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January 15, 2014, 10:47:12 AM
Last edit: November 27, 2014, 09:03:23 PM by semaster
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As I have a number of different mining hardware I decided to make some practical comparison of mining pools.

So I get two antMiners 180Gh each and pointed one of them to BTCGuild and other to p2pool node. Initial results of mining (180Gh) for period:
from 1 January till 14 January 2014: p2pool - BTC0.952269785 VS btcguild (PPS) - BTC0.77025336

Now is running continuous benchmark  6 antminers total 1080Gh on each pool:
14-31 Jan 2014:      p2pool - BTC2.99025045 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC5.0158
1-14  Feb 2014:      p2pool - BTC3.2248 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC2.7164 VS Eligius BTC2.5137
15-28  Feb 2014:    p2pool - BTC2.5711 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC2.4763 VS Eligius BTC2.0456
1-14 March 2014:    p2pool - BTC1.1336 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC1.7816 VS Eligius BTC1.7655
15-31 March 2014:  p2pool - BTC2.0796 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC1.7523 VS Eligius BTC1.7838
1-14 April 2014:      p2pool - BTC1.0615 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC1.1026 VS Eligius BTC1.2293
15-30 April 2014:     p2pool - BTC1.2836 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC1.2097 VS Eligius BTC1.2339
1-14 May 2014:      p2pool - BTC0.7297 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.7750 VS Eligius BTC1.0017
15-31 May 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.9148 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.7351 VS Eligius BTC0.7290
1-14 June 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.4106 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.5750 VS Eligius BTC0.5481
15-30 June 2014:   p2pool - BTC0.9081 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.6732 VS Eligius BTC0.5135
1-14 July 2014:      p2pool - BTC0.6109 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.3858 VS Eligius BTC0.4402
15-31 July 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.6724 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.4581 VS Eligius BTC0.4614
1-14 Aug 2014:      p2pool - BTC0.4627 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.2729 VS Eligius BTC0.2676
15-31 Aug 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.2996VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.3578 VS Eligius BTC0.3613
1-14 Sept 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.0878VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.2675VS Eligius BTC0.2782
15-31 Sept 2014:   p2pool - BTC0.1344VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.1743VS Eligius BTC0.2068
1-14 Oct 2014:      p2pool - BTC0.1764VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.1890VS Eligius BTC0.2478
15-30 Oct 2014:    p2pool - BTC0.2102VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.1907VS Eligius BTC0.1767


Total from 1 Feb 2014: p2pool - BTC16.9718 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC16.0933 VS Eligius BTC15.8041

Benchmark is goin on:
1080GH = 6 x AntMiners pointed to p2pool node - benchmark is running on Elizium node
1080GH = 6 x antMiners to Eligius.st
1080GH = 6 x antMiners to btcguild

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January 15, 2014, 05:17:38 PM
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What firmware do you have on those antminers? Your DOA rate is quite high.
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January 15, 2014, 05:46:06 PM
Last edit: January 15, 2014, 09:25:52 PM by semaster
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What firmware do you have on those antminers? Your DOA rate is quite high.

Thanks for tip.
I updated firmware to the last current from https://github.com/AntMiner/AntGen1/tree/master/firmware
and now DOA is much less

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January 15, 2014, 08:41:11 PM
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not really a ideal benchmark because of the differences of p2pool and PPS. as you could of been mining during a lucky time for the pool hence higher rewards. also got to factor in pool fees. for example next week the results could be much closer..
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January 15, 2014, 08:53:24 PM
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not really a ideal benchmark because of the differences of p2pool and PPS. as you could of been mining during a lucky time for the pool hence higher rewards. also got to factor in pool fees. for example next week the results could be much closer..


p2pool should always beat PPS on BTC Guild in the long run.  That's the trade off you make for PPS:  Steady income at a high fee vs extremely random income at low/no fee.


A much better benchmark is comparing BTC Guild PPLNS to p2pool.  But even then, as zerokwel pointed out, luck is going to be what determines anything.  In the extremely long run, p2pool will win (low fee).  But BTC Guild will be MUCH more steady from week to week.  It's up to miners to determine how much steady income, management interface, email alerts, etc., are worth to them.

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January 15, 2014, 10:17:24 PM
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It's up to miners to determine how much steady income, management interface, email alerts, etc., are worth to them.

Let's not forget the issues surrounding network centralization and what that may do to confidence in Bitcoin itself (the hand that feeds). We should also keep in mind that mining directly to an address you control has the advantage of requiring no third party trust. Many of us have been around long enough to see miners lose revenue because the traditional pool they mined on was hacked (I'm not suggesting this would happen at BTCGuild, only that it is not beyond the realm of possibility). I do hope the miners consider all of these issues when choosing how to deploy their hashing power.

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January 27, 2014, 11:42:30 AM
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bitparking, as long as you are not expecting a steady rate of coins, you'll find long rounds followed by quick blocks... and merge mining with a range of other coins. bitparking. definately.  Grin

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January 27, 2014, 02:17:07 PM
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I agree that comparing to BTCGuild PPLNS would be much more useful. However, the end result should just be that P2POOL comes out ahead because of BTCGuild's 3% fee.

I thought about setting up a pool last year but decided there were already so many good ones, so what would be the point? I made a TRC pool instead. I've thought about doing it again recently, but I still come back to the fact there are multiple good pools and apparently you can charge a 3% fee and be the 2nd largest pool in the world. So you can't even try to compete for traffic by doing a lower fee.
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January 28, 2014, 04:50:54 PM
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apparently you can charge a 3% fee and be the 2nd largest pool in the world

Now think of this:  Essentially btcguild is getting 3% of the total hashrate for running the service so at 4,534 TH/s is ~136 TH.  Throw that into any calculator without fixed costs as it's essentially "free" and realize running a successful pool is making someone very, very rich.

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January 28, 2014, 05:22:39 PM
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apparently you can charge a 3% fee and be the 2nd largest pool in the world

Now think of this:  Essentially btcguild is getting 3% of the total hashrate for running the service so at 4,534 TH/s is ~136 TH.  Throw that into any calculator without fixed costs as it's essentially "free" and realize running a successful pool is making someone very, very rich.


Certainly the very biggest pools make a lot of money, and the next tier of pools make a profit. Personally I'd like to set up a network of pool nodes around the world with latency based routing to get you automatically to the fastest one and such. But the problem is paying for 6-10 servers around the world gets expensive when it's unlikely you can attract enough miners to even break even.
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January 29, 2014, 03:24:04 AM
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apparently you can charge a 3% fee and be the 2nd largest pool in the world

Now think of this:  Essentially btcguild is getting 3% of the total hashrate for running the service so at 4,534 TH/s is ~136 TH.  Throw that into any calculator without fixed costs as it's essentially "free" and realize running a successful pool is making someone very, very rich.


Why is there no fixed costs?
The pool operates need to maintain both the software and hardware, and need to deal with problems like DDoS.
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January 29, 2014, 05:56:28 AM
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Why is there no fixed costs?
The pool operates need to maintain both the software and hardware, and need to deal with problems like DDoS.

Irrelevant for the given calculators.  Despite this, hosted hardware is cheap, software is easy to maintain and DDoS can be mitigated.  The expenses are a very small amount of the net generated. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against people profiting from their services.  I've been using BTC Guild since early '13 but I have been pondering moving some of my miners over to p2pool like the OP (which we have hijacked the thread).


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February 01, 2014, 10:24:53 AM
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result of continuous benchmark is awesome  Sad
Seems a big unluck on p2pool

Continuous benchmark (PPLNS) 6 antminers total 1080Gh:
from 14 Jan till 31 Jan 2014: p2pool - 2,99025045 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - 5,0158 - PPLNS in both cases

benchmark is going on. 

eligius.st added to compare in next round

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February 11, 2014, 10:12:22 AM
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So if I have 1 Antminer S1, would you suggest to use btcguild (PPLNS) ?

How about Slush pool?
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So if I have 1 Antminer S1, would you suggest to use btcguild (PPLNS) ?

How about Slush pool?

The math shows that p2pool will come out better over time (plus lower fees, in theory lower orphans, mining right to your own address so no worries about lost/stolen coins), many people are impatient or haven't read enough and won't give p2pool a few months to show its benefits. 

The OP is discussing doing a longer-term test to show this.  Pools have plenty of variance so even if the math shows that p2pool is going to come out ahead, there are weeks where it won't.  And visa versa, weeks where it would come out way ahead.
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February 15, 2014, 09:11:55 AM
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Here is result of next round benchmark
1-14  Feb 2014: p2pool - BTC3.2248 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC2.7164 VS Eligius BTC2.5137

As we can see this period p2pool is in favor.
Strange thing with eligius.st - on stats page eligius reports BTC2.5137 but real payout for the to address is only 2.0026

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February 15, 2014, 10:52:47 AM
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Strange thing with eligius.st - on stats page eligius reports BTC2.5137 but real payout for the to address is only 2.0026
I see ~2.5137 BTC payout(first tx 2014-02-02 12:28:51, last 2014-02-14 20:41:16)
Did you count these tx:
1) https://blockchain.info/ru/tx/ef086bf7ee8a8742fe16a14ac0f3535293d8fe5e8ae0331357508b60e4d99e52
2) https://blockchain.info/ru/tx/7a7170a1014dd3295512bf52040a244a032d9db7742697293afd4cae06ad9b27
3) https://blockchain.info/ru/tx/89fea198c9a8e7daeccdf7005bea2bccc8507d14faafceeed8efe10f0d9e2ddd
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February 15, 2014, 11:01:32 AM
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here are incomes from mining on eligius (https://blockchain.info/address/1N8SATrJGSFCX1E1SuH8DgjMy4QTKy2uP7?filter=2)
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2014-02-14T23:40:41 0.13666806 914e71227e3160af06108f4db8e9f9be576a18a9c2f5fe8aee50ce495346c056
2014-02-14T04:40:58 0.09247559 f30d4e5f2a70566f38eeb3ddc1eddbaf514daa3093757695460b88bcf8735ad7
2014-02-13T15:44:22 0.05058486 da7ed7a0fb2c47382ccea8ef5b5cdbffa2923fce58fe72c3b7ff019a6e2997f3
2014-02-13T01:07:46 0.20398982 fb0cde368061f631299caea355957fe598410657f54e4964445954c7ad9eb106
2014-02-11T17:47:56 0.15712258 71d9090f4a97cdf6beaba136eea111450f98cd75795ea6fc825f5ecb4e440be3
2014-02-11T17:47:56 0.13202596 fdcb66d7d64927eb7ba54252efefc44f88d0f9b6c8f6afea19a122f05a5afb56
2014-02-11T17:47:56 0.10336816 e508774070cbaa7bb6634f75fc8a2ff3a51b8a29e2bd3da449287ef09fd67f7f
2014-02-11T17:47:56 0.07013746 eb3976534fe21617a321d1e9d213baacc8d491d7d844fea6e261c4573e60ae65
2014-02-08T20:36:25 0.06442454 88406f9c5d9b0f0d3dd474dc75e0bd3f839d45ed0cde355c344da9db4c3fe2c6
2014-02-08T12:03:24 0.04373622 fd8e3a259b8eea1e939fbb6fdf6aecb1461751d323a77e95fd2a2dbd029bcc0b
2014-02-07T19:24:41 0.21350745 a7f02ad95de95c5f3a17750125beb71cf527abeb5ede08283bb4cc323afec30b
2014-02-06T01:31:40 0.19869417 708cc1fb16551440beea163175b7368203d903e65f3b2cc37dd74919a18bc716
2014-02-05T05:16:41 0.17318455 d445a08a119735f134b8d3c38131ff53456c0b04e0cc01d1c49e6266e4af74ac
2014-02-03T14:33:24 0.20667       974bf04f7abe944d783cbd4aacdda68f529ca16c5865b7a5d81017de4d61ed7b
2014-02-02T15:27:36 0.15608154 f136e17921ada79c9d875a5a9623a01a05dc294dfc76d0a31c2d72b5fbfaa405
I started benchmark on eligius from 1 Feb - income to that address for this period is 2.0026 while eligius stats page reports 2.5137

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February 15, 2014, 11:24:20 AM
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All time total payout: 2.51377786 BTC
1) 0.15608154
2) 0.20667
1 + 2 = 0,36275154
3) 0.19437356
1 + 2 + 3 = 0,5571251
4)0.17318455
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 =  0,73030965
5) 0.19869417
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +5 = 0,92900382
6)0.21350745
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 = 1,14251127
7)0.24787598
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 = 1,39038725
8) 0.04373622
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 = 1,43412347
9) 0.06442454
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 = 1,49854801
10)0.07013746
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 = 1,56868547
11) 0.10336816
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 = 1,67205363
12) 0.13202596
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 = 1,80407959
13) 0.15712258
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 = 1,96120217
14) 0.20398982
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 = 2,16519199
15) 0.06885736
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 = 2,23404935
16) 0.05058486
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 = 2,28463421
17) 0.09247559
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 = 2,3771098
18) 0.13666806
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 + 18 = 2,51377786
Q.E.D.
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All time total payout: 2.51377786 BTC
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3) 0.19437356
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7)0.24787598
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15) 0.06885736


3) 7) and 15) - that IS NOT  Newly Generated Coins.
Ok. I will check it, but I counted only Newly Generated Coins

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All time total payout: 2.51377786 BTC
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3) 0.19437356
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7)0.24787598
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15) 0.06885736


3) 7) and 15) - that IS NOT  Newly Generated Coins.
Ok. I will check it, but I counted only Newly Generated Coins

Sometimes (ex. when payout queue is very long) wizkid057 would make manual payout with normal transaction,
it is not unusual.

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3) 7) and 15) - that IS NOT  Newly Generated Coins.
Ok. I will check it, but I counted only Newly Generated Coins
15) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441465.msg5112997#msg5112997
7)  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441465.msg5011069#msg5011069
3) No post about 3) but coins are sent from 1StatsQytc7UEZ9sHJ9BGX2csmkj8XZr2
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Donations/Tips appreciated: 1StatsQytc7UEZ9sHJ9BGX2csmkj8XZr2

Thanks for your tests. I'll wait for Round 3  Wink
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March 01, 2014, 11:50:50 AM
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next round and next results
15-28  Feb 2014: p2pool - BTC2.5711 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC2.4763 VS Eligius BTC2.0456

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This is a cool test, and I know a lot of people appreciate seeing the results.  It will take a long time to be useful!
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Great benchmark thread.
Any chance you could throw GHash.io into the mix?

I know, I know, we don't want to have the same "oh noes GHash.io is gonna take over the network PANIC" we recently had, but hear me out.  If we had a reasoned and documented benchmark like you're doing here that compared the top pools like BTCGuild and GHash.io with p2pool and spread word of this on Reddit and elsewhere, given positive results for p2pool in comparison, we may be able to sway some hashpower to public or local nodes of p2pool.  Just a few switch overs could make a decent difference in the overall health of the Network.  P2pool has been suffering from lack of overall hashpower vs the rest of the network and has been relatively flat in growth for a long while now.

That said I still think BTCGuild is the best centralized pool overall and Eleuthuria does an outstanding job that's well worth the 3%. He's always top of the list for my failover pools.

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March 03, 2014, 05:52:38 PM
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Nice im working on setting up a pool and found ur test very helpful

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March 04, 2014, 07:49:56 AM
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I known :
btcGuild is btcGuild.com
Eligius is Eligius.st

P2Pool which website? P2Pool.in or P2Pool.org?


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I known :
btcGuild is btcGuild.com
Eligius is Eligius.st

P2Pool which website? P2Pool.in or P2Pool.org?



P2pool can be through any public node or your own personal node, they all connect together into one large pool.

Public nodes: http://p2pool-nodes.info/

http://p2pool.in/ is the main info site for setting up p2pool node yourself.

P2pool.org is a fake p2pool (as noted in the small text on bottom of the site, "not affiliated with p2pool and forrestv". They just took advantage of the name).

Elizium.name is a popular public p2pool node... And I have a public node listed in my sig.

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I known :
btcGuild is btcGuild.com
Eligius is Eligius.st

P2Pool which website? P2Pool.in or P2Pool.org?



P2pool can be through any public node or your own personal node, they all connect together into one large pool.

Public nodes: http://p2pool-nodes.info/

http://p2pool.in/ is the main info site for setting up p2pool node yourself.

P2pool.org is a fake p2pool (as noted in the small text on bottom of the site, "not affiliated with p2pool and forrestv". They just took advantage of the name).

Elizium.name is a popular public p2pool node... And I have a public node listed in my sig.

many thanks. will try for this pool

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I known :
btcGuild is btcGuild.com
Eligius is Eligius.st

P2Pool which website? P2Pool.in or P2Pool.org?



P2pool can be through any public node or your own personal node, they all connect together into one large pool.

Public nodes: http://p2pool-nodes.info/

http://p2pool.in/ is the main info site for setting up p2pool node yourself.

P2pool.org is a fake p2pool (as noted in the small text on bottom of the site, "not affiliated with p2pool and forrestv". They just took advantage of the name).

Elizium.name is a popular public p2pool node... And I have a public node listed in my sig.



Just a point of clarification, I believe that p2pool.org is a node in the p2pool network given the software being used, the network hash rate shown the comments from p2pool.org in the p2pool software section.  The statement in their footer is just clarifying that they are not forrestv nor the home of the p2pool software - unless of course their stats etc are all fake.

There are a number of public p2pool nodes as you say.

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I known :
btcGuild is btcGuild.com
Eligius is Eligius.st

P2Pool which website? P2Pool.in or P2Pool.org?



P2pool can be through any public node or your own personal node, they all connect together into one large pool.

Public nodes: http://p2pool-nodes.info/

http://p2pool.in/ is the main info site for setting up p2pool node yourself.

P2pool.org is a fake p2pool (as noted in the small text on bottom of the site, "not affiliated with p2pool and forrestv". They just took advantage of the name).

Elizium.name is a popular public p2pool node... And I have a public node listed in my sig.



Just a point of clarification, I believe that p2pool.org is a node in the p2pool network given the software being used, the network hash rate shown the comments from p2pool.org in the p2pool software section.  The statement in their footer is just clarifying that they are not forrestv nor the home of the p2pool software - unless of course their stats etc are all fake.

There are a number of public p2pool nodes as you say.



I'm just going by the common "wisdom" that gets passed around the forums and reddit every few weeks/months:
http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoinmining/comments/1vizp3/psa_p2poolorg_is_not_the_real_p2pool/
I see posts like this all the time...

If they're a valid node, they really should re-evaluate their disclaimer.  Saying they don't represent p2pool and forrestv, but are a valid node of the P2Pool network for the various coins they support would be much better than saying, "not affiliated with p2pool and forrestv" which gives a connotation of being totally separate from the rest of the P2Pool network.

It's much clearer with your p2pool.com in your sig.


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March 05, 2014, 01:20:30 AM
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I known :
btcGuild is btcGuild.com
Eligius is Eligius.st

P2Pool which website? P2Pool.in or P2Pool.org?



P2pool can be through any public node or your own personal node, they all connect together into one large pool.

Public nodes: http://p2pool-nodes.info/

http://p2pool.in/ is the main info site for setting up p2pool node yourself.

P2pool.org is a fake p2pool (as noted in the small text on bottom of the site, "not affiliated with p2pool and forrestv". They just took advantage of the name).

Elizium.name is a popular public p2pool node... And I have a public node listed in my sig.


p2pool.org isnt fake at all, but i imagine the horrid efficiency there turns a lot of ppl off to p2pool in general

grats on the guy getting the p2pool.org domain though, there's 3.5thash worth of suckers mining bitcoins on there right now.  55mhash on litecoins.  all for the privilege of having some 75% efficiency rating (*and paying a 3% fee)
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btcGuild is btcGuild.com
Eligius is Eligius.st

P2Pool which website? P2Pool.in or P2Pool.org?



P2pool can be through any public node or your own personal node, they all connect together into one large pool.

Public nodes: http://p2pool-nodes.info/

http://p2pool.in/ is the main info site for setting up p2pool node yourself.

P2pool.org is a fake p2pool (as noted in the small text on bottom of the site, "not affiliated with p2pool and forrestv". They just took advantage of the name).

Elizium.name is a popular public p2pool node... And I have a public node listed in my sig.



Just a point of clarification, I believe that p2pool.org is a node in the p2pool network given the software being used, the network hash rate shown the comments from p2pool.org in the p2pool software section.  The statement in their footer is just clarifying that they are not forrestv nor the home of the p2pool software - unless of course their stats etc are all fake.

There are a number of public p2pool nodes as you say.



I'm just going by the common "wisdom" that gets passed around the forums and reddit every few weeks/months:
http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoinmining/comments/1vizp3/psa_p2poolorg_is_not_the_real_p2pool/
I see posts like this all the time...

If they're a valid node, they really should re-evaluate their disclaimer.  Saying they don't represent p2pool and forrestv, but are a valid node of the P2Pool network for the various coins they support would be much better than saying, "not affiliated with p2pool and forrestv" which gives a connotation of being totally separate from the rest of the P2Pool network.

It's much clearer with your p2pool.com in your sig.



I agree. I don't know the guy, but clarification would be useful. :-)

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up results of round 1-14 March 2014

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up results of round 1-14 March 2014

what result for that time frame?

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up results of round 1-14 March 2014

what result for that time frame?
1-14 March 2014: p2pool - BTC1.1336 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC1.7816 VS Eligius BTC1.7655

results in first post.

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15-31 March 2014: p2pool - BTC2.0796 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC1.7523 VS Eligius BTC1.7838

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15-31 March 2014: p2pool - BTC2.0796 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC1.7523 VS Eligius BTC1.7838

Thank you for your continuing updates.

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Hi,

do you think u can update weekly ?

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Hi,do you think u can update weekly ?
Joe
seems that one week too short for p2pool

1-14 April 2014: p2pool - BTC1.0615 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC1.1026 VS Eligius BTC1.2293

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Hi,do you think u can update weekly ?
Joe
seems that one week too short for p2pool
1-14 April 2014: p2pool - BTC1.0615 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC1.1026 VS Eligius BTC1.2293

No payout ??
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p2pool is around 1.5 days per block on average so the week-to-week variance will be much higher than a pool that finds many blocks per day. Smiley
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15-30 April 2014:     p2pool - BTC1.2836 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC1.2097 VS Eligius BTC1.2339

full benchmark in first post

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Are 6 antminers on one pool produce the same GH/s as the other pools? 

It is not a fair comparison if 6 antminers on Btcguild has 1200 GH/s and Elgius has 980 GH/s

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Are 6 antminers on one pool produce the same GH/s as the other pools? 

It is not a fair comparison if 6 antminers on Btcguild has 1200 GH/s and Elgius has 980 GH/s

6 antminers are equal to 6 antminers. Isn't it ?

if one pool shows more or less ghs - that is problem of pool software.
if one pool makes more or less reward - that is pool software and reward system

And this benchmark is running to show this things in action, while every pool is pointed with equal hardware hashpower.

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Are 6 antminers on one pool produce the same GH/s as the other pools? 

It is not a fair comparison if 6 antminers on Btcguild has 1200 GH/s and Elgius has 980 GH/s

6 antminers are equal to 6 antminers. Isn't it ?

if one pool shows more or less ghs - that is problem of pool software.
if one pool makes more or less reward - that is pool software and reward system

And this benchmark is running to show this things in action, while every pool is pointed with equal hardware hashpower.

It is not true.  The hash rate can vary widely depends on the temperature.

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Are 6 antminers on one pool produce the same GH/s as the other pools? 

It is not a fair comparison if 6 antminers on Btcguild has 1200 GH/s and Elgius has 980 GH/s

6 antminers are equal to 6 antminers. Isn't it ?

if one pool shows more or less ghs - that is problem of pool software.
if one pool makes more or less reward - that is pool software and reward system

And this benchmark is running to show this things in action, while every pool is pointed with equal hardware hashpower.

It is not true.  The hash rate can vary widely depends on the temperature.
Yes, can vary. But it can matter when compare 1 machine vs 1 machine
In this banchmark 6 machines vs 6 vs 6 - and they are located in one room so temp is constant for all.
Also I assure you that difference in hash between every block (6 antes) when they pointed to same pool is less than 1% - I checked that a few times by pointed to one pool with diff workers.

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Did you buy the Ants in December at typical prices? Looks like you just about ROI'ed.
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Did you buy the Ants in December at typical prices? Looks like you just about ROI'ed.
Yes, I bought them at typical prices on the end of December.

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Did you buy the Ants in December at typical prices? Looks like you just about ROI'ed.
Yes, I bought them at typical prices on the end of December.


Do you like them?  Would you like to buy more.  I know a very good place to buy them.

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Did you buy the Ants in December at typical prices? Looks like you just about ROI'ed.
Yes, I bought them at typical prices on the end of December.
Do you like them?  Would you like to buy more.  I know a very good place to buy them.
If that place has cheaper ants than bitmaintech - pm me Smiley But from any private or untrusted sites I will buy only with "Pay On Delivery"


15-31 May 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.9148 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.7351 VS Eligius BTC0.7290

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With p2pool not finding a block for 3 days, it is very interesting to see this week's results.

Thanks for your benchmarking!

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1-14 June 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.4106 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.5750 VS Eligius BTC0.5481

Total from 1 Feb 2014: p2pool - BTC13.4093 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC13.124 VS Eligius BTC12.8506

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1-14 June 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.4106 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.5750 VS Eligius BTC0.5481

Total from 1 Feb 2014: p2pool - BTC13.4093 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC13.124 VS Eligius BTC12.8506


thx for compiling & contributing to the community.

the profits mined are before or after fees?
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Ok now (as a noob  Smiley) I am really confused.

A mate and I have been mucking around with a couple of relatively small miners (total about 1.2Ths) for the last month or so. We have also been "dabbling" in the rentals of Rigs etc.

We have been using "Slush's" pool pretty well 100% except for when I rented a "dragon miner" that had a difficulty setting issue with Slush's so I switched to Ghash.

I suppose this is what made me start thinking WTF  Huh

I have learnt that with Slush's it is hardly worth the risk of renting something for less than 24 hours (based on the avg of 6 block/day - which it has been for the last 13 days) as you are not guarenteed any payout if your rented miner runs out 10-15 mins before the block is found, therfore money down the drain if you rented for a shorter time. However the payout seem quite good for "consistant" hashing etc.

In comparison with Ghash - though I haven't spent much time on there - but with the rental I have aimed there it seemed though I got a lot more consistant little payments but in the calculation over the 24hrs it still lost BTC compared to the cost of rental.

Am I missing something here? - What is the point of renting a rig if it is only going to cost you BTC in the long run?

These might be "noob" questions and I am not trying to be "greedy" as such (I don't mind taking a risk) but I would like to understand better where the various pitfalls of the various pools are and I obviously would like to make a profit from doing this (otherwise the interest in rentals will fade over time)

Forums like this help - but I am still quite confused as to where the best place to point rentals is to at least get a decent return. Any advice would be appreciated  Cheesy
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but with the rental I have aimed there it seemed though I got a lot more consistant little payments but in the calculation over the 24hrs it still lost BTC compared to the cost of rental.

Am I missing something here? - What is the point of renting a rig if it is only going to cost you BTC in the long run?

Common sense dictates the following:  If somebody has hash rate and is willing to lease it to you, why would they charge you less than what it could mine for themselves?

Outside of the pool you point it at being lucky during your rental period, you will always lose money renting hash power.  Otherwise nobody would ever let you rent the hash power at that price in the first place.

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15-30 June 2014:   p2pool - BTC0.9081 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.6732 VS Eligius BTC0.5135

Total from 1 Feb 2014: p2pool - BTC14.3174 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC13.7972 VS Eligius BTC13.3641

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but with the rental I have aimed there it seemed though I got a lot more consistant little payments but in the calculation over the 24hrs it still lost BTC compared to the cost of rental.

Am I missing something here? - What is the point of renting a rig if it is only going to cost you BTC in the long run?

Common sense dictates the following:  If somebody has hash rate and is willing to lease it to you, why would they charge you less than what it could mine for themselves?

Outside of the pool you point it at being lucky during your rental period, you will always lose money renting hash power.  Otherwise nobody would ever let you rent the hash power at that price in the first place.

Aha!  This is true only for the type of leasing that cex does (no contract).

If you leased based off of, say, an annual contract, then you should expect to pay less than what this mining hardware you're leasing will eventually put out in a year.  Why?  Other guy is basically getting insurance for that year +.  Two huge benefits off the top of my head; protects them against bitcoin price drop, allows them to reinvest straight away -- in better hardware, in bitcoins (smart move if they believe the price will continue going up... assuredly beating whatever meager profits you'd realize after a year).... or maybe they'd just take it to Morgan Stanley.

... that being said, all the yearly + contracts I've seen on this board are insanely overpriced + they require you to take that leap and have a large amount of trust in some "company" that nobody has ever heard of before.
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Thank you for running and sharing this benchmark semaster.

Are you including the donations made to p2pool miners in your numbers, or only generation transactions?

Again, thanks, really great to see this!
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Thank you for running and sharing this benchmark semaster.

Are you including the donations made to p2pool miners in your numbers, or only generation transactions?

Again, thanks, really great to see this!
donation amount is to the developer and you can modify that setting.    p2pool does give an extra... .5%? or something like that to the block solver, but over time that'd average out...
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Thank you for running and sharing this benchmark semaster.

Are you including the donations made to p2pool miners in your numbers, or only generation transactions?

Again, thanks, really great to see this!
donation amount is to the developer and you can modify that setting.    p2pool does give an extra... .5%? or something like that to the block solver, but over time that'd average out...

No I think windpath is referring to the direct to miners donation functionality of p2pool.  See here for a good UI on top of it: http://blisterpool.com/p2pdonate

We've received quite a few generous donations since hunter made that page and publicized it on Reddit and on the forums here.  The function was always available in p2pool but was rarely used until hunter made the web frontend for it and it got some publicity during one of the 51% panics for GHash on Reddit.  It's tapered down a bit since, but I still get a cut of the donations once in awhile.

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Thank you for running and sharing this benchmark semaster.

Are you including the donations made to p2pool miners in your numbers, or only generation transactions?

Again, thanks, really great to see this!
donation amount is to the developer and you can modify that setting.    p2pool does give an extra... .5%? or something like that to the block solver, but over time that'd average out...

That is not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about people using /patron_sendmany to donate to miners, while I have never had what I would call a "substantial" donation, I have had MANY small ones....

Edit: Blisterpool, mentioned above, is a web front end to /patron_sendmany, the only public one I know of, great tool!

To get an idea of what kind of BTC I'm talking about take a look at the following address, it is mine, and has been on my p2pool node since I started it (5/2/14). The only payments received by this address have been mined coins from p2pool, and donations sent to p2pool miners.

http://minefast.coincadence.com/miner.php?id=19vXrwKGUhK4cCU8tA4kWZgbChcmh9a6qj

Mined coins paid out from p2pool: 2.82620178
p2pool Blocks paid in: 77

https://blockchain.info/address/19vXrwKGUhK4cCU8tA4kWZgbChcmh9a6qj

Total received: 2.8343565
Transactions: 149

So...

Number of donations where I reached the minimum payout since 5/2/14 = 72
Total extra BTC received: 0.00815472, a little over $5 right now...

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I like to try the Elizium p2pool Server with my S3.

Are those Settings correct??:

stratum+tcp://elizium.name:9332
"MyAddress"
Pass: 12345

OR do I use: stratum+tcp://stratum.elizium.name:9332

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I like to try the Elizium p2pool Server with my S3.

Are those Settings correct??:

stratum+tcp://elizium.name:9332
"MyAddress"
Pass: 12345

OR do I use: stratum+tcp://stratum.elizium.name:9332

Thanks

Did you figure it out? I want to use a p2pool when mine arrives.
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I use stratum+tcp://stratum.mining.eligius.st:3334 and it seems to work.
Get some states on the pool site so it must work
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I use stratum+tcp://stratum.mining.eligius.st:3334 and it seems to work.
Get some states on the pool site so it must work
That's not elizium, that's Eligius - a completely different pool.  Elizium is just one of countless p2pool nodes available.  Eligius is a pool run by wizkid.

If you're going to mine on p2pool, make sure you find a node that's close to you.  Ideally you'd like to run your own node; however, that isn't always a possibility, so mining on a public node that is close to you is the next best thing.

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You're right! That's the wrong one. Checked on my S3. Eligius is my 2nd pool for Failover.

Here's what I have: stratum+tcp://elizium.name:9332
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You're right! That's the wrong one. Checked on my S3. Eligius is my 2nd pool for Failover.

Here's what I have: stratum+tcp://elizium.name:9332
Yup, that's the one that will connect you to the Elizium p2pool node.

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Question:
1: What does the number mean: "-Mean: 3.99mBTC" ? Hashing with ~440Gh/s right now.
2: Are the 3.99mBTC "good"?
3: And how do I see if and how much I was getting payed ?

Would be nice to get more Information on the userstat page though!
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Question:
1: What does the number mean: "-Mean: 3.99mBTC" ? Hashing with ~440Gh/s right now.
2: Are the 3.99mBTC "good"?
3: And how do I see if and how much I was getting payed ?

Would be nice to get more Information on the userstat page though!
1) It's the statistical mean of your expected payout over the plotted range of the graph
2) Depends on what you mean by "good".
3) Use a different UI

Use a different UI - there are plenty of them out there, and they usually all will provide you more information than the stock one does.

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OK. Thanks for all the info!
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Question:
1: What does the number mean: "-Mean: 3.99mBTC" ? Hashing with ~440Gh/s right now.
2: Are the 3.99mBTC "good"?
3: And how do I see if and how much I was getting payed ?

Would be nice to get more Information on the userstat page though!


I found this site very handy for the payment side when I use to use p2pools  http://p2pool.info/   on that site it will list all block finds tells ya the strike rate etc.     the network hash rate rd time etc....     Now there is few tabs on there just under the where the pool hash rate is labelled  recent block,,,,   current payouts and active users  


If you click the tab called current payouts it will list all the payout address that have a share or shares in the current block what ya do on there is look for your address and that will show ya expected payout if the block was hit now......     Now a tip on that page when ya find ya payout address you will notice there a star next to it click on the star and it will change from white to yellow and also highlight the address by highlighting the background around the address....    By doing this it make it very easy to find ya address every time ya go to that page as it remembers the setting of the mark star so all  ya have to do when looking at that page after the 1st visit and marking that star is look for the highlighted address ya marked rather than go through all the address again to find yours
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August 11, 2014, 02:07:57 PM
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Also just a tip on that page listed above or warning lol    it play a stupid sound at times to turn that off look at the top right of the page there a settings tab there and that alllows ya to turn that sound off
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Very nice! Just tryed it out and saved it in my bookmark :-)

Can you tell me please ho to Setup this pool?: http://254-76.198-178.cust.bluewin.ch:9332/static/
Is that a privat one? If I add this address and my BTC address, I get allot Disc. and just a few Acc.

There is no Setup info on that page ...
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Very nice! Just tryed it out and saved it in my bookmark :-)

Can you tell me please ho to Setup this pool?: http://254-76.198-178.cust.bluewin.ch:9332/static/
Is that a privat one? If I add this address and my BTC address, I get allot Disc. and just a few Acc.

There is no Setup info on that page ...

right you are on an ant aminer right if so do this

in pool put this 254-76.198-178.cust.bluewin.ch:9332    (sry drop the static part as it does not need to be there)

user :    your BTC address
password :   anything   (as it does not use it)   but I found some miners need something there or they do not connect if left blank
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August 11, 2014, 03:10:20 PM
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OK. I gonna try that.
I was trying on my X-1 when I got all the disc. But will try on my S3.

Thanks!
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Thanks for the updates, for sure will help to choose better a mining pool in future.

Anyone with news from recent pools that have different methods into distribution of coins that worth giving a look ??
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That was some month for p2pool  Grin

For reference - despite what the poster above says, p2pool.info has not worked properly since forrestv took ownership of it some time ago, the stats are inaccurate, it does not show all blocks found & the user count is wrong - even when it's working. Currently the only accurate stats page is:

http://minefast.coincadence.com/p2pool-stats.php

Kudos to coincadence for the hard work in putting it together & providing the community with a working page.  Wink

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15-31 Aug 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.2996VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.3578 VS Eligius BTC0.3613


Total from 1 Feb 2014: p2pool - BTC16.363 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC15.2718 VS Eligius BTC14.8946

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15-31 Aug 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.2996VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.3578 VS Eligius BTC0.3613


Total from 1 Feb 2014: p2pool - BTC16.363 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC15.2718 VS Eligius BTC14.8946

any way you can add slush pool ?

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any way you can add slush pool ?
not now. maybe later starting from 2015

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I just forget to update this thread ...
So here is results for September - October.

1-14 Sept 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.0878VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.2675VS Eligius BTC0.2782
15-31 Sept 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.1344VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.1743VS Eligius BTC0.2068
1-14 Oct 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.1764VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.1890VS Eligius BTC0.2478
15-30 Oct 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.2102VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.1907VS Eligius BTC0.1767

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I just forget to update this thread ...
So here is results for September - October.

1-14 Sept 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.0878VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.2675VS Eligius BTC0.2782
15-31 Sept 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.1344VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.1743VS Eligius BTC0.2068
1-14 Oct 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.1764VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.1890VS Eligius BTC0.2478
15-30 Oct 2014:     p2pool - BTC0.2102VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC0.1907VS Eligius BTC0.1767

p2p = 0.6088
guild = 0.8215
eli = 0.9095

tells us that eligius had better luck during that period of time.

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p2p = 0.6088 guild = 0.8215 eli = 0.9095
tells us that eligius had better luck during that period of time.

that's true. but
Total from 1 Feb 2014: p2pool - BTC16.9718 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC16.0933 VS Eligius BTC15.8041

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November 27, 2014, 09:21:24 PM
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may i vote to add ban too ?
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p2p = 0.6088 guild = 0.8215 eli = 0.9095
tells us that eligius had better luck during that period of time.

that's true. but
Total from 1 Feb 2014: p2pool - BTC16.9718 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC16.0933 VS Eligius BTC15.8041

excellent work collating the numbers. well done.

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December 09, 2014, 09:14:34 AM
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Props to OP. Cheesy Thanks for these stats. Wish we had ghash and slush figures in as well Cheesy

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So, what's the conclusion, on what pool should we mine Smiley
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December 15, 2014, 03:04:00 PM
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So, what's the conclusion, on what pool should we mine Smiley

Looks like P2Pool has the largest payout.  Try nodes.p2pool.co to find the best one to connect to in your area.

Find the pool with the best payout!
nodes.p2pool.co
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So, what's the conclusion, on what pool should we mine Smiley

Looks like P2Pool has the largest payout.  Try nodes.p2pool.co to find the best one to connect to in your area.

Very interesting....
p2pool 31.130.253.14:9332 has a smallest latency in the world
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So, what's the conclusion, on what pool should we mine Smiley

Looks like P2Pool has the largest payout.  Try nodes.p2pool.co to find the best one to connect to in your area.

Very interesting....
p2pool 31.130.253.14:9332 has a smallest latency in the world


Try http://poolnode.info/
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