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May 23, 2018, 09:04:40 PM
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Bitcoin Discussion usually gathers approximately 7-9 additional pages daily. Most of the new topics are the copy of the spam megathreads or some BS from newbies.
There should be a bounty or something because today I've found 3-4 copies of this post, each of them was in a separate topic...




I know that everybody have the right to express himself/herself and to open a new topic, and also everybody have the right to report these topics to the moderators but we could save a lot of work for everyone if we could somehow manage not to let every newbie post BS everywhere...
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May 23, 2018, 09:19:30 PM
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I think we already lost it. Now it's just a festival of redundant posts and opinions that have been said in the thread 50 times.

"Will bitcoin replace fiat?"
Answer: "I think this is possible only in the distant future"
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That's why none of my last 500 posts (or more) have been made in the Bitcoin Discussions board. It's simple impossible to have any kind of real discussion in there.

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May 23, 2018, 09:24:31 PM
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I think we already lost it. Now it's just a festival of redundant posts and opinions that have been said in th thread 50 times.

That's why none of my last 500 posts have been made in the Bitcoin Discussions board. It's simple impossible to have any kind of real discussion in there.

There are some cases of a good thread discussions but they last for a few hours before the 17th page has already started. That's why LoyceV suggested that captcha should be introduced (for deleting posts) and I'll say captcha for deleting and making new posts, at least for new members.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3955810.0

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May 23, 2018, 09:40:41 PM
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I tried to make a thread in Bitcoin discussion a while back and had no responses. I eventually admitted defeat and posted it to serious discussion and it took off!

We will either have to accept that the spammers have taken over Bitcoin discussion and other boards or do something about it. More mods probably wouldn't hurt if the current staff are struggling. I'm currently avoiding the Bitcoin discussion board and it's one of the reasons why a lot of my posts are in serious discussion.
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May 23, 2018, 09:48:22 PM
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I think we already lost it.
I was afraid of a kind of answer like this one...


There are some cases of a good thread discussions but they last for a few hours before the 17th page has already started. That's why LoyceV suggested that captcha should be introduced (for deleting posts) and I'll say captcha for deleting and making new posts, at least for new members.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3955810.0

I would support any kind of idea that slows down spammers and newbies opening meaningless topics and posting BS everywhere.

I still fight in the Bitcoin Discussion thread because every day you can find at least 5 interesting topics among the 300 others Smiley The future of that thread should be bright, because this can't be worse, I think Smiley
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May 23, 2018, 10:28:17 PM
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Good work mate. Seems like the mod took care of them already.

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May 24, 2018, 04:09:55 AM
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Bitcoin Discussion usually gathers approximately 7-9 additional pages daily. Most of the new topics are the copy of the spam megathreads or some BS from newbies.

I know that everybody have the right to express himself/herself and to open a new topic

7-9 additional pages daily is insane.

The Mods seem to be scrubbing the shit threads a lot more frequently then they have in previous years, which is a great thing! The other thing we can do is report threads that we see as frivilous or duplicative.

The Bitcoin board also gets a lot of mis-placed threads - announcements, spam, questions, etc...things that correctly belong in other places.
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May 24, 2018, 04:44:35 AM
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I am really avoiding the Bitcoin Discussion board as much as I can since almost all of the topics there are just repetitions of old topics and most of them are getting deleted. Newbies can continue posting to the same threads they are making and they will continue to have a reduced post count whereas we (member who can distinguish a good topic from the bad ones) can choose a decent topic in that board and continue the flow of conversation there.

I really hope that there is something we could do to prevent newbies from creating such threads and to save the essence of that board.
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May 24, 2018, 11:10:08 AM
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I put it on the list of hidden topics, nothing useful there. Even Altcoin discussion is better, at least you might learn about new promising altcoin or ICO. "Make 20 constructive posts with 100 characters a week" in action.

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I still fight in the Bitcoin Discussion thread because every day you can find at least 5 interesting topics among the 300 others Smiley The future of that thread should be bright, because this can't be worse, I think Smiley
Me too, I still reply threads coming from Bitcoin Discussion and I don't know exactly why, maybe that matters for me is to help others by answering their queries or giving some advice. But I'll make sure first that a certain post has a unique entity somehow like OP's opinion or personal experience and not like "What is bitcoin" kind of posts as well as threads with 300+ replies. Besides, I still see some interesting posts there like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4139909.0 (honestly, I'm not aware that it was yesterday Grin) so for me that board is not yet a trash.

I think to make everything better, mods should be more active on deleting shittyposts but I'm sure they do ad always.
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May 24, 2018, 12:15:39 PM
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Yes, there are a lot of shit threads created in that section. I have created thread about that task and thought we need additional moderator but got reply from hilariousandco. To be fair reporting of threads works pretty well and hilariousandco immediately responses on it.

But I think the reason behind those threads is following: Usually newbie users create/dublicate meaningless threads in order to spam and let others to post as much as possible and that's for the sake of signature I guess. When they post in one thread, then another silly and meaningless thread comes with title: How to talk about bitcoin to my mother-in-law's uncle's grandparents and etc, very boring  Undecided

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May 24, 2018, 12:21:13 PM
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Bitcoin Discussion and Altcoin Discussion and not to mention Economics have all become full of redundant threads where shitposters from every nook and corner of the world come to shitpost. Merit is not the solution to this. Merit is supposed to prevent shitposters from ranking up while the spam is still continuing. The mods are having their hands full - what else can be done?

Removal of the section would mean the biggest bitcoin forum in the world is having their section dedicated to discussion regarding bitcoin removed. It needs to be controlled and I have not idea how theymos would do it.

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May 24, 2018, 08:38:56 PM
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Today I took a deep breath and started to check today's new topics on the Bitcoin Discussion thread.
Today our hard working little newbie ants has created 10 pages of new topics (roughly) and I took my time to check those topics which had less then 10 posts... it took an hour or more (even more...).

The result is 127 reports but the reason I'm amazed/frightened is:
90% of the posts was done by a newbie with 1-2 activity points or a brand new user....

The naming concept of the newbie was like this: Firstname+numbers, like Annie456 and so on... and they were different users, of course....

Most of the topic opener posts were about bitcoin price speculation, in max. 2-3 lines...

I still have a few (OK a lot) tabs open in my browser, for the post that were longer than 2-3 lines because I'll do a copypaste check on them, but it's possible that it will be the job of tomorrow Smiley

I hope the mods won't get headache from the amount of report I've generated for them Smiley
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Today I took a deep breath and started to check today's new topics on the Bitcoin Discussion thread.
Today our hard working little newbie ants has created 10 pages of new topics (roughly) and I took my time to check those topics which had less then 10 posts... it took an hour or more (even more...).

The result is 127 reports but the reason I'm amazed/frightened is:
90% of the posts was done by a newbie with 1-2 activity points or a brand new user....

The naming concept of the newbie was like this: Firstname+numbers, like Annie456 and so on... and they were different users, of course....

Most of the topic opener posts were about bitcoin price speculation, in max. 2-3 lines...

I still have a few (OK a lot) tabs open in my browser, for the post that were longer than 2-3 lines because I'll do a copypaste check on them, but it's possible that it will be the job of tomorrow Smiley

I hope the mods won't get headache from the amount of report I've generated for them Smiley

Most are plagiarism. What they benefit from doing this I don't exactly know, but I've found several threads made by these 1 post newbies which are either completely copy, and pasting or are only using a snippet of the text from another source. They seem to be getting a lot of it from news websites, but are also copying from much earlier posts on this forum too.

Seems like the person behind the bot likes to add a few emotes in it too. They seem to be targeting older posts that were made by substantial users, although they have just copied posts from earlier today too. They also like adding punctuation marks such as "!!!".

Please can everyone report these

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May 24, 2018, 09:22:22 PM
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What they benefit from doing this I don't exactly know, but I've found several threads made by these 1 post newbies which are either completely copy, and pasting or are only using a snippet of the text from another source. They seem to be getting a lot of it from news websites, but are also copying from much earlier posts on this forum too.
One possible guess would be a random dude having a myriad of accounts,and he sacrifices a few of those by plagiarizing topics,and using his other accounts to spam their way through. All this for bounties maybe. Cases like this have been true before,people managed to get hell a lot of rich.
Instead of totally abandoning Bitcoin Discussion, maybe just keep having discussions with those who want to. Create your own self moderated thread,and discuss stuff. We all came here to discuss about bitcoin and we are doing everything else other than that.

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If these are individual newbies who don't know whats what yet, I think something like a "search FAQ" bar that opens as you type your topic to recommend threads that ask the same question it might help reduce this. By this I mean something similar to binance when you open a ticket and it recommends similar things in the FAQ as you type your question.

I myself have posted a few bitcoin technical questions which I was sure that someone else has had to ask it in the past, unfortunately finding similar posts is a bit hard in some cases with the massive loads of topics being created, the problem kind of makes itself worse and snowballs on itself. Improving on the search functionality to make it "nicer" would definitely help.  I am not sure as to what kind of load this'l add on the servers and how much of a workload it would be on the forums developers though.

On the other note, it is kind of a pity that people are repeat answering a question with the same answer just to get posts for their bounties. (Yes I know I have a sig in my profile, I get it the hypocrisy - I really try add new value to a discussion each time I post). I find that unless it is a very interesting topic and discussion people just read the first post and answers and moves on. I think somehow the idea of adding value to a discussion with a post needs to be reiterated. There is zero value in giving the same answer as everyone else.

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One possible guess would be a random dude having a myriad of accounts,and he sacrifices a few of those by plagiarizing topics,and using his other accounts to spam their way through. All this for bounties maybe. Cases like this have been true before,people managed to get hell a lot of rich.
Instead of totally abandoning Bitcoin Discussion, maybe just keep having discussions with those who want to. Create your own self moderated thread,and discuss stuff. We all came here to discuss about bitcoin and we are doing everything else other than that.
Maybe, I'm not sure. Most of the ones which I've reported have just been newbies posting plagiarized content. Doesn't seem they engage after that. Possibly, someone trying out their bot that they will eventually use for bounties. Some of the sources they are using are actually pretty difficult to find.


If these are individual newbies who don't know whats what yet, I think something like a "search FAQ" bar that opens as you type your topic to recommend threads that ask the same question it might help reduce this. By this I mean something similar to binance when you open a ticket and it recommends similar things in the FAQ as you type your question.

I myself have posted a few bitcoin technical questions which I was sure that someone else has had to ask it in the past, unfortunately finding similar posts is a bit hard in some cases with the massive loads of topics being created, the problem kind of makes itself worse and snowballs on itself. Improving on the search functionality to make it "nicer" would definitely help.  I am not sure as to what kind of load this'l add on the servers and how much of a workload it would be on the forums developers though.

On the other note, it is kind of a pity that people are repeat answering a question with the same answer just to get posts for their bounties. (Yes I know I have a sig in my profile, I get it the hypocrisy - I really try add new value to a discussion each time I post). I find that unless it is a very interesting topic and discussion people just read the first post and answers and moves on. I think somehow the idea of adding value to a discussion with a post needs to be reiterated. There is zero value in giving the same answer as everyone else.

This isn't the case. It's not the fact they are asking questions which have been asked before they are literally copy, and pasting questions, discussions and replies from various different sources including the forum. There's been a few Satoshi/Sirius posts that have been copied.

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Maybe, I'm not sure. Most of the ones which I've reported have just been newbies posting plagiarized content. Doesn't seem they engage after that. Possibly, someone trying out their bot that they will eventually use for bounties. Some of the sources they are using are actually pretty difficult to find.
Which is why I started using a plagiarism checker: https://edubirdie.com/plagiarism-checker
Someone had recommended it in another thread in meta and it has been helpful ever since.

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May 24, 2018, 10:00:23 PM
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Altcoin discussion is much much worse, you can check on page 20 and you'll still see posts from today.
Most of it is stuff that should just be removed, massive spam threads asking the same questions over and over.

Bitcoin Discussion still has some decent conversation, while it's completely impossible to follow anything in Altcoin Discussion.

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Altcoin discussion is much much worse, you can check on page 20 and you'll still see posts from today.
Most of it is stuff that should just be removed, massive spam threads asking the same questions over and over.

Bitcoin Discussion still has some decent conversation, while it's completely impossible to follow anything in Altcoin Discussion.

Yeah, although Altcoin Discussion hasn't been subject to the newbie bot invasion as far as I can see. I would agree with you that in general that place is a mess though. Can't really blame the moderation team on that one as mprep is the only dedicated mod, and has to deal with thousands of posts per day in that section alone never mind it's child boards.

Which is why I started using a plagiarism checker: https://edubirdie.com/plagiarism-checker
Someone had recommended it in another thread in meta and it has been helpful ever since.
Yeah, I use plagiarism checkers if my initial search didn't come up with anything.

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