[DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated

[realdantreccia]

Happy 2023 Devcoiners.

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[develCuy]

Dear Devcoin community,

2023 is starting with the following challenge:

For the last few years devtome.com has been running on humble infrastructure provided by the Devcoin Foundation (DF). Given the current bear market and expected market down trend to Bitcoin at $12k or even $9k, the DF budget has become very constrained and we can't afford to keep devtome.com online anymore. Just for the record, DEVTome server requires a budget of US$25 monthly or US$300 a year. We are open to accept donations from the community in order to keep it online, but if we don't get enough money by end of week, it will shutdown till we can raise the funds.

Thanks for your understanding,

--
DevElCuy
Marshall, Devcoin Foundation

[realdantreccia]

ping... markm

You were wondering on May 25, 2014 in a deleted post what your cyclos bank was. I think we need to add more dApps to Devcoin. Lets start with the old - People could use DVC and Cyclos.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;msg=2004119

I have set up Cyclos again so we can take a look at what it can do for us.

http://dvcstable02.devcoin.org:8080

So far it only knows of one currency, Devcoins (DVC).

It is easy to set up for one currency as you just change the name of the default "Units" currency it comes with.

Adding more could be complicated as there are a whole bunch of different types of transactions you have to decide whether your currency is going to want to be able to use, so first you need to understand what all those different types of transactions are for and what they do. Or maybe at least know which ones the default currency has set up and what its setups for them all are so you can set up another currency with the same capabilities as the default currency.

It can only do up to six decimals too, unfortunately.

Supposedly this thing has apps for various phones, and merchant buy buttons type of stuff for merchants to use on their websites, and handling for loans and gosh knows what-all else. (Ads pages for example, where members can advertise things they want to buy or sell.)

Notice we do not have a https certificate for devcoin.org but since the machine it is on is at a third party datacentre anyway the people hosting the machine can already anyway go in and hack or steal anything they choose, just like happened to sites that were hosted at linode or rackspace (or both) or wherever. So really using https might just lead to giving people a false sense of security.

THE MACHINE IS NOT IN MY PHYSICAL CUSTODY THUS I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHO CAN PHYSICALLY ACCESS IT!!!

Be accordingly cautious!

It can do virtual keyboard for password for login but that tends to make logging in very inconvenient so I have set it to only use that for the "transaction password" - basically a PIN type thing - used for actual transactions.

It seems to have hard-coded limit of 4 to 12 characters (pathetically small, coose well!!!) for passwords. I have not been able to find any configuration option for increasing that.

-MarkM-

[markm]

I think Cyclos branched into being commercial, leaving the free open source version behind maybe; though I have not checked for years.

Maybe the free open source version did end up building a team to maintain it.

Right at the moment I have too many other things to do and to research so I likely won't look into Cyclos again until/unless what it used to be good for comes up again and something becoming more needed.

https://www.cyclos.org/faq/#costs

-MarkM-

[ranlo]

Dear Devcoin community,

2023 is starting with the following challenge:

For the last few years devtome.com has been running on humble infrastructure provided by the Devcoin Foundation (DF). Given the current bear market and expected market down trend to Bitcoin at $12k or even $9k, the DF budget has become very constrained and we can't afford to keep devtome.com online anymore. Just for the record, DEVTome server requires a budget of US$25 monthly or US$300 a year. We are open to accept donations from the community in order to keep it online, but if we don't get enough money by end of week, it will shutdown till we can raise the funds.

Thanks for your understanding,

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DevElCuy
Marshall, Devcoin Foundation

I'm surprised that Devtome wasn't funded for years in advance. When it was at its peak, the earnings for its shares were fairly large, were they not? Or was all of the DVC kept as-is and only liquidated as needed? I don't even know how much value Devtome started bringing to the project as a whole since it had... a LOT of spam. But it was good in concept. If something like it were brought back I have a lot of ideas on how to actually enhance it for both end-users and sustainability.

[realdantreccia]

I need a time machine...

BTW - willing to pay out of pocket for simple addition of this (just d/ "dot bit" domain but for Devcoin) key value pair registration on the latest Devcoin Core 22.x. It would ideally have manage and register names in the GUI like Namecoin 23.99 by domob1812.


2014 - the original idea:

https://forum.namecoin.org/viewtopic.php?p=11606&sid=c8ea1be2c6cf47e505a66ca65e5931ad#p11606

Namecoin 23.99 client for simple d/ directory registration in the Devcoin Core QT is what I want:

https://github.com/domob1812/namecoin-core/tree/23.x

Devcoin Core 22.x branch that I would like to add the Manage and Register names tabs to for Devcoin "d/" domains. Make them ".dvc" since Google has made ".dev" a gTLD on the clearnet:

https://github.com/devcoin/core/tree/22.x

I hope me posting this is ok. I'd love to pay someone to implement this it sounds rather simple for a dev like domob to implement. The emblem.finance guys said they'd make a Devcoin addition to their "Emblem Vault" to wrap these assets (and devcoin wallet containing these d/ ".dvc" domains) to put on open sea for Polygon or Ethereum. ("COVAL" Vault, "Circuits of Value") just like the Namecoin assets listed on OpenSea.... Good way to get DVC markets hoping again people buying DVC to make these domains ("NFT") so they can test build sites before maybe making .bit sites as people begin to develop on the dot-bit DNS instead of merely making speculative registrations... Can see good use here.

[develCuy]

Thanks for the proposal Dan. Currently Devcoin blockchain is constrained to very old Bitcoin standards. The source code might be updated, but miners haven't adopted it yet. Once we have them using 22.x, we can activate more functionality that will then enable stuff like the one you propose.

Just my 2c

- DevElCuy

[realdantreccia]

Thanks for the proposal Dan. Currently Devcoin blockchain is constrained to very old Bitcoin standards. The source code might be updated, but miners haven't adopted it yet. Once we have them using 22.x, we can activate more functionality that will then enable stuff like the one you propose.

Just my 2c

- DevElCuy

just exploring the idea. @jaybny is an experienced coder. Said he'd look at it for us.

Why not?

Permission maybe to tinker with it on testnet?

Would it help if I bought a used ASIC off ebay to get 22.x adoption?

[markm]

Currently DeVCoin's only "active" income within the Galactic Milieu, as far as I am aware, is Devos Gang within the MUDgaard CoffeeMUD server.

Among the assets Devos Gang holds are a number of MUDgaard player-accounts, which are an asset for which we have yet to determine a reasonable value.

I have posted on the Hive blockchain and on Quora soliciting thoughts on how player-accounts should be priced or allocated; I hope you-all will take a moment to read and respond to the question.

Reproduction exists in MUDgaard, so at long last the arbitrary creation of characters "out of nothing" has been disabled.

Thus the two races of characters Devos Gang has been breeding (ogres and goblins) are no longer something any arbitrary player can suddenly come up with on their own; those who have none (which is everyone other than the Devos Gang) will need to convince the Devos to let them play one of their growing number of children if they want to deploy characters of those races.

Thus now not only do we need to come up with some "reasonable" system for determining allocation of player-accounts, we are in the character-breeding business; like in Axie Infinity, character breeding has become a potentially-significant part of the MUDgaard play-to-earn ecosystem.

Those players who were canny enough to secure player-accounts during the over a decade now that MUDgaard has been running are now in a position to leverage their holdings more powerfully than ever.

Securing of additional player-accounts will be under some pressure going forward from the demand created by character-breeding, as each player-account only supports ten characters (only five of which can be online simultaneously). Once an account is full, it will have no room for newly come of age children to become playable characters within the account of the parent or guardian they are following at the time of their coming-of-age.

See also https://peakd.com/galactic-milieu/@knotwork/leveraging-devcoins-mudgaard-galactic-milieu-holdings

-MarkM-

[realdantreccia]

Currently DeVCoin's only "active" income within the Galactic Milieu, as far as I am aware, is Devos Gang within the MUDgaard CoffeeMUD server.

Among the assets Devos Gang holds are a number of MUDgaard player-accounts, which are an asset for which we have yet to determine a reasonable value.

I have posted on the Hive blockchain and on Quora soliciting thoughts on how player-accounts should be priced or allocated; I hope you-all will take a moment to read and respond to the question.

Reproduction exists in MUDgaard, so at long last the arbitrary creation of characters "out of nothing" has been disabled.

Thus the two races of characters Devos Gang has been breeding (ogres and goblins) are no longer something any arbitrary player can suddenly come up with on their own; those who have none (which is everyone other than the Devos Gang) will need to convince the Devos to let them play one of their growing number of children if they want to deploy characters of those races.

Thus now not only do we need to come up with some "reasonable" system for determining allocation of player-accounts, we are in the character-breeding business; like in Axie Infinity, character breeding has become a potentially-significant part of the MUDgaard play-to-earn ecosystem.

Those players who were canny enough to secure player-accounts during the over a decade now that MUDgaard has been running are now in a position to leverage their holdings more powerfully than ever.

Securing of additional player-accounts will be under some pressure going forward from the demand created by character-breeding, as each player-account only supports ten characters (only five of which can be online simultaneously). Once an account is full, it will have no room for newly come of age children to become playable characters within the account of the parent or guardian they are following at the time of their coming-of-age.

See also https://peakd.com/galactic-milieu/@knotwork/leveraging-devcoins-mudgaard-galactic-milieu-holdings

-MarkM-

Just left my takes on the specifics in the comments section with quotations from a very thorough article of MarkM's vision in a Hive blog titled:

Maybe the Galactic Milieu CAN integrate non-'free open source' games afterall... [17 days old - sorry took me awhile, real life is a bit much right now!]

It's a great read and a wonderful plan. Pretty simple to understand if you've used tokens and played a game or two on chain by now . If you read the comments section below there's discussion with me and mark. Mark - I left a lot more detailed commentary on the rest of the article since your last response. I recommend everyone read - Mark's got a great idea how to make the core of our Devcoin metaverse he's crafted over the past 13 years relevant to the mainstream crypto gamers. Splinterlands (spoiler) is a VERY popular game in blockchain/web 3 p2e gaming!

Link:

https://hive.blog/galactic/@knotwork/maybe-the-galactic-milieu-can-integrate-non-free-open-source-games-afterall

[ranlo]

Currently DeVCoin's only "active" income within the Galactic Milieu, as far as I am aware, is Devos Gang within the MUDgaard CoffeeMUD server.

Among the assets Devos Gang holds are a number of MUDgaard player-accounts, which are an asset for which we have yet to determine a reasonable value.

I have posted on the Hive blockchain and on Quora soliciting thoughts on how player-accounts should be priced or allocated; I hope you-all will take a moment to read and respond to the question.

Reproduction exists in MUDgaard, so at long last the arbitrary creation of characters "out of nothing" has been disabled.

Thus the two races of characters Devos Gang has been breeding (ogres and goblins) are no longer something any arbitrary player can suddenly come up with on their own; those who have none (which is everyone other than the Devos Gang) will need to convince the Devos to let them play one of their growing number of children if they want to deploy characters of those races.

Thus now not only do we need to come up with some "reasonable" system for determining allocation of player-accounts, we are in the character-breeding business; like in Axie Infinity, character breeding has become a potentially-significant part of the MUDgaard play-to-earn ecosystem.

Those players who were canny enough to secure player-accounts during the over a decade now that MUDgaard has been running are now in a position to leverage their holdings more powerfully than ever.

Securing of additional player-accounts will be under some pressure going forward from the demand created by character-breeding, as each player-account only supports ten characters (only five of which can be online simultaneously). Once an account is full, it will have no room for newly come of age children to become playable characters within the account of the parent or guardian they are following at the time of their coming-of-age.

See also https://peakd.com/galactic-milieu/@knotwork/leveraging-devcoins-mudgaard-galactic-milieu-holdings

-MarkM-

Just left my takes on the specifics in the comments section with quotations from a very thorough article of MarkM's vision in a Hive blog titled:

Maybe the Galactic Milieu CAN integrate non-'free open source' games afterall... [17 days old - sorry took me awhile, real life is a bit much right now!]

It's a great read and a wonderful plan. Pretty simple to understand if you've used tokens and played a game or two on chain by now . If you read the comments section below there's discussion with me and mark. Mark - I left a lot more detailed commentary on the rest of the article since your last response. I recommend everyone read - Mark's got a great idea how to make the core of our Devcoin metaverse he's crafted over the past 13 years relevant to the mainstream crypto gamers. Splinterlands (spoiler) is a VERY popular game in blockchain/web 3 p2e gaming!

Link:

https://hive.blog/galactic/@knotwork/maybe-the-galactic-milieu-can-integrate-non-free-open-source-games-afterall

I read it all and I like the concept of using the NFTs in a game with actual use cases. With that said, I don't quite get how all of it ties specifically into or helps DVC...

[jaybny]

Thanks for the proposal Dan. Currently Devcoin blockchain is constrained to very old Bitcoin standards. The source code might be updated, but miners haven't adopted it yet. Once we have them using 22.x, we can activate more functionality that will then enable stuff like the one you propose.

Just my 2c

- DevElCuy

just exploring the idea. @jaybny is an experienced coder. Said he'd look at it for us.

Why not?

Permission maybe to tinker with it on testnet?

Would it help if I bought a used ASIC off ebay to get 22.x adoption?

started looking at namecoin and devcoin.. seems doable, but holding off for now, until there is more clarity..

so adding namecoin support requires miners to upgrade first? wondering if such an upgrade will push miner adoption.

[realdantreccia]

Thanks for the proposal Dan. Currently Devcoin blockchain is constrained to very old Bitcoin standards. The source code might be updated, but miners haven't adopted it yet. Once we have them using 22.x, we can activate more functionality that will then enable stuff like the one you propose.

Just my 2c

- DevElCuy

just exploring the idea. @jaybny is an experienced coder. Said he'd look at it for us.

Why not?

Permission maybe to tinker with it on testnet?

Would it help if I bought a used ASIC off ebay to get 22.x adoption?

started looking at namecoin and devcoin.. seems doable, but holding off for now, until there is more clarity..

so adding namecoin support requires miners to upgrade first? wondering if such an upgrade will push miner adoption.

Only mark truly knows where this is going. He's written about 3,000 pages of documentation on GM. I would love to see it in action.

[FuzzyBear]

Hello devcoiners,

So what is the current state of devtome re taking on new writers?

I was recently contacted by a new member to the forum who was looking to get signed up and I noticed that I am still listed as an admin to sign on new members here https://www.devtome.com/how_to_get_setup_earning_devcoins_by_writing

I loaded up my devcoin wallet and see that I have not received any coins for over 3 years now for any admin work hence I assume I have been removed of my duties and there is no signing up of new users.

Perhaps you could update the information on devtome to reflect this and correct https://www.devtome.com/how_to_get_setup_earning_devcoins_by_writing

All the best

Fuzzybear

[markm]

DevTome is read-only, no-one (other than maybe who-ever is hosting it or admin of it) has write access to update it.

P.S. I posted an introduction to DeVCoin article on HIVE platform: https://peakd.com/galactic-milieu/@knotwork/intro-to-galactic-milieu-currencies-devcoin-dvc

-MarkM-

[realdantreccia]

Hey we're down but not out. Alive and running. I love that about Devcoin. I am still never going to regret holding these coins, buying them, and being a part of this. Right now I am just focused on other areas of my working and investing life. Doesn't mean I'm out. Hope that's clear. Will be here when needed - you know where to find me