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June 22, 2014, 10:10:43 AM
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Hey guys,

No official launch date yet, but this is where we'll be doing business: http://betxcp.com/

Keep an eye out!

I'm very curious.
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June 22, 2014, 03:23:02 PM
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Go compare NXT's UI (http://nxt.org) to Counterpary's UI.  NXT's is definitely winning on the UI front.  Counterparty has feeds, betting and CFDs, which NXT doesn't do yet.  NXT has a decentralised asset exchange with faster trading via 1 minute block times and doesn't waste any energy because it's proof-of-stake.  Counterparty has 10 minute block times and relies on Bitcoin, which requires a couple nuclear power plants to run.

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There are advantages and disadvantages when comparing Counterparty with other decentralized exchanges.  NXT is by far the most user friendly I have found.

One of Swarm's main focuses for the next couple months will be improving the user experience around Counterparty, after which we expect that no one will be able to say that NXT or any other altcoin has better UI.

We plan to do this through swarming other coins, so if you have anything in particular you are itching to do please contact me. We want to support you and the XCP ecosystem.

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June 22, 2014, 03:31:33 PM
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These posts, although unpleasant, are also necessary to learn and grow. If we don't understand what we are doing wrong we will continue to do so.

One of the main differences between Nxt and XCP is that NXT has a central lead, someone who is directly responsible and invested in the success of the currency. With XCP no one person is any more invested than the next. We all stand to gain and lose just as much as we invested.

NXT has someone to say "hey, this is a problem, so we are going to do this". Where as XCP doesn't have that central lead or authority. This was the decision of the developers to create a grass-roots free-growing enterprise and only the future will tell how it all turns out. I don't support this model and in the past I have voiced my opinions on the subject so I wont rehash them. It's also important to understand that NXT isn't limited by outside factors (BTC). NXT lives and dies by its own decisions. It is not arbitrarily limited or denied (OP return anyone?) by external forces (BTC developers). The initial XCP developers chose to attach this project to BTC for certain reasons and it was their right to choose so.

Really good points. I assume that Swarm will rapidly become the largest single holder of XCP, so we are very strongly incentivized to see XCP grow.  I have lot of ideas about how this can be done, and invite anyone interested in the future success of Counterparty to contact me individually. (joel a t swarmcorp dot c o m)

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June 22, 2014, 04:50:45 PM
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One of Swarm's main focuses for the next couple months will be improving the user experience around Counterparty, after which we expect that no one will be able to say that NXT or any other altcoin has better UI.

Top notch. I knew this was just a matter of time.

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June 22, 2014, 06:20:51 PM
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We will allow them to sort things out for a few hours and after that we will run our own tests to make sure our system is healthy.

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June 23, 2014, 02:08:08 AM
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Go compare NXT's UI (http://nxt.org) to Counterpary's UI.  NXT's is definitely winning on the UI front.  Counterparty has feeds, betting and CFDs, which NXT doesn't do yet.  NXT has a decentralised asset exchange with faster trading via 1 minute block times and doesn't waste any energy because it's proof-of-stake.  Counterparty has 10 minute block times and relies on Bitcoin, which requires a couple nuclear power plants to run.

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There are advantages and disadvantages when comparing Counterparty with other decentralized exchanges.  NXT is by far the most user friendly I have found.

One of Swarm's main focuses for the next couple months will be improving the user experience around Counterparty, after which we expect that no one will be able to say that NXT or any other altcoin has better UI.

We plan to do this through swarming other coins, so if you have anything in particular you are itching to do please contact me. We want to support you and the XCP ecosystem.

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June 23, 2014, 10:09:58 AM
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We wanted to let our users know that our hosting company is experiencing some issues, thus our website is currently unavailable.

We will allow them to sort things out for a few hours and after that we will run our own tests to make sure our system is healthy.

This process will take several hours to complete and therefore we will not broadcast results for several hours.

Our information is backed up so there is no need to be concerned about open bets you have made. All broadcasts will take place as soon as we will be back online.

We can be contacted through bitcointalk.

Thank you for your patience.

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June 23, 2014, 10:45:59 AM
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please explain to me how I can store my XCp on my computer. I cannot find a wallet for my windows 7 computer.

I am totally confused. Is their actually a functioning wallet I can use to store XCP ?
Is XCP related to bitcoin ?
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June 23, 2014, 11:57:04 AM
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please explain to me how I can store my XCp on my computer. I cannot find a wallet for my windows 7 computer.

I am totally confused. Is their actually a functioning wallet I can use to store XCP ?
Is XCP related to bitcoin ?

XCP is the internal Counterparty currency and technically "a part of Bitcoin" and can be stored on normal Bitcoin addresses.

Maybe this can help: https://www.counterparty.co/get-started/
There is also a web wallet: http://counterwallet.co

You can send XCP to any Bitcoin address and redeem them later, as long as you have the private key.

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June 23, 2014, 12:03:02 PM
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please explain to me how I can store my XCp on my computer. I cannot find a wallet for my windows 7 computer.

I am totally confused. Is their actually a functioning wallet I can use to store XCP ?
Is XCP related to bitcoin ?

XCP is the internal Counterparty currency and technically "a part of Bitcoin" and can be stored on normal Bitcoin addresses.

Maybe this can help: https://www.counterparty.co/get-started/
There is also a web wallet: http://counterwallet.co

You can send XCP to any Bitcoin address and redeem them later, as long as you have the private key.

there is a guide on xbet.io for how to buy xcp and use the counterparty webwallet here
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June 23, 2014, 01:19:38 PM
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What will happen if someone puts up an illegal asset? Has anybody raised that question yet?

Lets say somone anonymous creates an asset that infringes on some companies copyrights, called "Facebook" or "Nintendo" for example?
Or if I create an asset that makes money with illegal activities like DDOS blackmail or sale of drugs. Would a SilkRoad-asset be allowed to exist and is there any way to remove it? What is the official policy of the devs if they have regarding those cases?
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June 23, 2014, 01:50:14 PM
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Questions about the escrow:

If I understand correctly, all actions in counterparty send some dust amounts of BTC and embeds some metadata. Since OP-return only allows 40 bytes, and this is not enough, the escrow function is used as well. One of the addresses is my own and the other is non-existing address. The non-existing address contains some metadata. (1) Did I get this right?

I find on blockchain.info that 0.1086 mBTC are locked on each escrow. (2) Is there any way to release these?
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June 23, 2014, 01:51:05 PM
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What will happen if someone puts up an illegal asset? Has anybody raised that question yet?

Lets say somone anonymous creates an asset that infringes on some companies copyrights, called "Facebook" or "Nintendo" for example?
Or if I create an asset that makes money with illegal activities like DDOS blackmail or sale of drugs. Would a SilkRoad-asset be allowed to exist and is there any way to remove it? What is the official policy of the devs if they have regarding those cases?

Counterparty is an open platform, like Bitcoin itself, and no one (not even a dev) is capable of removing or renaming other users' assets
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June 23, 2014, 01:53:43 PM
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Questions about the escrow:

If I understand correctly, all actions in counterparty send some dust amounts of BTC and embeds some metadata. Since OP-return only allows 40 bytes, and this is not enough, the escrow function is used as well. One of the addresses is my own and the other is non-existing address. The non-existing address contains some metadata. (1) Did I get this right?

I find on blockchain.info that 0.1086 mBTC are locked on each escrow. (2) Is there any way to release these?

1) That's correct, yes.

2) Yep: http://api.bitwatch.co/redeem
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Questions about the escrow:

If I understand correctly, all actions in counterparty send some dust amounts of BTC and embeds some metadata. Since OP-return only allows 40 bytes, and this is not enough, the escrow function is used as well. One of the addresses is my own and the other is non-existing address. The non-existing address contains some metadata. (1) Did I get this right?

I find on blockchain.info that 0.1086 mBTC are locked on each escrow. (2) Is there any way to release these?

1) That's correct, yes.

2) Yep: http://api.bitwatch.co/redeem

Great  Smiley
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June 23, 2014, 09:02:16 PM
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Thank you. The site helped a bit as well as the first & last 20pages of the thread. I think the whole concept is brilliant yet after 40pages + extra reading I still dont feel I have a handle on what exactly Counterparty is and its potential. I can see 90% of people that end up here would never hang around. Its all very very confusing even to people with some technical ability. So you have some level of my ability.. my first computer was a TRS-80, I can do some basic C+ programming and I can compile in Linux. 90% of ALT coin users are windows based non technical users. I am surprised if even 10% of people that initially visit would hang around.  


Before we even get to slick videos, https://www.counterparty.co/get-started/ needs a total revamp for newbies. The 1st post on the thread also needs a total revamp. XCP is highly confusing for the newbie and spoon feeding is required for elementary things.

The 1st post on thread and homepage on website should have EASY TO UNDERSTAND paragraphs on each below:

1) What is counterparty ? [ in tech and easy speak]

2) Why should I be interested in counterparty ? [with real and potential simple examples]

3) How do I buy XCP ? [ past[proof of burn,etc] & present way ]

4) How do I store XCP ? [ simple explanations of the 3 wallet types and again why one may need the entire bitcoin blockchain & qt ]

5) A quick outline of future plans for Counterparty including other ALT blockchain links, etc, etc



The above is a basic start that would have maybe 50-75% of the people hanging around to maybe even try to understand the more complex issues like asset creation, etc







please explain to me how I can store my XCp on my computer. I cannot find a wallet for my windows 7 computer.

I am totally confused. Is their actually a functioning wallet I can use to store XCP ?
Is XCP related to bitcoin ?

XCP is the internal Counterparty currency and technically "a part of Bitcoin" and can be stored on normal Bitcoin addresses.

Maybe this can help: https://www.counterparty.co/get-started/
There is also a web wallet: http://counterwallet.co

You can send XCP to any Bitcoin address and redeem them later, as long as you have the private key.
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June 23, 2014, 10:34:38 PM
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I agree for the most part with the above post. Here is a contribution to new text should it be changed.

(For the "description" part of the OP)

For people who are dissatisfied with centralized financial solutions and institutions, Counterparty is a peer-to-peer financial market which provides a medium for secure transactions that do not require a trusted third party. Unlike Wall Street, we have assembled a free to use software platform that allows everyone access to financial instruments that were previously cost prohibitive or not available.

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June 24, 2014, 12:30:36 AM
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Thanks Matt,

I like your write up. This would be part 1 of my suggestion. I would add a few examples. Perhaps an example of a bet, a contract and a loan between friends/family

I agree for the most part with the above post. Here is a contribution to new text should it be changed.

(For the "description" part of the OP)

For people who are dissatisfied with centralized financial solutions and institutions, Counterparty is a peer-to-peer financial market which provides a medium for secure transactions that do not require a trusted third party. Unlike Wall Street, we have assembled a free to use software platform that allows everyone access to financial instruments that were previously cost prohibitive or not available.

eg. A



eg. B



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June 24, 2014, 01:00:20 AM
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Announcement: Over the past few weeks, we've been doing a lot of work on the fee algorithm that Counterparty uses, and now transactions are effectively much cheaper than before. In particular, 'send' transactions can store all of their Counterparty metadata in a 40-byte OP_RETURN output, and you can now specify the exact fees paid for each transaction, as well as the default fee-per-KB amount, dust sizes, and so on. Multi-sig outputs need not be used, so no difficult-to-spend funds need to be sent back to your self at all.

This transaction is an example of a modern send transaction that cost only US $0.01 in fees, with a $0.03 output to the destination. It was constructed and broadcast with the following command: counterpartyd.py send --source=SOURCE --destination=DEST --quantity=1 --asset=XCP --encoding='opreturn' --fee=.00002, and it was confirmed almost immediately. If you're moving lots of assets around, or sending one asset to many users, you can use this script to automate the process and keep costs as low as possible.
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