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[sunny1]

lol it's getting amazing

yeah it's for sure better than my daily soap opera. Always having some popcorn and a six-pack ready next to me

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[pawlo74]

New info, from FB:

What about PayPal ?
They verify users, they should disclose some informations. 

[Rannasha]

Like someone else said on here, the John Carley story doesn't make sense, I was receiving about 160$ a day since the supposed end of the audit for a few weeks.  How could ALL the money be gone?  And what hacker would offer a ransom for 25%?  Really generous, and ransom for what?  The bitcoin keys to the wallet?  I honestly don't know who to trust in all this mess, except for the people who lost their money.

Can anyone verify that John Carley did in fact give the website and other material to the Panamanian police and there is an investigation ongoing? Isn't there anyone else that had access to the bank BT used, the website?

You shouldn't trust anything coming out of Bitcoin-Trader or John Carley (or whatever his real name is). There was no hack and there is no police investigation started by BT. This outcome was planned from the start. Collect investments for as long as possible, paying out previous investors with new money, until the income stream starts to dry up. At that point, close up shop and leave with the money.

It is also highly unlikely that the police in Panama can do anything. Panama is a well known place for letterbox-corporations, where they can get a cheap corporate registration with few questions asked. There are people who will let their name be used in the registration in exchange for a small fee, which means that any names on the official registration have a high probability of just being figureheads that have no other connections to the operation.

Any investigation should start by attempting to locate the person behind all this ("John Carley") and contacting the authorities in his country of residence. It appears that the PR-people / fallguys know just as little as everyone else, as they communicated electronically. Contacting your local police is unlikely to be helpful, as they don't have the means to easily escalate it into an international investigation (nor would it be high priority for them).

[tmfp]

lol it's getting amazing

yeah it's for sure better than my daily soap opera. Always having some popcorn and a six-pack ready next to me

You're a character in it, Sunny.
I was just reading back through your aggressively pro BT posts and wondering whether you were:
a) Part of it
b) Knowingly 'invested' in a Ponzi and puffing it to make sure you got out in good time
c) In denial

Seeing as you're still here, I'd say c) ??

It's pretty obvius that this thread is bumped by sock accounts. The reply above me is obviusly fake.

Stay away from this! Those overly thankul fake testomorials come out right about when a hyip scam is about to end just so the one who runs the hyip can run away with more money.

You are obviously not part of BT and your post should be considered off topic by the mods! Anyway dude, we'll talk in five months and listen what you have to say then 

FTFY.

[sunny1]

New info, from FB:

What about PayPal ?
They verify users, they should disclose some informations. 

Sure they verify users, but firstly this account was not verified and secondly they would only hand out any information to law enforcement and not to a bunch of self proclaimed investigators.

[sunny1]

lol it's getting amazing

yeah it's for sure better than my daily soap opera. Always having some popcorn and a six-pack ready next to me

You're a character in it, Sunny.
I was just reading back through your aggressively pro BT posts and wondering whether you were:
a) Part of it
b) Knowingly 'invested' in a Ponzi and puffing it to make sure you got out in good time
c) In denial

Seeing as you're still here, I'd say c) ??

It's pretty obvius that this thread is bumped by sock accounts. The reply above me is obviusly fake.

Stay away from this! Those overly thankul fake testomorials come out right about when a hyip scam is about to end just so the one who runs the hyip can run away with more money.

You are obviously not part of BT and your post should be considered off topic by the mods! Anyway dude, we'll talk in five months and listen what you have to say then 

FTFY.

I invested on day one and made a lot of money out of it. Same with zeekrewards, profitable sunrise, panamoney and a dozen others. You just have to smell that they are going big, that's it.

[tmfp]

lol it's getting amazing

yeah it's for sure better than my daily soap opera. Always having some popcorn and a six-pack ready next to me

You're a character in it, Sunny.
I was just reading back through your aggressively pro BT posts and wondering whether you were:
a) Part of it
b) Knowingly 'invested' in a Ponzi and puffing it to make sure you got out in good time
c) In denial

Seeing as you're still here, I'd say c) ??

I invested on day one and made a lot of money out of it. Same with zeekrewards, profitable sunrise, panamoney and a dozen others. You just have to smell that they are going big, that's it.

Ah, so it's b) then.

Quite funny really with hindsight, everybody's villain Yonce telling the truth and being slagged off by people who knew he was right.

[sunny1]

lol it's getting amazing

yeah it's for sure better than my daily soap opera. Always having some popcorn and a six-pack ready next to me

You're a character in it, Sunny.
I was just reading back through your aggressively pro BT posts and wondering whether you were:
a) Part of it
b) Knowingly 'invested' in a Ponzi and puffing it to make sure you got out in good time
c) In denial

Seeing as you're still here, I'd say c) ??

I invested on day one and made a lot of money out of it. Same with zeekrewards, profitable sunrise, panamoney and a dozen others. You just have to smell that they are going big, that's it.

Ah, so it's b) then.

Quite funny really with hindsight, everybody's villain Yonce telling the truth and being slagged off by people who knew he was right.

Yeah you're right, that is one of the rules making money. Yonce would gladly take this one as well, if they were accepting him as a promoter. He was just handling it in a childish manner.

[tuktukracer]

Add me in at $3K

[Centaurus]

If someone is filing a case at the local police within the EU, let us know your the case number to put them together.

I will go to the police in my country

Can police interefere with bitcoin business?

Don't know, but is the minimum that anyone can do.
Theoretically Bitcoin can be traceable.

[Centaurus]

Add me in at $3K

Updating:

icecreamgenius  = $40k
joystickj = $37k
Casimir1904 = $25k
timothyvail = $20k
varChar = $14.5k
pawlo74 = $12k
c0c0 = $10k
Karsten Holland = $8760
Centaurus = $5k
tuktukracer = $3K
Attie707 = $2k
ranlo = $1.8k

[jimmad13]

New info, from FB:

https://i.imgur.com/LpjYPYT.jpg

What about PayPal ?
They verify users, they should disclose some informations. 

Sure they verify users, but firstly this account was not verified and secondly they would only hand out any information to law enforcement and not to a bunch of self proclaimed investigators.

The real "Michael" is estimated to be of Swiss origin (or there about) based on accent/speech. Can this be confirmed the with accountant?

[zwickl]

1.3k here :/

Shares would have matured 4 days after the they had "technical difficulties"

[jimmad13]

Add me in at $3K

Updating:

icecreamgenius  = $40k
joystickj = $37k
Casimir1904 = $25k
timothyvail = $20k
varChar = $14.5k
pawlo74 = $12k
c0c0 = $10k
Karsten Holland = $8760
Centaurus = $5k
tuktukracer = $3K
Attie707 = $2k
ranlo = $1.8k

24K Here.

[ranlo]

1.3k here :/

Shares would have matured 4 days after the they had "technical difficulties"

$1.2k of mine matured a week prior to John running with the funds, but with all the upcoming things (like the conferences) and such they were taking part in, I thought it was a safe deal so I went ahead and dumped it all back into there. Should have just withdrawn.

[rammy2k2]

Add me in at $3K

Updating:

icecreamgenius  = $40k
joystickj = $37k
Casimir1904 = $25k
timothyvail = $20k
varChar = $14.5k
pawlo74 = $12k
c0c0 = $10k
Karsten Holland = $8760
Centaurus = $5k
tuktukracer = $3K
Attie707 = $2k
ranlo = $1.8k

24K Here.

i did some math few days ago and looking at their wallets they ran with about 7 mils USD

[tmfp]

Seems they are already operating a new scheme: https://www.esotericinvestments.com

I have contacted their support with a silly question and the reply was almost identical to what BT replied at the time they were still replying.

What was the question and response from Esoteric Investments and Bitcoin Trader? Because my impression is a strong thats not them just someone else that knows how to make money in the crypto markets and is opening that ability up to other people...making more in the process I'm sure, as that is business.

My research found that Esoteric Investments isn't Bitcoin Trader. They are a registered LLC in New Jersey, USA by Dan Pace and Glenn Crystal (Not John Carley) since March when Bitcoin trader was doing fairly well. Pretty simple business search could have found that out for you.

Plus they are in America if Esoteric goes Gox in America, The United stated will not hesitate to drop the hammer on a scam especially a bitcoin scam they are just waiting to make an example of someone. And it was pretty clear that Bitcoin Trader was avoiding being stations in the USA despite most of their actual business and events were in the states.

If you all were so in love with Bitcoin Traders performance I think Esoteric is at least worth a look as the next thing, and hopefully Bitcoin trader doesnt gox and then we can diversify among two of these passive incomes.

I'm already in them for a small trial amount to test the waters. Feel free to use my referral to help me earn a little more.
https://www.esotericinvestments.com?refid=4

From the Facebook Bitcoin Trader Customers Association page:

Dan Pace ....I have been with Esoteric Investments from the beginning which was actually founded late March. It is only recently that the site and company has reorganized its site to show results and to accept investments. The time in the interim has been used to perfect trading strategies and clearly define a business model for the company of which I have been a part of from time to time. The members of the Esoteric Team and myself have spent countless hours and long discussions over the best practices for the company to utilize. I can ensure you that the founders of Esoteric Investments would love nothing more then to see this company grow and stand tall in 5 years time and there is no plan for a quick ponzi scheme like the one we are getting out of now.

The main idea was to make a trading pool that turns a bunch of little fish into a whale and everyone shares the rewards. If you have been in the crypto game for a while you know a big enough whale is practically immortal so this company may have a good chance of standing the test of time.

In an effort to inspire some trust in Esoteric Investments I invite anyone with questions and concerns to contact me as I do have extensive knowledge of the company from my role in its formation.

On another note the falling of Bitcoin Trader has caused a surge in Esoteric Investments with which the trading team is handling perfectly fine. I have been told that some finishing touches to the site and some updates will be made within a week. These include a detailed business model of how the investments are used and traded (much more in depth than we do arbitrage or we trade coins), a report of our research and results of the last large market mover(first report to be released will be of a past trade in Doge), and a clear distinction between Esoteric Investments and Bitcoin Trader as the team is getting near insulted by being called the same repeatedly and wants to prove they are not a John Carley in any way they can.

Their mission: To create ongoing relationships with each of our clients by providing the finest service possible to address their investment concerns and their financial needs.

Between them and myself I hope we can answer any concerns of this new opportunity entering the Crypto space, and we will use all of our power and ability to do so!

By the way I'm number four, like I said from the beginning.
https://www.esotericinvestments.com?refid=4
15 October at 21:45 · Like


B-B-But, I don't understand, how can the boss of the firm, Dan Pace and a new customer, Phantom Trader share the same referral number???
Surely, that can't mean that they are the same person???

 
 
 


Edit: Mr. Pace assures me that there's a perfectly rational explanation.

[david123]

How does this mess compare to pirate's scam? Calculating in BTC makes no sense because it's so long ago,
but dollar-wise..?

[proximator]

Add me, 2.4K

[Centaurus]

Seems they are already operating a new scheme: https://www.esotericinvestments.com
I have contacted their support with a silly question and the reply was almost identical to what BT replied at the time they were still replying.

What was the question and response from Esoteric Investments and Bitcoin Trader?
...

From the Facebook Bitcoin Trader Customers Association page:
Dan Pace ....I have been with Esoteric Investments from the beginning which was actually founded late March...
...
In an effort to inspire some trust in Esoteric Investments I invite anyone with questions and concerns to contact me as I do have extensive knowledge of the company from my role in its formation.
...

Can all these people recover their losses investing in Esoteric Investments?
If yes the link is www.esotericinvestments.com