Religions and business

[BCEmporium]

«Removing religion issues from marketplace»

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

Mythology my ass...

Mythology it is. And thus that isn't an attempt to prove any existence of God, but the existence of Jesus. As you may see there isn't even sure the prophet existed, let alone God.
Muslims have an advantage here, at least they've evidence of their prophet existence; just a "tiny issue", if that "Allah thing" is God than the Devil is probably a much better guy than such "God".

OTH, does religion matters on business? Strangely, yes. Very/Extremely religious people have "lots of morals", except their morals applies only "to the others", themselves as "chosen by god" abide by a random twisted morality. Not much from Christians, or to lesser degree, but much part of "belief" on Judaism and Islam. Jews believe themselves to be "chosen", put to radical view and this means all others are their slaves up to contempt the "master's will". Muslims are even more upfront, as the Quran and the Hadeeth supports that rob a non-Muslim is perfectly legit and right.

But in the end, Religion exists in an attempt to control people's dos and don'ts, is a mind-control machine, not much more than that. Even if you put to chance that one of them is right, that ain't good news, as the Gods they carry aren't that nice fellows, but dictators and erratic avengers, bloodthirsty, with ego issues, demanding to be worshiped, etc... like an "Eternal Gaddafi". Whatever such thing creates could be called many things, but "Heaven" isn't one of them.

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[Anonymous]

*prepares for shitstorm

[ribuck]

...Whatever such thing creates could be called many things, but "Heaven" isn't one of them.

Religion can do something that no business can do: invite payment now, with the promise of a reward after death.

But if there was a heaven after death, who would want to be there? Seriously, how could you enjoy heaven, hearing all the howls of torment from those in the other place? Or, as is perhaps more likely, hearing all the fun parties happening at the other place.

[BCEmporium]

Religion can do something that no business can do: invite payment now, with the promise of a reward after death.

As I said before; you gotta give credit to the scammer who came up with this one. It's the ultimate scam; one just finds out to be scammed after die. And once after dead he can't speak or witness anything, this "joke" goes on and on forever.

The other part of being "joying heaven" ignoring the others' suffering is one of the engines or demonstrations why normally very-religious people live in dual-moral standards. One to point at the others, where nothing is excusable and anything leads them to Hell, other to their own as "being a true believer" makes everything excusable because God is love (for them, for others is Wrath).

[Anonymous]

Religion is more primal than it is a scam. People need an emotional crutch to go on about their lives. They need something to believe in. Religion provides that at a price.

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

«Removing religion issues from marketplace»

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

Mythology my ass...

Mythology it is. And thus that isn't an attempt to prove any existence of God, but the existence of Jesus. As you may see there isn't even sure the prophet existed, let alone God.
Muslims have an advantage here, at least they've evidence of their prophet existence; just a "tiny issue", if that "Allah thing" is God than the Devil is probably a much better guy than such "God".

OTH, does religion matters on business? Strangely, yes. Very/Extremely religious people have "lots of morals", except their morals applies only "to the others", themselves as "chosen by god" abide by a random twisted morality. Not much from Christians, or to lesser degree, but much part of "belief" on Judaism and Islam. Jews believe themselves to be "chosen", put to radical view and this means all others are their slaves up to contempt the "master's will". Muslims are even more upfront, as the Quran and the Hadeeth supports that rob a non-Muslim is perfectly legit and right.

But in the end, Religion exists in an attempt to control people's dos and don'ts, is a mind-control machine, not much more than that. Even if you put to chance that one of them is right, that ain't good news, as the Gods they carry aren't that nice fellows, but dictators and erratic avengers, bloodthirsty, with ego issues, demanding to be worshiped, etc... like an "Eternal Gaddafi". Whatever such thing creates could be called many things, but "Heaven" isn't one of them.

Sorry, I really don't have the time to discuss this.
Let's say I show my love for all creation by letting you win this thread, OK ?

[Anonymous]

«Removing religion issues from marketplace»

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

Mythology my ass...

Mythology it is. And thus that isn't an attempt to prove any existence of God, but the existence of Jesus. As you may see there isn't even sure the prophet existed, let alone God.
Muslims have an advantage here, at least they've evidence of their prophet existence; just a "tiny issue", if that "Allah thing" is God than the Devil is probably a much better guy than such "God".

OTH, does religion matters on business? Strangely, yes. Very/Extremely religious people have "lots of morals", except their morals applies only "to the others", themselves as "chosen by god" abide by a random twisted morality. Not much from Christians, or to lesser degree, but much part of "belief" on Judaism and Islam. Jews believe themselves to be "chosen", put to radical view and this means all others are their slaves up to contempt the "master's will". Muslims are even more upfront, as the Quran and the Hadeeth supports that rob a non-Muslim is perfectly legit and right.

But in the end, Religion exists in an attempt to control people's dos and don'ts, is a mind-control machine, not much more than that. Even if you put to chance that one of them is right, that ain't good news, as the Gods they carry aren't that nice fellows, but dictators and erratic avengers, bloodthirsty, with ego issues, demanding to be worshiped, etc... like an "Eternal Gaddafi". Whatever such thing creates could be called many things, but "Heaven" isn't one of them.

Sorry, I really don't have the time to discuss this.
Let's say I show my love for all creation by letting you win this thread, OK ?

What an anti-climax.

[SmokeTooMuch]

Religion is by fact evil and should be avoided at all cost.

[Anonymous]

Religion is by fact evil and should be avoided at all cost.

Implying evil can be objectively defined.

[BCEmporium]

OK... but if religions were to be kept out of business (which I would agree to such) then some should had think about it before print that «In God we trust» in each USD bill.
Nevertheless I think it was a typo, they really meant «In goLd we trust», taken I don't see Americans or the treasure giving them away based in "God's love or trust"  

But also makes sense, as there's nothing to second or hold the value of USD (or any other current currency for that matters), it's value derives from "God" (or any other imaginary friend's) trust. «Hey pal, no, this has no gold or silver, you can't redeem it for nothing. But do you trust God? Then you must trust this.»

I agree to your emotional point also Atlas. But that's the user point of view, the "religious leader" is taken advantage of such need to scam the user.

[Anonymous]

I think restricting religion will only produce a more negative result than letting people surrender their freedom on their own.

[SmokeTooMuch]

I think restricting religion will only produce a more negative result than letting people surrender their freedom on their own.

Sure, but it should be avoided/restricted in education and politic and all other "opinion/decision making" bodies.

[BCEmporium]

I think restricting religion will only produce a more negative result than letting people surrender their freedom on their own.

I oppose restriction or any coercive means to stop it. Anyone must still be free to believe in Santa, aliens, God, fairies, Mickey, Bamby...
However is a subject that must be open to discussion and rational arguments either. I know it's more convenient to the religious scammers (leaders) that religion doesn't get targeted by criticism, but in a free and cult World, everything is up and open to criticism.

[Anonymous]

I think restricting religion will only produce a more negative result than letting people surrender their freedom on their own.

Sure, but it should be avoided/restricted in education and politic and all other "opinion/decision making" bodies.

Education isn't something that should be subject to restriction from your supposed "opinion/decision making" bodies. My preference is to see it as another voluntary independent enterprise.

We can pick-and-choose what we don't want schools to teach but in the end the oppressive majority is going to choose what everybody is going to be taught. It's a flawed system to begin with, in my view.

[Anonymous]

I think restricting religion will only produce a more negative result than letting people surrender their freedom on their own.

I oppose restriction or any coercive means to stop it. Anyone must still be free to believe in Santa, aliens, God, fairies, Mickey, Bamby...
However is a subject that must be open to discussion and rational arguments either. I know it's more convenient to the religious scammers (leaders) that religion doesn't get targeted by criticism, but in a free and cult World, everything is up and open to criticism.

Sure. I honestly don't see what's preventing that now. We have almost completely decentralized communication at the moment. There's little hindering such free criticism besides the people who don't have access.

[BCEmporium]

We can pick-and-choose what we don't want schools to teach but in the end the oppressive majority is going to choose what everybody is going to be taught. It's a flawed system to begin with, in my view.

The major flaw in the system is that more often the "loudest" group is heard, being or not the majority.

Say a majority don't want Creationism to be part of regular school, because it's little more than a fairy tale. But such majority has good cultural standards and aren't up to go on a Crusade for it, try to argue but not engage savage behaviors.
On the opposing you've a minority of fanatics starting right away to shout and burn buildings on the way.
In the end this minority of ignorants gets what they want and the majority is silenced.

[Anonymous]

We can pick-and-choose what we don't want schools to teach but in the end the oppressive majority is going to choose what everybody is going to be taught. It's a flawed system to begin with, in my view.

The major flaw in the system is that more often the "loudest" group is heard, being or not the majority.

I don't see that as a flaw but the fact that the most motivated group usually gets their way. Somebody is always going to get fucked over in a democracy.

[Bimmerhead]

Religion is by fact evil and should be avoided at all cost.

Implying evil can be objectively defined.

Exactly.  Wihout being able to appeal to a higher power, all morality becomes subjectively defined.

Thus calling anything 'evil' outside the context of a religious worldview is a self-defeating process.

"Religion is evil"
"Says who?"
"Says me"

So now it comes down to a battle of opinions, which usually results in the person with the most guns dominating.

No God, no objective morality.

[Anonymous]

Religion is by fact evil and should be avoided at all cost.

Implying evil can be objectively defined.

Exactly.  Wihout being able to appeal to a higher power, all morality becomes subjectively defined.

Thus calling anything 'evil' outside the context of a religious worldview is a self-defeating process.

"Religion is evil"
"Says who?"
"Says me"

So now it comes down to a battle of opinions, which usually results in the person with the most guns dominating.

No God, no objective morality.

Well, of course one could argue that life is in our best-interest and what destroys it could be considered "bad". Ayn Rand tried to make that argument but then the battle turns into what truly destroys life and what doesn't? In the end, that's left to the subjective whims of the individual.

[BCEmporium]

"Religion is evil"
"Says who?"
"Says me"

This is as valid as:

«Religion is good»
«Says who?»
«Says me»

Anything ending in "says who?/says me" is ultimately irrational!

And this:

No God, no objective morality.

is a fallacy.
God doesn't emanate "objective morality", but biased morality. As we can see on religions one way or another "God" is used to grant more privileges to its "followers", put to the correct term is the "followers" who builds "God's will" and not the other way around.