report posts in the first place. Don't demotivate us into giving up, as I have seen @Jet Cash lament most recently.

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May 17, 2018, 11:08:41 AM
Last edit: May 17, 2018, 11:45:35 AM by hilariousandco
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The post hasn't been deleted:

This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, does this coin hold a bounty or signature campaign? Thanks for reply! Cheesy

I can't find any of the same in that thread. 'mining and swimming pool' doesn't get any hits on google for me either.

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May 17, 2018, 11:14:43 AM
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The post hasn't been deleted:

This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, does this coin hold a bounty or signature campaign? Thanks for reply! Cheesy

I can't find any in the same in that thread. 'mining and swimming pool' doesn't get any hits on google for me either.

Hmm... I'm getting loads of hits:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22mining+and+swimming+pool%22+site%3Abitcointalk.org&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab

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May 17, 2018, 11:15:54 AM
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I can't find any in the same in that thread. 'mining and swimming pool' doesn't get any hits on google for me either.
Did you search including apostrophes (')? Try surrounding the text with quotation marks (") to get an exact match from Google.

Example:
This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, does this coin hold a bounty or signature campaign?

Spambots? I've checked a few: registered around the same time, posting around the same time about swimming pools.

Update: I love seeing this in modlog:
Loading bans...

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May 17, 2018, 11:21:22 AM
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The only hit I got with quotation marks was this thread.

I searched 'Swimming' in the Alt coin section and got a lot of hits. All accounts are registered between 1-3 of April:

This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool.

This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool Cheesy

This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, does this coin hold a bounty or signature campaign?

This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, and does this coin hold a bounty or signature campaign?

This project is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, ...

This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, does this coin hold a bounty or signature campaign? Thanks.

This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, does this coin hold a bounty or signature campaign? Thanks for reply!

This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool.  I hope good price this coin for listing in exchanges Grin

This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, does this coin hold a bounty or signature campaign?

This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, does this coin hold a bounty or signature campaign?
Thanks for reply!

This coin is a very cool product!  I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, does this coin hold a bounty or signature campaign?

This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, does this coin hold a bounty or signature campaign?

I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, ...


This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, does this coin hold a bounty or signature campaign?


This coin is quite interesting, I will wait for the next announcement, of course with more detailed information, about mining and swimming pool, does this coin hold a bounty or signature campaign?

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May 17, 2018, 11:28:43 AM
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Spambots? I've checked a few: registered around the same time, posting around the same time about swimming pools.

Yes, very bot-like, especially since the number of identical posts is increasing.

@hilariousandco - I offset the exact search term used in google with dashes to make it clear that you have to include the double quotation marks. The actual command I typed into google's search bar was:

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"mining and swimming pool" site:bitcointalk.org

This is the general scheme I use to ferret out plagiarism - I find a phrase with unique or a "statistically improbable" sequence of words to plug into a google site search and if more than one hit is returned I report the post.

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May 17, 2018, 11:32:09 AM
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Spambots? I've checked a few: registered around the same time, posting around the same time about swimming pools.

Yes, very bot-like, especially since the number of identical posts is increasing.

@hilariousandco - I offset the exact search term used in google with dashes to make it clear that you have to include the double quotation marks. The actual command I typed into google's search bar was:

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"mining and swimming pool" site:bitcointalk.org

This is the general scheme I use to ferret out plagiarism - I find a phrase with unique or a "statistically improbable" sequence of words to plug into a google site search and if more than one hit is returned I report the post.



I thought you had to do,

Site:bitcointalk.org THAN what you wanted to search?
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May 17, 2018, 11:34:00 AM
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Update: I love seeing this in modlog:
Loading bans...

I banned the ones I posted above but there's four pages of hits for 'swimming'. An admin should be looking into this as there's probably hundreds but they almost certainly won't, sadly.

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@hilariousandco - I offset the exact search term used in google with dashes to make it clear that you have to include the double quotation marks. The actual command I typed into google's search bar was:

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"mining and swimming pool" site:bitcointalk.org
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I thought you had to do,

Site:bitcointalk.org THAN what you wanted to search?

Either order works fine. Sometimes site search doesn't return all the results for some reason, but it doesn't depend on the order of the arguments.
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May 17, 2018, 11:40:44 AM
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I banned the ones I posted above but there's four pages of hits for 'swimming'. An admin should be looking into this as there's probably hundreds but they almost certainly won't, sadly.

Thanks for looking into this, even if nothing comes of it. At least I feel like I might have given others another tool to find plagiarism which has got to be the most insidious form of shitposting around.

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May 17, 2018, 04:07:01 PM
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In the "You can't make shit like this up," department, I just reported yet another post for plagiarism, this time in the merit and new rank requirements thread. This post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg37580113#msg37580113

had the distinct odor of shitpost and is totally off-topic, so I ran it through the google machine and sure enough some other shitposter already posted it here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1672881.msg34795524#msg34795524

This time I included the link to the original post in my mod report so hopefully it doesn't get tossed out because my results couldn't be duplicated using google site search.

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May 17, 2018, 04:12:52 PM
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My advice is don't worry so much about report accuracy, and just keep reporting plagiarism and anything else you can find. 

I've had my accuracy go down after a long delay, and I attributed it to a backlog of reports that the mods finally got to, and I'm not concerned in the least.  Reporting posts is like a mental health affirmation for me, like therapy almost.  If I get 'em wrong sometimes, oh well.  Keep doing what you're doing, because it's the right thing to do.

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May 17, 2018, 08:19:21 PM
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My advice is don't worry so much about report accuracy, and just keep reporting plagiarism and anything else you can find. 

I've had my accuracy go down after a long delay, and I attributed it to a backlog of reports that the mods finally got to, and I'm not concerned in the least.  Reporting posts is like a mental health affirmation for me, like therapy almost.  If I get 'em wrong sometimes, oh well.  Keep doing what you're doing, because it's the right thing to do.
This is just fine. Although it seems that the new generation always want to be the first, always want to make 100% (or even higher) and don't like criticism at all Smiley
This is why it's hard to accept that after a hard work, the result is worst than before...
Do we need that % to show up when we report a post? I could live without it, that was the reason I've also stopped reporting posts because the % became lower and lower.... working hard to decrease the accuracy...
So maybe the easiest option would be to remove the accuracy % from where people report the posts and if they really care about it, they could have a look at it somewhere in the profile, but I won't search for it...
Just an idea... and removing that part requires only little coding...

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May 17, 2018, 09:31:57 PM
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My advice is don't worry so much about report accuracy, and just keep reporting plagiarism and anything else you can find.
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Oh, I don't get upset at all if the mods don't agree with my assessment of posts reported for spam or shitposting because that's a much more subjective thing; it's only when reports for plagiarism get tossed out that I blow a fuse because there shouldn't be any question that a violation occurred.


...Although it seems that the new generation always want to be the first, always want to make 100% (or even higher) and don't like criticism at all Smiley
This is why it's hard to accept that after a hard work, the result is worst than before...
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So maybe the easiest option would be to remove the accuracy % from where people report the posts and if they really care about it, they could have a look at it somewhere in the profile, but I won't search for it...
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Hmm, I'm GenX so I don't need a participation trophy or a safe space to be happy...  Tongue

I also don't want to see the percent accuracy stat go away - in fact, I want to see which posts didn't make the cut so I can get better at aligning my reporting with what the mods think should be reported. Your other suggestion to move the accuracy stat somewhere else is fine, but I suspect it was put where it is now to discourage people from "revenge reporting" or the like.

At any rate, when I report plagiarism in the future I will provide a link to just one of the duplicate posts in the comment box rather than the google search phrase to avoid the issue that hilariousandco ran into.
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May 17, 2018, 10:02:34 PM
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I also don't want to see the percent accuracy stat go away - in fact, I want to see which posts didn't make the cut so I can get better at aligning my reporting with what the mods think should be reported. Your other suggestion to move the accuracy stat somewhere else is fine, but I suspect it was put where it is now to discourage people from "revenge reporting" or the like.
Well, as I type this the report page is being changed up a little bit. It now gives you how many good reports, bad reports, and unhandled. The percentage is still there at the moment.

Along with a nice little message too:
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Do not worry about your accuracy too much; one accurate report is worth many inaccurate reports.

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May 17, 2018, 11:39:57 PM
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Well, as I type this the report page is being changed up a little bit. It now gives you how many good reports, bad reports, and unhandled. The percentage is still there at the moment.
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I just saw the new stats when I reported a post for spam and I like the changes! Now I know I have 2 reports marked bad (the one that prompted this thread appears to have been reversed) and 8 that are unhandled. I also saw @iasenko's thread about this so I'll probably register my approval over there, but all in all I think this is an excellent change.

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May 17, 2018, 11:47:32 PM
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Mods/admins , does the accuracy of reports go down if the reports are unhandled? I seem to be in a little confusion here, my accuracy went down by like 9-11% when I reported a few posts(a few days ago - I assumed they were bad reports) but according to the new report page, I only have 2 bad reports and 11 unhandled reports.

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May 18, 2018, 07:56:45 AM
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does the accuracy of reports go down if the reports are unhandled?
As far as I know, accuracy is calculated this way:
good/(good+bad)*100%
The result is rounded, and it works for me.

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May 18, 2018, 10:41:26 AM
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The chain you found, OP, resulted in 2k+ deletions. And I just nuked another ~30 accounts behaving similarly, posting minor variations of the same thing hundreds of times. Really annoying. If anyone sees more of this nonsense, please report it.
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The chain you found, OP, resulted in 2k+ deletions. And I just nuked another ~30 accounts behaving similarly, posting minor variations of the same thing hundreds of times. Really annoying. If anyone sees more of this nonsense, please report it.

The sad thing is this will just be the tip of the Iceberg. There are numerous people farming dozens if not hundred of accounts this way just by posting "nice project" or "waiting for bounty/airdrop" or whatever.

We're also currently being spammed by a new wave of bots that copy a random post and paste it in another random thread. They're pretty easy to spot as the posts are way off topic but there's seemingly hundreds of them. Must have nuked going on 50 already since yesterday.

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