P2P Communism

[supernovax]

Communism is by definition an ideal, like Democracy or Capitalism. In practice, none of these things actually happen, no matter what people try to call their activities.

[Balthazar]

You have to start from P2P liberalism, then convert it into P2P Socialism. These steps are necessary to reach P2P Communism.

[Balthazar]

Communism is by definition an ideal, like Democracy or Capitalism.

Don't confuse ideology with a tool. Democracy is a tool while liberalism, socialism and communism are ideologies. These ideologies could be used in both democratic or totalitarian society.

Although liberalism, socialism and communism are the democratic models by definition, approaches are different. Liberal republic is based on separation of powers principle, while socialist republic uses a conception of democratic centralism.

[Balthazar]

Communism itself is a failed ideoogy.

Nobody tried to implement this model yet, so there is no reason to make such statements. Though attempt isn't not necessary because humanity itself unable to do this, due to low development level. Somebody wouldn't agree, but I think that a state capitalism with elements of socialism is a limit of humanity's opportunities.

[practicaldreamer]

An MIT physicist and economist has devised the first complete METHODOLOGY/PROTOCOL for de-centralized economics. It's called Participatory Economics and his name is Michael Albert. Study it, it is really the only economic methodology probably ever created.

This looks interesting - thanks for the reference.

[flug]

You have to start from P2P liberalism, then convert it into P2P Socialism. These steps are necessary to reach P2P Communism.

Yes, that's where I'm coming from.

I'm interested in the way that P2P money can subvert big capital and big state, and whether that liberating movement will take us to a situation where that which is naturally common to us all is held in common.

[bitsmichel]

House ownership doesn't guarantee anything. Governments can force you to sell if some capitalist wants to build a train line through your property or develop new property.

But at least in a non-communist society, such occurrences are rare. And another thing is that we can protest against that move. If anyone protested against such a move in the former USSR, he was send to 20 years of hard labor in some Siberian gulag.

They may be rare, but the point is that you are supposed to be the owner.  In the current economic system technically you do not own anything, because you have a trillion dollar debt (enforced by the government, banks etc)