Another initiative for newbie and junior members.

[Jet Cash]

This idea came out of a post in another thread here, and I would like to put it to members as a formal suggestion.

Fit to Talk has a board where foreign language members can submit a post about Bitcoin or crypto, and we suggest improvements to the language structure. I think that these edited posts by new members may be of interest to other newbies on the beginners board. I would like to run a thread on that board where the member can post the edited text. The thread would be self-moderated by me, and only posts that have been approved by FtT mods would be allowed. The FtT mods are senior members here, and are active supporters of Bitcoin Talk. Only posts by newbies and juniors would be allowed.

Here is a sample post by a junior member here who has not received any merit. I believe that these posts, although they are basic, help the newer members to understand the world of crypto.
https://fittotalk.com/english-talk/index.php?topic=14.0

Do you think that a thread such as this would be of benefit to the beginners board?

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[angel55]

The harsh truth is the majority of users on this forum will never rank up.  I've seen some really great posters that still have yet to receive any merit.  Many high levels basically have the attitude " fuck you I got mine" , then a lot of high rankers just trade merit back and forth.

[actmyname]

Feels like it would be a mostly-wasted effort since a lot of spammers and individuals with low English coherence will completely disregard the thread and jump straight into bounties/campaigns.

However, that tiny 0.001% of users will benefit from it and I don't see the harm in doing so. Just don't expect any significant results on a macro scale.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Feels like it would be a mostly-wasted effort since a lot of spammers and individuals with low English coherence will completely disregard the thread and jump straight into bounties/campaigns.

However, that tiny 0.001% of users will benefit from it and I don't see the harm in doing so. Just don't expect any significant results on a macro scale.

I would agree with this, but I don't think Jet Cash is aiming to fix the forum here. This would benefit the small number of newbies that are genuinely trying to learn about crypto, contribute to the forum and better their English skills.

Presumably the thread would be in the Beginners' board?

[pugman]

The harsh truth is the majority of users on this forum will never rank up.  I've seen some really great posters that still have yet to receive any merit.  Many high levels basically have the attitude " fuck you I got mine" , then a lot of high rankers just trade merit back and forth.

Says a marinecoin shill.Like actmyname said,it won't work out that well,but you can try helping those who want help. Although,,bill tried to review posters without any incentive,he didn't get much attention due to lack of any incentive  . Have a look: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3771870.msg37146114#msg37146114

[o_e_l_e_o]

And your a chipmixer shill, whats your point.

Having a signature is not the same as being an endless shitposter. The fact that you don't understand the difference only proves the point further.

[eddie13]

I made a post here explaining a bit about how to better formulate English sentences to a noob that looked like he was trying..

Actually I think the thread was in beginners and help when I started making my reply, which I thought was good, but by time I finished my reply I think it was moved to meta, which kinda made the thread inappropriate, and bashing ensued..  

Jetcash - I saw your forum posted in another thread and had a look..
Does a person really have to PM you to sign up?

[Jet Cash]

Jetcash - I saw your forum posted in another thread and had a look..
Does a person really have to PM you to sign up?

I noticed that I had left that in the news bit earlier today. I must change it. You can register in the normal way, but you have to use your Bitcoin Talk name - this is to make it easy for mods here to check for plagiarism if there is any cross posting. I approve the application, and you have to confirm it by email link.

With regard to the beginners thread. I am concerned about the bounty spammers, and that is why I wanted to make it self-moderating. If a mod will help me, a better idea would be for me to close the thread, and the mod could move an approved post into the thread by request. The request would come from one of the three of us who are modding FtT. I could make a delete and post to bump the thread every couple of days while the community thought it was worth keeping alive.

[pugman]

And your a chipmixer shill, whats your point.

Chipmixer "shills" don't break rules like you and say bullshit like you marinecoin shills do. Chipmixer "shills" at least try to make this forum a better place unlike you marinecoin shills who just shitpost everywhere for a few pennies.

My point is that majority of the shitposters won't rank up because they don't know what to post or say other than just combining random words to make a sentence. Shitposters like you'll never rank up if you remain being shills and keep posting unwanted noise.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The harsh truth is the majority of users on this forum will never rank up.  I've seen some really great posters that still have yet to receive any merit.  Many high levels basically have the attitude " fuck you I got mine" , then a lot of high rankers just trade merit back and forth.

I ask this sincerely:  Can you list some of these members who should be earning merit but haven't?  I'll be happy to take a look at their profiles and perhaps give them a merit or two if I get any to give.

And yeah, members of a higher rank don't care as much about merit, but that's pretty much by design, no?  It wouldn't bother me at all if I never earned any merits, but people keep giving them to me and I am doing my best to pay them forward.  It's damn hard to find low-ranked members making really good posts.  There probably should be an "under-merited members" thread--if there is one, I have yet to see it.

[Jet Cash]

There probably should be an "under-merited members" thread--if there is one, I have yet to see it.

There are several threads for un-merited posts, but, as you said, I don't remember seeing one for the members making them. It would be quite difficult to use though, especially where the member is a non-native English speaker. I don't want to help the spamming bounty hunters - I just hope that they will go away. I would like to encourage the New and Junior members who have come to this forum to learn about Bitcoin and crypto.

I'd like to start the initiative that is being discussed in this thread, and this is to help foreign language speakers to become part of the international English speaking community here. In addition, I believe that such a thread might improve the perceived quality of the beginner's board

[Jet Cash]

This thread should be in a beginners board.

I agree that the suggested thread should be on the beginners board, but why do you believe that a discuaaion about it should be there. We are discussing cross-site issues, the promotion of posts and members in the local language boards, issues of potential plagiarism as a result of post translation, and a suggested minor change in the philosopy of some merit awarders. There is also a possible need for the involvment of a mod to keep the thread clean from new members like you, who appear to give their priorities to air drops and bounties.

May I suggest that if you can't make meaningful contributions, you stay out of the big boy threads. btw, I put you on ignore.

[TheUltraElite]

The harsh truth is the majority of users on this forum will never rank up. 

They are ranking up. You are just a misinformed person who has not been visiting the forum to search for topics to read because you are busy hunting for merits.[1]

I've seen some really great posters that still have yet to receive any merit. 

Can you give us some examples? I would like to know who these people are and why you are even endorsing them get merited. (Quick Guess: Farmed accounts?)

Many high levels basically have the attitude " fuck you I got mine" , then a lot of high rankers just trade merit back and forth.

Keep up with this type of attitude for yourself and you are sure to go into ignore lists. You are hitting the axe on your own foot. As fro merit traders I am repeating what I have said the nth time - report them and they will get negged.

[1] Merits are not animals which you can hunt by the way.

[manfredmann]

I have seen and read so many threads here suggesting on the improvement of the forum system yet other members are trolls who were usually got ideas on negativeness on their sides. Well we could not improve if all the trolls here would comment down and will let the sender feels down on the very moment of his courage to improve the forum system. So sad that trolls had a lot time time on finding some errors on the likes of this post which is aiming to develop oneself.

[Jet Cash]

However, that tiny 0.001% of users will benefit from it and I don't see the harm in doing so. Just don't expect any significant results on a macro scale.

I'm reminded of the parable of the starfish thrower - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star_Thrower

The modern adaptation tells of the old man seen throwing beached starfish back into the ocean. On being told that he would not make any difference to the world because there are so many beached starfish, after throwing another starfish into the ocean, he replied " It has made a difference to him ".

If I can help a beginner starfish into the Bitcoin ocean, then the thread will have served its purpose.

[seoincorporation]

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Is the Fit to talk user here in the forum? For he absolutely can post it on the Begginers&help board, it is very informative.
I think he should be the one posting it as well as the link to his blog, from the post is coming. Also, all the Fit To Talk users might tell the whole history of the thread, I mean, if they come from some sort of corrections in Fit to Talk, I believe they should talk about it.

For instance, the user makes the thread starting with:
"This post has been corrected by the Fit To talk project users in order to make it more comprehensible and well-written. If you want to join the project (the link)"
And, after that, he can copy his/her own post.

I don't think it can be seen as scamming, for the Fit To Talk project has no money involved, but the will of helping others to improve their skills and to use them in here, so we can put a small seed in here, perhaps, and those truly interested in creating some good stuff will know where to go to learn more about the English grammar and so.

[Jet Cash]

That's probably a good idea to avoid the plagiarism accusations. I think it would be cumbersome to includeit in every post though. The initial post should cover it. I wanted to allow the concept originator to make the post, and that way other members could award merit or not as they see fit. It would give new and junior members a chance to get a bit of exposure on the international boards.

btw I've added the Colosseum to the Spanish Main section. This is for posts in Latin and Italian. I've included Latin as the ASIC mining manufacturers' influence is known as 'The Roman Emperor problem'. Also, the original 'bit coins' may have been the coins with teeth marks from Roman users checking that they had been manufactured from soft precious metals.

[speem28]

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Is the Fit to talk user here in the forum?

Yes, as mentioned by @Jet Cash

but you have to use your Bitcoin Talk name - this is to make it easy for mods here to check for plagiarism if there is any cross posting. I approve the application, and you have to confirm it by email link.

This is upon registering in FtT.

For instance, the user makes the thread starting with:
"This post has been corrected by the Fit To talk project users in order to make it more comprehensible and well-written. If you want to join the project (the link)"
And, after that, he can copy his/her own post.

I don't think it can be seen as scamming, for the Fit To Talk project has no money involved, but the will of helping others to improve their skills and to use them in here, so we can put a small seed in here, perhaps, and those truly interested in creating some good stuff will know where to go to learn more about the English grammar and so.

A good idea and if that post that is corrected by FtT got a few merits, and other low ranking members will see the link to that site, it will pique their interest and will probably sign up in that forum as well.

[Wheelige]

The harsh truth is the majority of users on this forum will never rank up.  

They are ranking up. You are just a misinformed person who has not been visiting the forum to search for topics to read because you are busy hunting for merits.[1]

I've seen some really great posters that still have yet to receive any merit.  

Can you give us some examples? I would like to know who these people are and why you are even endorsing them get merited. (Quick Guess: Farmed accounts?)

Many high levels basically have the attitude " fuck you I got mine" , then a lot of high rankers just trade merit back and forth.

Keep up with this type of attitude for yourself and you are sure to go into ignore lists. You are hitting the axe on your own foot. As fro merit traders I am repeating what I have said the nth time - report them and they will get negged.

[1] Merits are not animals which you can hunt by the way.

Come on man, this is pretty harsh.
There are members ranking up, sure, but look at how many members have made it from newbie to full member since the introduction of merit. There's a thread about 0-100 merit-ers and the list is like 5 (maybe 10 i cant remember) [I'm very far off my 100 mark and post reasonably regularly]. A hell of a lot more people than 10 have signed up since the introduction of merit so Jets statement strikes me as entirely valid. (also look at this dudes other threads, a claim they are merit hunting is pretty misleading, more like on a (possibly extreme) rampage to remove shitposters).

There was no endorsement for any person, so how would you know who to merit (if the purpose was to get farm accounts merited)?

Agree with final part, dont discriminate based on rank.

As for OP idea, I think its novel and would help but as most have said its drop in the pond help. That said if everyone comes up with a drop in the pond solution that would solve the issue wouldnt it.
 

[TheUltraElite]

Come on man, this is pretty harsh.

Life is harsh. Learn to accept it and adapt diplomatically.

There are members ranking up, sure, but look at how many members have made it from newbie to full member since the introduction of merit.

Rank does not stop people from posting and engaging in conversations. Except the newbie jail - which can be removed by paying for copper membership you dont have posting restrictions which are going to hurt - except the shitposter and shillbumpers.

There's a thread about 0-100 merit-ers and the list is like 5 (maybe 10 i cant remember) [I'm very far off my 100 mark and post reasonably regularly].

Posting regularly has nothing to do with being merited. If people dont find your posts "Informative" or of quality then there is nothing you can do about it.

A hell of a lot more people than 10 have signed up since the introduction of merit so Jets statement strikes me as entirely valid. (also look at this dudes other threads, a claim they are merit hunting is pretty misleading, more like on a (possibly extreme) rampage to remove shitposters).

I am sure 90% of them are the account farmers who got tagged and are now starting anew. As far as JC's statements are concerned, I never spoke against them.

There was no endorsement for any person, so how would you know who to merit (if the purpose was to get farm accounts merited)?

Why are you even interested?