Moderated Bitcoin Forums?

[hugolp]

Yes, because everyone loves being moderated.

You belong in 1984.

While very few people like it when moderation is done to them, very many people prefer it when moderation is done for them.

Until a moderator comes along that doesn't like your particular point of view and uses the banhammer to silence your voice.

Yes, yes, the market will correct itself eventually, but why go through that in the first place? It just seems like people here don't like to see anything that is contrary to their worldview. The Bruce situation is wrong with the accusation of pedophilia, but it is very justified in questioning his decision making and heavy handedness when it comes to the location he chose.

Its easier than that. You can moderate by not allowing coments claiming something without proof or citation, and even more important not allowing personal attacks (unless they can clearly proof what they are saying about the other forum member is true).

With those two clear rules you can get quite a good forum without having to limit the range of ideas someone can express.

[BlockHash]

Yes, because everyone loves being moderated.

You belong in 1984.

While very few people like it when moderation is done to them, very many people prefer it when moderation is done for them.

Until a moderator comes along that doesn't like your particular point of view and uses the banhammer to silence your voice.

Yes, yes, the market will correct itself eventually, but why go through that in the first place? It just seems like people here don't like to see anything that is contrary to their worldview. The Bruce situation is wrong with the accusation of pedophilia, but it is very justified in questioning his decision making and heavy handedness when it comes to the location he chose.

Its easier than that. You can moderate by not allowing coments claiming something without proof or citation, and even more important not allowing personal attacks (unless they can clearly proof what they are saying about the other forum member is true).

With those two clear rules you can get quite a good forum without having to limit the range of ideas someone can express.

I agree with this. I think this is a good standard and a policy like this would be very beneficial to the community. 

So in your system, we could discuss the situation with Pattaya and the organizing of the conference in the way it was, but it would be off-limits to throw baseless pedophilia claims around. This is what should be happening here.

[Jalum]

Its easier than that. You can moderate by not allowing coments claiming something without proof or citation, and even more important not allowing personal attacks (unless they can clearly proof what they are saying about the other forum member is true).

The citations of Bruce's own words have been shown multiple times.  What further proof would you like, exactly?

[someotherguy]

Are there any good moderated forums for bitcoin that people can recommend?  I don't really like the thought of someone having that kind of control over forum postings, but this forum has degenerated to the point where I think such a forum is an unfortunate necessity.  And, btw, this kind of thing is not unique to bitcoin.  Almost every community that achieves some degree of popularity has to take such steps at some point.  I would also recommend shutting this forum down (an action that I think, while unfortunate, is probably in the best interest of bitcoin).

Yes, because everyone loves being moderated.

You belong in 1984.

I think you are wrong here Steve, and making a mistake.  Yes it's messy and yes at times unfair.  This is the nature of free speech in an open society.  Now that being said, slander and lies are another issue all together, if Mr. Wagner feels he was slandered and can prove that in a court of law, than by all means he should do so.

[Tasty Champa]

Vlad is probably one of the most no nonsense guys here, him and Nefario would probably make a great team.

[Maged]

Its easier than that. You can moderate by not allowing coments claiming something without proof or citation, and even more important not allowing personal attacks (unless they can clearly proof what they are saying about the other forum member is true).

The citations of Bruce's own words have been shown multiple times.  What further proof would you like, exactly?

I have to say, if it wasn't for the fact that there is actual evidence behind these accusations, I'd be supporting the deletion argument right now. However, I also don't think this would have become an issue if there wasn't evidence, so the point is moot.

[ctoon6]

TBH i see removing threads and posts as censorship. and any censorship to me is a direct attack freedom of speech, but if that's how they wish to run this forum, then that's their business. i have pondered just leaving for a while now, and seeing like 3 threads today being removed, sure made me angry.

[someotherguy]

Its easier than that. You can moderate by not allowing coments claiming something without proof or citation, and even more important not allowing personal attacks (unless they can clearly proof what they are saying about the other forum member is true).

The citations of Bruce's own words have been shown multiple times.  What further proof would you like, exactly?

I have to say, if it wasn't for the fact that there is actual evidence behind these accusations, I'd be supporting the deletion argument right now. However, I also don't think this would have become an issue if there wasn't evidence, so the point is moot.

If it was not for a free and open discussion about an emerging crisis, this entire thing may have played out for months, causing massive damage to Bitcoin.  Instead a rapid, focused, and determined investigation was conducted.  It resulted in very serious allegations, most of which is accompanied by solid supporting evidence.

No, free speech and open lines of communication are absolutely essential in any crisis, and this is especially true for Bitcoin.

[k]

The Bitcoin stack exchange site has just begun the private beta stage.
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com

Looks like it's only open to the original committers currently but will be open as a public beta from Tuesday, September 6.

I think it could be a good alternative to this forum and only host Bitcoin related topics without the other nonsense.

[BlockHash]

The Bitcoin stack exchange site has just begun the private beta stage.
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com

Looks like it's only open to the original committers currently but will be open as a public beta from Tuesday, September 6.

I think it could be a good alternative to this forum and only host Bitcoin related topics without the other nonsense.

Yes, that's the idea. Let's just plug our ears and whistle "Dixie" while our entire currency is taken over by scammers, con-artists, and worse.  That's the best plan, just pretend it's not even an issue and it'll go away!

[ctoon6]

i think there is a good chance that bitcoin may just drop out. mostly due to all the stuff that has been going on lately, like the recent scandal, mybitcoin, mtgox. it simply does not seem as likely as before. intrest in bitcoin is going down, as proof by the price dropping down.

[tvbcof]

I became something of a fan of the SA forum as of today.  A lot of the stuff is quite amusing to me.  Pretty anti-bitcoin, but that does not bother me to much nor does it sway my confidence in Bitcoin...from a system level perspective.

Although the thread of interest 'Bitcoin: Atlas shrugged and got fucked in the butt.' was very active today, the stupid server seems to have become dog slow over the last few hours and now it's time for me to hit the hay.  The situation is kinda like censo...er...moderation but less annoying.

[BitcoinPorn]

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/

theymos is the current mod there, but it is okay, reddit is reddit and still my top favorite bitcoin information and discussion place and what I consider "The Official Bitcoin Forums"

Second favorite is https://bitcoin.org.uk/, needs more users is all.

SomethingAwful is the third best.    I wish they would tag up and target their biggest Bitcoin thread as "bitcoin forums" to pull that #1 rank in google for all the people who click the "Forums" link from Bitcoin.org :/


These forums died the day it was taken off as the official forums, it is all soap opera and amusement, stick to the above links for seeing how Bitcoin is progressing, if at all.   Otherwise I use these forums for SolidCoin information now

[wolftaur]

Apparently freedom is a great concept until it becomes a minor inconvenience, right?

I'll take the inconvenience. It's much better than having my right to free speech being abused because a moderator can't take my sense of humor or me being the one who was right on a topic they took too personally.

[wolftaur]

Until a moderator comes along that doesn't like your particular point of view and uses the banhammer to silence your voice.

I'm actually permbanned from an IRC network I used for quite literally less than five minutes. Someone asked a question in a channel, and I knew the answer. Thanks to lag, I answered about simultaneously with an IRCop. We had different answers. He informed the channel I was wrong, but I had included a link in case anyone wanted more information.

When everyone said, "Um, actually, the people who make the equipment and posted the reference manual he just linked seem to agree with him..."

And off I go, with "People who make me look bad aren't welcome here" as the kill message. He actually banned my entire state on that ISP -- and the ban's still there five years later. (Along with like five users on a good day, from what I'm told.)

[Maged]

Until a moderator comes along that doesn't like your particular point of view and uses the banhammer to silence your voice.

I'm actually permbanned from an IRC network I used for quite literally less than five minutes. Someone asked a question in a channel, and I knew the answer. Thanks to lag, I answered about simultaneously with an IRCop. We had different answers. He informed the channel I was wrong, but I had included a link in case anyone wanted more information.

When everyone said, "Um, actually, the people who make the equipment and posted the reference manual he just linked seem to agree with him..."

And off I go, with "People who make me look bad aren't welcome here" as the kill message. He actually banned my entire state on that ISP -- and the ban's still there five years later. (Along with like five users on a good day, from what I'm told.)

That is the main reason why the Moderation team here can't directly ban anyone. All bans have to be reviewed.

[wolftaur]

That is the main reason why the Moderation team here can't directly ban anyone. All bans have to be reviewed.

Yeah, which is a really good policy, especially if the guy with final say is reasonable.

Though in the case I mentioned it was the server's actual owner who decided I had made him "look bad", and while nobody else agreed, the guy with root access can have his way no matter what.

[BitcoinPorn]

Let's just plug our ears and whistle "Dixie" while our entire currency is taken over by scammers, con-artists, and worse.  That's the best plan, just pretend it's not even an issue and it'll go away!

I am pretty sure this is what occurred with these forums and the disconnect from the Official Bitcoin.org a while ago, feel free to expect all users on these particular forums to follow suit.