Please can we have a political discussion board.

[Jet Cash]

The current political board is really just an alt for the off-topic board. With all the major changes going on in the world economy,and the financial and military shifts, it would be interesting to be able to discuss these, and their ramifications for the worl of crypto.

[InvoKing]

Whether you make your topics in ivory tower/serious discussion or you will see the resurrection of off-topic v3 discussion board (v2 is obviously politics and society but kind of much better nowadays, at least since the last time i visited it).

[TheUltraElite]

The current political board is really just an alt for the off-topic board. With all the major changes going on in the world economy,and the financial and military shifts, it would be interesting to be able to discuss these, and their ramifications for the worl of crypto.

But dude you realize the fact that most of the news that you hear on the internet and all are just paid propaganda news by the media? The media is being paid by the government for doing such stuff and obviously they do it so as to increase traffic to their website using clickbait and scare tactics.

All the news about space and millitary and often just repeat news of last year. Its common in the place where I live.

Now discussions based on them may not be a good idea - all we will see is the conspiracy theories being made up and spread. Another way for shills to promote their shitcoins which I seriously condemn.

[Jet Cash]

I understand that, but global politics is becoming so important that one needs to be able to dicuss the issued somewhere. I don't really wnt political discussion to include items such as Trump's hairstyle, or abortions.

Fake news and conspiracy theories seem to depend on one's emotional view of the world situation. Logic indicates that Skripal was poisoned by the Deep State ( or whatever you want to call them) via Porton Down, and Novachok was not used. Similarly the Syrian 'chemical' attack was a false report of an incident manufactured by the White Helmets. Conflicting news stories need to be considered logically for one to come to an opinion.

[hilariousetc]

I really don't think we need a dedicated or separate board for this. Just use the boards in Serious Discussion.

The current political board is really just an alt for the off-topic board. With all the major changes going on in the world economy,and the financial and military shifts, it would be interesting to be able to discuss these, and their ramifications for the worl of crypto.

But dude you realize the fact that most of the news that you hear on the internet and all are just paid propaganda news by the media? The media is being paid by the government for doing such stuff and obviously they do it so as to increase traffic to their website using clickbait and scare tactics.

So all news is paid propaganda now? Don't visit such sites that employ clickbait tactics or websites bought or paid for by people who use them to spread their agenda.

[HabBear]

The current political board is really just an alt for the off-topic board. With all the major changes going on in the world economy,and the financial and military shifts, it would be interesting to be able to discuss these, and their ramifications for the worl of crypto.

The Politics & Society board is what you're looking for, the discussion there is decent as long as you can deal with the occasional trolling. Of course, when it comes to politics, trolling is part the game...sadly.

If you want to improve the quality of the discussion you should start injecting new discussion topics to the talk. Help be a part of the solution!

But dude you realize the fact that most of the news that you hear on the internet and all are just paid propaganda news by the media? The media is being paid by the government for doing such stuff and obviously they do it so as to increase traffic to their website using clickbait and scare tactics.

This forum is not "the internet" but there are posts in this board that reflect some propaganda topics. But the trolls are outnumbered by the genuine interest and spurring thoughtful discussion.

The addition of Jet Cash to that board's talk should increase the quality of the discussion significantly!

[Jet Cash]

I'm flattered that you think I could improve it. I've got some very extreme vieews, and I'm not politically correct. I'm also anti-deep state and global eugenics, and the use of big Pharma medications to kill people.

[HabBear]

I'm flattered that you think I could improve it. I've got some very extreme vieews, and I'm not politically correct. I'm also anti-deep state and global eugenics, and the use of big Pharma medications to kill people.

The depth of thought in your posts is a benefit to every thread that captures your curiousity.

And extreme views, not politically correct, anti-deep state, global eugenics (what?), nefarious uses of pharma meds, etc., all sound like great discussions to get on the table.

The best part of this forum is the freedom of speech nature of it. You can have an extreme view and people may try to shout you down or they may try to reason with you or they just ignore you...it's all good.

If we can't speak freely, why bother speaking at all?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I don't think bitcointalk is the best place for politics to be discussed, and there are many, many forums not even having to do with politics that have sections where you can discuss just that.  The reason I say this is because, as you well know, we have many users trying to rank up accounts, and it's easy to get activity on P&S (and off-topic).  My suggestion would be to find another forum for the politics, but stay here for the bitcoin stuff.  Wouldn't want to lose Jet Cash.

and the use of big Pharma medications to kill people.

Now that's an interesting thought.  Which meds are being used to kill people?

[seoincorporation]

I understand that, but global politics is becoming so important that one needs to be able to dicuss the issued somewhere. I don't really wnt political discussion to include items such as Trump's hairstyle, or abortions.

Fake news and conspiracy theories seem to depend on one's emotional view of the world situation. Logic indicates that Skripal was poisoned by the Deep State ( or whatever you want to call them) via Porton Down, and Novachok was not used. Similarly the Syrian 'chemical' attack was a false report of an incident manufactured by the White Helmets. Conflicting news stories need to be considered logically for one to come to an opinion.

I agree. We can use the forum as a platform of knowledge, far more accurate than the common media. But I also agree with the point that we don't need a new board, but make a better Politics&Society board by posting something new in there. The Trump hair is not of my concern, but you can also find some good topics on the board.

We are many people in here from many different countries. The debate can become something amazing if the people were willing to make a great debate, instead of posting anything for gaining activity. By putting shitposters in ignore you can have a clean Politic&Society board, well, maybe not the whole board, but at least you can have some good insights in there.

The best way to contribute to cleaning the forum is by opening some good threads and reporting the useless quotes, maybe it can works also in your giving-away merit desire.

[Beerwizzard]

First of all is might be pretty hard to find any construcrive views in already existing political discussion. Such threads appear also in Economics and Bitcoin discussian boards. In most cases they are grtting drawned by other spammy threads or becoming the other spam threads. It might be a good idea to make a separate sections but imho nothing says that some serious and constructive discussion is possible in such board.

I've got some very extreme vieews, and I'm not politically correct. I'm also anti-deep state and global eugenics, and the use of big Pharma medications to kill people.

Your point is reasonable but but at the last time a big part of the internet is getting censored for such views. For example it is easy to get banned in twitter for "hate speach" after criticizing the mainstream politics. Even if we make something good and popular on bitcointalk it may cause some restrictions against this forum.

[Welsh]

The reason I say this is because, as you well know, we have many users trying to rank up accounts, and it's easy to get activity on P&S (and off-topic).  

Unfortunately, it's no longer confined to these sections either.  

Now that's an interesting thought.  Which meds are being used to kill people?

Calpol, nasty stuff.

And extreme views, not politically correct, anti-deep state, global eugenics (what?), nefarious uses of pharma meds, etc., all sound like great discussions to get on the table.

Otherwise known as the interesting stuff. The sort of discussion which existed before the onslaught of the spammers, and account farmers. Plus, there isn't too many forums out there that will allow the sort of freedom of speech that is allowed here.

[digaran]

Are you trying to say that P & S mod is not doing his job? wait for the cartel members to tag and defame you for your sins.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Now that's an interesting thought.  Which meds are being used to kill people?

Calpol, nasty stuff.

Well that's completely understandable, provided that we are talking about the strawberry flavor here. It would be very easy to unintentionally overdose on it - that shit is fucking delicious. Almost too delicious...

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Calpol, nasty stuff.

I know this is off-topic, but I had to look that up.  Looks like it's acetaminophen, which I'm very familiar with and which doesn't tend to kill people if they take it as directed and don't have any sort of underlying liver issues.  And fortunately for those people who intentionally overdose, there is an antidote that can be administered if it's caught in time.  I'm not certain that's what Jet Cash is talking about, however.

I agree, the shitposting for activity is starting to creep into Meta (and other sections), and that's unfortunate indeed.

[Welsh]

I know this is off-topic, but I had to look that up.  Looks like it's acetaminophen, which I'm very familiar with and which doesn't tend to kill people if they take it as directed and don't have any sort of underlying liver issues.  And fortunately for those people who intentionally overdose, there is an antidote that can be administered if it's caught in time.  I'm not certain that's what Jet Cash is talking about, however.

I agree, the shitposting for activity is starting to creep into Meta (and other sections), and that's unfortunate indeed.

A bit of a joke. I'm not sure if it's as popular as it is over here in the United Kingdom, but it's a common medicine for children. I know several people who have since admitted faking ill as a child just to have it. It's loaded with sugar, and used to taste great. Although, it's commonly criticized for being overused by parents on their children. The dangers can be serious if not moderated, but was initially made as a little joke.

Well that's completely understandable, provided that we are talking about the strawberry flavor here. It would be very easy to unintentionally overdose on it - that shit is fucking delicious. Almost too delicious...

Right? I'm going back a very long time the last time I tasted it, but seems they are using sugar free versions now and, I doubt it tastes the same now.

Are you trying to say that P & S mod is not doing his job? wait for the cartel members to tag and defame you for your sins.

I don't think anyone is implying that. We all knew how hard it would be to clean up that cesspool, and The Flyinghell fish is currently knee deep in it.

I agree, the shitposting for activity is starting to creep into Meta (and other sections), and that's unfortunate indeed.

The "great project", and similar posts has started to leak into project development. Let's not even mention the Beginners and help section.

[MJK_Anfaenger]

Isn't JetCash the guy who claimed that Russia is becoming a commercial world power (lol) and that the Clintons had something to do with the Skripal poisioning (lol)? Oh and that Brexit will hurt the EU economically more than the UK because "We import twice as much from the EU as we export to them, how are they going to cope with that?", while constantly mumbling about "the deep state", whatever that means - and that's just off the top of my head. This guy may be knowledgeable about crypto, but when it comes to political issues, more often than not he's not just politically incorrect, he's just incorrect.

That being said, the Politics & Society board is a cesspit of account farmers trying to increase their activity - and people like JetCash claiming that the EU and the "(((globalists)))" are promoting global eugenics or whatever brilliant idea Alex Jones or Breitbart put in their heads that day.

[o_e_l_e_o]

more often than not he's not just politically incorrect, he's just incorrect.

Neither being politically incorrect or being incorrect is a reason to not hear what he has to say.

And fortunately for those people who intentionally overdose, there is an antidote that can be administered if it's caught in time.  I'm not certain that's what Jet Cash is talking about, however.

Not to put words in his mouth, but it sounds like Jet Cash is suggesting that "Big Pharma" is intentionally killing people - a view that is obviously nonsense, but one I would still take the time to discuss if there were somewhere to do so. It's difficult to have a sensible discussion on Politics & Society at present, as any topic started is quickly flooded with post-count spammers.

As an aside, given that methionine containing preparations of acetaminophen have been withdrawn due to safety concerns, it would be nice to see some studies in to the efficacy of N-acetylcysteine containing preparations.

[eddie13]

If you look into how US patents work on drugs you will find that pharma has a very big incentive to create a new drug all the time and then promote it as much as they can, because that is how they make their huge money, selling new drugs while the patent is still active for them to have all rights to the chemical..


They end up pushing a lot of NEW relatively unproven drugs, at times to children who they find some sort of disorder diagnosis for, and yes these drugs DO kill a lot of people..
Just by the statistics of the side effects, they kill a lot of people..


If you mean eugenics, like soros and the globalist leftists doing all they can to destroy western culture.. Then yeah..
You could also argue a strong case for their being an agenda out there for white ethnocide..

The EU promotes socialism, which is just another step closer to communism, to bring about a new hitler/stalin..
They are destroying the wests right to free speach, and right to bear arms all they can..

They are trying to get rid of national sovereignty and bring about 1 world government..

Their definitely are things to be concerned about and discuss..

[Flying Hellfish]

Are you trying to say that P & S mod is not doing his job? wait for the cartel members to tag and defame you for your sins.

I don't think anyone is implying that. We all knew how hard it would be to clean up that cesspool, and The Flyinghell fish is currently knee deep in it.

Thanks mate, I am doing what I can.  It will never be enough for some butthurt trolls but whats a guy to do eh?!

[vit05]

Keep Your Identity Small  

Paul Graham

I finally realized today why politics and religion yield such uniquely useless discussions.

As a rule, any mention of religion on an online forum degenerates into a religious argument. Why? Why does this happen with religion and not with Javascript or baking or other topics people talk about on forums?

What's different about religion is that people don't feel they need to have any particular expertise to have opinions about it. All they need is strongly held beliefs, and anyone can have those. No thread about Javascript will grow as fast as one about religion, because people feel they have to be over some threshold of expertise to post comments about that. But on religion everyone's an expert.

Then it struck me: this is the problem with politics too. Politics, like religion, is a topic where there's no threshold of expertise for expressing an opinion. All you need is strong convictions.

Do religion and politics have something in common that explains this similarity? One possible explanation is that they deal with questions that have no definite answers, so there's no back pressure on people's opinions. Since no one can be proven wrong, every opinion is equally valid, and sensing this, everyone lets fly with theirs.

But this isn't true. There are certainly some political questions that have definite answers, like how much a new government policy will cost. But the more precise political questions suffer the same fate as the vaguer ones.

I think what religion and politics have in common is that they become part of people's identity, and people can never have a fruitful argument about something that's part of their identity. By definition they're partisan.

Which topics engage people's identity depends on the people, not the topic. For example, a discussion about a battle that included citizens of one or more of the countries involved would probably degenerate into a political argument. But a discussion today about a battle that took place in the Bronze Age probably wouldn't. No one would know what side to be on. So it's not politics that's the source of the trouble, but identity. When people say a discussion has degenerated into a religious war, what they really mean is that it has started to be driven mostly by people's identities.

Because the point at which this happens depends on the people rather than the topic, it's a mistake to conclude that because a question tends to provoke religious wars, it must have no answer. For example, the question of the relative merits of programming languages often degenerates into a religious war, because so many programmers identify as X programmers or Y programmers. This sometimes leads people to conclude the question must be unanswerable—that all languages are equally good. Obviously that's false: anything else people make can be well or badly designed; why should this be uniquely impossible for programming languages? And indeed, you can have a fruitful discussion about the relative merits of programming languages, so long as you exclude people who respond from identity.

More generally, you can have a fruitful discussion about a topic only if it doesn't engage the identities of any of the participants. What makes politics and religion such minefields is that they engage so many people's identities. But you could in principle have a useful conversation about them with some people. And there are other topics that might seem harmless, like the relative merits of Ford and Chevy pickup trucks, that you couldn't safely talk about with others.

The most intriguing thing about this theory, if it's right, is that it explains not merely which kinds of discussions to avoid, but how to have better ideas. If people can't think clearly about anything that has become part of their identity, then all other things being equal, the best plan is to let as few things into your identity as possible.
Most people reading this will already be fairly tolerant. But there is a step beyond thinking of yourself as x but tolerating y: not even to consider yourself an x. The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you.

[MJK_Anfaenger]

They are destroying the wests right to free speach, and right to bear arms all they can

white ethnocide

Oh look, another one that's a very interesting perspective you have there, care to provide sources for any of that? Or for the "global leftists destroying the west"-bit or that the EU wants to become a world government? Where do you get this stuff? Oh, I'm from Germany btw, we have some of the strictest gun laws in the world, no EU needed for that; not having been shot at in school must have somehow brainwashed me into liking a gun-free life. Poor me :/ Thanks Merkel.

I'm not gonna argue your points, because the notion that a supranational federation of states that can barely find consensus on domestic policies somehow magically becomes a master manipulator when it comes to secretly running the world bears no relation to reality.

[botany]

The current political board is really just an alt for the off-topic board. With all the major changes going on in the world economy,and the financial and military shifts, it would be interesting to be able to discuss these, and their ramifications for the worl of crypto.

If the discussion is about political events and their ramifications on crypto - it would still fit into the main boards right (Bitcoin Discussion, Economics)? Plus as hilarious mentioned, you always have the serious discussion board...