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August 31, 2011, 05:01:26 AM
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Wolftaur. You did indeed.  In a back-n-forth you and I had about it (at least.)  You were %100 right and I was %100 wrong.  Cost me a few BTC and a very red face.

Bruce fooled the shit out of me.  In fact, thinking back on it, I believe I am the dumb-ass who suggested that he take charge of doling out the remains of the mybitcoin loot.  Thank God nobody listened to me on that one (I hope...I went on vacation for 9 days and didn't really follow things around that time.)

Live and learn.  But can someone please tell me that Bruce was indeed a relatively good con-artist and I am not a _complete_ retard for thinking he was genuine?  Please?  Anyone?

Look around. He still has people defending him. This sort of thing does happen a lot in con games.

There's a guy sitting in prison in my home state for exploiting a lot of elderly people and taking money and stealing valuables from their houses. It took him almost ten years to be caught and convicted, and a lot of the problem was that the victims wouldn't press charges, because "he did do some nice things." My next door neighbor was one of the victims.

This guy met her at a hospital after she had hip surgery, in the parking lot while she was waiting for her daughter to arrive to drive her home. That's what the guy did, actually, he hung out in places like hospital parking lots and church social functions to meet vulnerable people. In this case, he was "nice" and offered her some food he conveniently had with him. He tells her all about how he knows what she's going through because his mother had hip surgery. (This was not true.) He ends up volunteering to help and gives her his phone number.

For several weeks he shows up bringing her groceries, he drives her for a doctor's appointment, he mows her lawn. He stole over $15,000 worth of jewelry, her credit cards, the emergency cash (several thousand dollars!) in the house, some antique furniture... and she still defended him because he had done a few "nice" things for her.

No matter what else Bruce did, he raised awareness of Bitcoin. It's quite easy to look at that and think the only reason he would do that is because he's a "good guy", and frankly, if it turns out to have been a scam (and there's a reason they call this type of thing a "confidence game", which is just "con" for short) a lot of people will not want to admit they were wrong, and continue defending the criminal.

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(BTW, I _still_ feel that having a demonstrated chunk of funds going to charity from anonymous members of the Bitcoin community is a damn good idea.  The rest of those in that brainstorming session will have some work to do to wash their hands of The Bruce and convince me that they never were part of the same nets of rats.)

I agree completely! And I was extremely thrilled to see someone else pick up the torch and turn his existing product into a charity-friendly one and waive the fees. I hope that gets some real traction -- and in fact, I'm talking to a local friend who is a director at a local charity to see if I can interest him. I loved the Bitcoin for charity idea... I just wanted the charity to not be Bruce's retirement fund.

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September 01, 2011, 06:20:12 AM
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Wolftaur. You did indeed.  In a back-n-forth you and I had about it (at least.)  You were %100 right and I was %100 wrong.  Cost me a few BTC and a very red face.
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Look around. He still has people defending him. This sort of thing does happen a lot in con games.
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And for a little more salt in my wound, the SA guys just dug up some dirt on the memory guy.  Or so it seems at first glance.

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September 01, 2011, 06:24:25 AM
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Wolftaur. You did indeed.  In a back-n-forth you and I had about it (at least.)  You were %100 right and I was %100 wrong.  Cost me a few BTC and a very red face.
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Look around. He still has people defending him. This sort of thing does happen a lot in con games.
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And for a little more salt in my wound, the SA guys just dug up some dirt on the memory guy.  Or so it seems at first glance.

Relax, sit back, give it time, and don't jump to any conclusions.

The SA guys also made plenty of accusations about Bruce that didn't stick, such as, well, him being a pedophile. I've seen no proof of that. I've only seen innuendo being repeated by people who obviously don't know gay lingo. (Being gay and more than a little kinky myself, I know just how many ways that "evidence" can be taken, and frankly, just about no way I would read it involves a child.)

Just because the memory guy was associated with Bruce -- and remember, during a period of time where none of us knew what Bruce really was, the Bold Funding scam, etc -- does not mean he agrees with Bruce's morals, or opinions, especially if he thought Bruce was what many in the Bitcoin community thought until recently. The memory guy, just like Bruce, should be treated as innocent until proven guilty.

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September 01, 2011, 06:33:37 AM
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Unless there's something I didn't see, the Memory Dealers accusations are pretty tame compared to what Bruce has been up to, and probably not even something a lot of people on here would disagree with (though I definitely do).

He sold explosives on eBay and sent them through the mail and ended up spending 10 months in jail for that. Also, some quote from him about preferring Japanese women who won't talk back and know their place instead of more independent American women. (Apparently FREEDOM really sucks when other people have it)

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(Being gay and more than a little kinky myself, I know just how many ways that "evidence" can be taken, and frankly, just about no way I would read it involves a child.)

"The 500 Baht Virgin". In the child sex capitol of the world. Unless "virgin" means "experienced 20-something gentleman" in gay lingo, I'm going to keep on calling Bruce a creep.
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September 01, 2011, 06:38:47 AM
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Someone here explain to me how someone over 18 in the sex industry is a virgin, I will drop any mention of it then.

Either way I don't really want to focus on it I just wouldn't dismiss it so easily. The real issue is that some people still trust Bruce way too much (ie the sponsors). These people are going to be the most likely to be defrauded.
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September 01, 2011, 06:47:23 AM
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Unless there's something I didn't see, the Memory Dealers accusations are pretty tame compared to what Bruce has been up to, and probably not even something a lot of people on here would disagree with (though I definitely do).

He sold explosives on eBay and sent them through the mail and ended up spending 10 months in jail for that. Also, some quote from him about preferring Japanese women who won't talk back and know their place instead of more independent American women. (Apparently FREEDOM really sucks when other people have it)

Heh... Explosives... I can't exactly say I'm innocent of that. Not selling them, I mean. But I did get myself in quite some trouble at the boarding school I used to attend. Smiley

As far as the comment about Japanese women versus American women... It's not as if things like bondage or domination/submission are unheard of. And some newbies to that realm take a little bit to, well, 'get it' that it's a game, and if someone is wearing a leather harness it has to be because they want to be wearing a leather harness, etc. At worst, the comment is pretty sexist, which is objectionable but not unforgivable. At best, it's actually relatively benign and he's expressing what is a legitimate preference that he hasn't yet been educated about the proper etiquette and lingo for.

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(Being gay and more than a little kinky myself, I know just how many ways that "evidence" can be taken, and frankly, just about no way I would read it involves a child.)
"The 500 Baht Virgin". In the child sex capitol of the world. Unless "virgin" means "experienced 20-something gentleman" in gay lingo, I'm going to keep on calling Bruce a creep.
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That comment, I had not seen. All of the stuff I had seen was that he was referring to them as "boys" and things like that. The other comments I saw, yeah, I can easily take them many ways that don't mean pedophile. The 500 Baht Virgin? I think I have to say that one would convince me. I've been sitting here for several minutes thinking about all the things I like, the terms I've heard from people like me from different parts of the world (lingo is always at least somewhat regional), conversations I've heard with other people into stuff that's legal but much more bizarre than I'm into ... I'm sitting here thinking really hard on it. Like I've said before, pedophile is a really, really serious accusation. One which I must now admit I believe is likely to be true, because even with all the fringe stuff I'm interested in, the multitude of people from different English-speaking areas I've talked to, all the chat I've seen and heard even on things I'm not into...

I cannot think of any remotely plausible way to interpret that phrase in a way that means Bruce is probably talking about an adult.

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September 01, 2011, 07:02:19 AM
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Relax, sit back, give it time, and don't jump to any conclusions.

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In case you worry about my mindset, know that this whole Bitcoin thing generally, and the Bruce-and-possible-friends thing in particular, is one of the most amusing things I've run across in a long long time.  I'm not unrelaxed, per-se, but am quite interested and have not laughed out loud at so many things for a while.

I fancy myself a pretty good judge of character generally, and usually pretty careful and suspicious.  So the way I was stone cold fooled by Bruce is embarrassing, amusing, and very valuable to me.  The several BTC I donated to 'charity' was about the most money I have lost to a scammer in a long time, but in fairness I am not really in an environment where I run across that many at the present time.

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September 01, 2011, 07:12:02 AM
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In case you worry about my mindset, know that this whole Bitcoin thing generally, and the Bruce-and-possible-friends thing in particular, is one of the most amusing things I've run across in a long long time.  I'm not unrelaxed, per-se, but am quite interested and have not laughed out loud at so many things for a while.

Nah, I don't worry about that. My words were meant for everyone, and it's something I have been saying repeatedly throughout this whole drawn out fiasco -- just because there's been so many accusations made without thought of getting real proof first.

And, yeah, some of this stuff has been drop-dead funny. Personally I'm still proud of myself for the Bitcoin Jesus comment. Smiley

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I fancy myself a pretty good judge of character generally, and usually pretty careful and suspicious.  So the way I was stone cold fooled by Bruce is embarrassing, amusing, and very valuable to me.  The several BTC I donated to 'charity' was about the most money I have lost to a scammer in a long time, but in fairness I am not really in an environment where I run across that many at the present time.

It's because the guy is so cheerful and energetic all the time. "UP UP UP!" Signing emails to random viewers "Nothing but love". Things like that. It honestly just isn't what you expect from a con man.

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September 01, 2011, 10:37:22 AM
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I'm calling for it, but it wont happen.
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September 01, 2011, 07:48:57 PM
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I wish people would stop making threads about Bruce. 

I wish you'd realize that, as the man basically declared himself the Bitcoin Jesus and got the support of everyone here, this is a Big Deal

If he was the Bitcoin Jesus, the 25,000 bitcoins he lost would have returned in three days.

+1 LOL

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September 02, 2011, 07:43:49 AM
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Live and learn.  But can someone please tell me that Bruce was indeed a relatively good con-artist and I am not a _complete_ retard for thinking he was genuine?  Please?  Anyone?

Even the GBS goons liked Bruce for a while (especially when he bought them the quadricopter), so don't feel too bad about taking him at face value initially.  People were already getting cynical about Bruce before the goons started any serious digging.  I suspect that had Bruce continued to over-hype and under-deliver then people may have started delving for more information about Bruce anyway eventually - goons have just brought that information to light sooner than it might otherwise have surfaced.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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