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September 12, 2011, 02:18:16 PM
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The quote is grounded in context, and religious context especially plays a large role here.  Keep in mind that the interdependence of all people/events is emphasized far more in the east than in the west.  Karma is also emphasized (karma does not simply mean 'what goes around comes around' but is more directly related to cause-and-effect).  According to this belief, when a person get's angry, they lose because anger is suffering (how can a person be angry/vengeful if they are happy?)  In fact, ANY desire (the desire to attack, the desire to retaliate, etc.) is considered suffering because desire implies a lack of content in the present moment;  if you want something other than what 'is,' are you not dissatisfied?

If you have no emotions or desires then you go around full of apathy.

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September 12, 2011, 06:15:14 PM
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If you have no emotions or desires then you go around full of apathy.
So if that is bad thing for you, why exactly is it a bad thing for someone else?
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September 12, 2011, 09:49:57 PM
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They are comparing Bitcoin to non-violent protest, Ghandi is describing how people react to non-violent protest.
Bitcoiners think Bitcoin is non-violent protest of federal currency.

So? You need to show that the quote is relevant in this situation for it to have any meaning.

No offence, but I have no idea what you are talking about. What situation? Your original post was about the quote angering you; you didn't even mention a situation.
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September 12, 2011, 10:10:48 PM
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No offence, but I have no idea what you are talking about. What situation? Your original post was about the quote angering you; you didn't even mention a situation.

Any situation. As I mentioned, people usually just write the quote and then imply that they're bound to win because it's possible to place themselves somewhere within the sequence. You need to prove it.

It would be valid to use the quote and then explicitly draw parallels between your situation and Gandhi's situation. But I've never seen anyone do this, and I wouldn't do it because the quote is still a cliché.

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September 12, 2011, 10:25:30 PM
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I guess that is annoying but I thought you were talking about bitcoin. I really have never once heard anyone use that quote so I can't really give any input without a specific situation.
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September 12, 2011, 10:29:59 PM
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I've seen it a few times on this forum, though I posted this topic after reading it used (in the simplest, most stupid form) in a highly-rated comment on Reddit's Libertarian section.

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September 13, 2011, 10:04:17 PM
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The quote is grounded in context, and religious context especially plays a large role here.  Keep in mind that the interdependence of all people/events is emphasized far more in the east than in the west.  Karma is also emphasized (karma does not simply mean 'what goes around comes around' but is more directly related to cause-and-effect).  According to this belief, when a person get's angry, they lose because anger is suffering (how can a person be angry/vengeful if they are happy?)  In fact, ANY desire (the desire to attack, the desire to retaliate, etc.) is considered suffering because desire implies a lack of content in the present moment;  if you want something other than what 'is,' are you not dissatisfied?

If you have no emotions or desires then you go around full of apathy.

Actually, quite the opposite.

Desire = discontent.  You are unsatisfied with the present moment.  This leads to selfishness since you want to fulfill your desires.
No desire = contentment.  You are totally satisfied with the present moment.  This leads to selflessness since you have no desires to fulfill.

Edit:  Also, no desire is not the same as no emotion.

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September 19, 2011, 04:38:52 AM
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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Am I the only one who finds this quote extremely annoying?

First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they get pissed that you cite Gandhi quotes,
then they freak out,
then you win

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September 19, 2011, 05:45:21 AM
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hmm that page doesn't allow editing, even while logged in.

and unfortunately one of the contributors has a misconception that precision = accuracy
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September 19, 2011, 11:48:17 AM
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Any situation. As I mentioned, people usually just write the quote and then imply that they're bound to win because it's possible to place themselves somewhere within the sequence. You need to prove it.
Which is simply impossible. You can never know in advance who is going to win. Let alone prove it.

The Gandhi quote refers to one instance. Just as many ideas in history were simply ignored and never got anywhere. Or popped up again hundreds of years later, far after the first person to come up with the idea died.

Anyway, too many people think their computer screen is a crystal ball, these days... or at least many of the internet "predictions" are simply meant to discourage people from pursuing their ideals or ideas.


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September 19, 2011, 02:41:52 PM
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I'm currently at the 'people laugh at you' stage.
I just need to drink a few more beers and I'm ready for stage 3.
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September 19, 2011, 09:38:15 PM
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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Am I the only one who finds this quote extremely annoying?

First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they get pissed that you cite Gandhi quotes,
then they freak out,
then you win



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then they laugh at you,
then they get pissed that you cite Gandhi quotes,
then they freak out,
then you win
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July 23, 2015, 06:10:28 AM
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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Am I the only one who finds this quote extremely annoying? It gives everyone an excuse to say that they are winning. Even if you sit around doing nothing, you can say that you're on the track to becoming President because everyone is "ignoring you".

Furthermore, it is a simple statement without any proof or real argument. Why is this progression of events likely? Why does having people ignore you, laugh at you, or fight you move you toward winning?

I cringe every time someone just quotes this and says, "Look, we're in stage x! Not long now before we win!". It's a totally pointless thing to say and an excuse to ignore real problems.

I just looked into this as it relates to bitcoin and Gandhi probably never said it

"A close variant of the quotation first appears in a 1918 US trade union address by Nicholas Klein:
And, my friends, in this story you have a history of this entire movement. First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. And then they attack you and want to burn you. And then they build monuments to you. And that, is what is going to happen to the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America."

But still it has been true for bitcoin in the first 3 out of 4 steps which I detail in this post where "they" is the legacy financial system.

The "and then you win" part is not clear cut, to a large extent bitcoin has already won and it does not have to be binary win or lose given bitcoin is succeeding alongside the legacy financial system.

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July 23, 2015, 06:22:23 AM
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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Am I the only one who finds this quote extremely annoying? It gives everyone an excuse to say that they are winning. Even if you sit around doing nothing, you can say that you're on the track to becoming President because everyone is "ignoring you".

Furthermore, it is a simple statement without any proof or real argument. Why is this progression of events likely? Why does having people ignore you, laugh at you, or fight you move you toward winning?

I cringe every time someone just quotes this and says, "Look, we're in stage x! Not long now before we win!". It's a totally pointless thing to say and an excuse to ignore real problems.

I think it means those who win or are successful in life have faced criticism in some part of their life. So when someone laughs at you or fights against you for a cause you believe in, that shouldn't discourage you. Move on.

For me, that is a pretty decent motivational quote. Wink

Edit: Not sure it is Gandhi's quote after reading the above post. I don't think I have noted that particular quote anywhere before. Anyway, I still think it is a good one. Grin

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