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September 17, 2011, 09:29:26 PM
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A lot of countries and politicians are forgetting that we no longer live in a country-by-country world, but in a global world, and everyone has to compete against everyone else in the world, not against the other citizens in heir country.

I strongly disagree with your view of the world (let alone your prejudiced view of France): competition is the root cause of all corruption and ultimately leads to war.

Competition must be replaced by compassion: it is way more effective in the long run and evrybody is a lot happier with it.

It takes a political stance to state it because politicians get elected on promises predicated on "competition".

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September 18, 2011, 03:45:54 PM
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A lot of countries and politicians are forgetting that we no longer live in a country-by-country world, but in a global world, and everyone has to compete against everyone else in the world, not against the other citizens in heir country.

I strongly disagree with your view of the world (let alone your prejudiced view of France): competition is the root cause of all corruption and ultimately leads to war.

Competition must be replaced by compassion: it is way more effective in the long run and evrybody is a lot happier with it.

It takes a political stance to state it because politicians get elected on promises predicated on "competition".

Compassion is good. It may even be better than competition. I'll go out on a limb here though, and say they don't need to replace each other in particular. And if you're suggesting we force people to replace competition with compassion, you are neither competitive or compassionate, but violent and callous.

Suggestions are one thing, lawful enforcement is a whole other bag of worms, probably best left in the bag and consumed sparingly.

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January 06, 2012, 06:22:14 PM
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if you're suggesting we force people to replace competition with compassion, you are neither competitive or compassionate, but violent and callous.
I will not be judgemental, not even conditionnally.
Lawful enforcement of a democratically adopted law (like social security and health care for everyone) is the norm in a democracy. And yes, regarding health care for instance, economic competition is a sure recipe for a social disaster that yields much worse results in the long run than simple compassion.
The dogma of the perfect markets with their invisible hand (competition) applied well for a long time (going back to Adam Smith and Ricardo) to an economy dominated by the production of physical goods.
It does not apply so well in an economy with a balanced mix of goods and services. And believe or not, I am a liberal (at this point you were probably going to call me a communist).
If compassion is too strong a word for a libertarian, he/she may try cooperation first..

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January 08, 2012, 01:55:45 AM
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Thing's aren't any worse in America, than any other industrialized country... We all have debt, we all shit, we all sleep. Anything else is over-dramatization at it's finest... Don't believe everything you read on the Internet... -_-

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January 08, 2012, 05:41:32 AM
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If all the countries paid off all their debts, few countries would actually collapse. The world is doing quite fine
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January 08, 2012, 07:46:22 PM
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If all the countries paid off all their debts, few countries would actually collapse. The world is doing quite fine
Most countries would collapse since every note is owned by somebody else. Most currencies are backed by debt.

China and a few other sovereign countries may survive.

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January 08, 2012, 07:51:30 PM
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Thing's aren't any worse in America, than any other industrialized country... We all have debt, we all shit, we all sleep. Anything else is over-dramatization at it's finest... Don't believe everything you read on the Internet... -_-
Things are the worst in America. We have the world reserve country and it's owned by private shareholders all across the world and it continues to be diluted.

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January 12, 2012, 08:19:46 AM
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No, no.  Everything is fine.  You will see.
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January 16, 2012, 01:03:28 PM
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Do you seriously believe that if you give mega-corporations free reign to do whatever the fuck they want they will somehow magically behave when even now, with the most negligable and tiny of regulations they routinely fuck large numbers of people over on a daily basis?

The problem isn't when individuals or corporations are free to do whatever they want.

The problem is when the government gives them special privileges at the expense of others' rights.

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January 25, 2012, 07:50:34 AM
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Do you seriously believe that if you give mega-corporations free reign to do whatever the fuck they want they will somehow magically behave when even now, with the most negligable and tiny of regulations they routinely fuck large numbers of people over on a daily basis?

The problem isn't when individuals or corporations are free to do whatever they want.

The problem is when the government gives them special privileges at the expense of others' rights.


And who controls what the govt does?
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January 25, 2012, 12:03:25 PM
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The problem isn't when individuals or corporations are free to do whatever they want.

The problem is when the government gives them special privileges at the expense of others' rights.


And who controls what the govt does?

Corporations. Which, of course, wouldn't exist without the government.

Even without corporate charters issued by the government, corporations would still exist. (That is, in the absence of government force to the contrary, investors would still voluntarily band together of their own accord in order to hire employees to manage their collective property, and to split the profits from the revenues derived.)

The only reason that corporations now control the government, is because you do not have fair representation; you do not have proper apportionment.

I will make this clear... (using extreme example)

Hypothetical situation 1:  There is 1 representative for every 1 thousand people.
Hypothetical situation 2:  There is 1 representative for every 1 trillion people.

As you can see, in situation (1), you have fair representation. (Democracy!)
But in situation (2), you do not have fair representation. (Dictator!!!)

(Notice that the only difference between "democracy" and "dictator" is the number of people being represented.)

In situation (1), a person cannot be elected to the House unless he actually lives in your neighborhood, operates a business nearby, attends your church, etc. No amount of TV commercials can change this. No outsider could ever win. Certainly no one would be in office for very long, unless he was available to meet with constituents, who would all actually meet with him and voice their concerns on a regular basis.

In situation (2), on the other hand, a person cannot be elected to the House unless he gets lots and lots of money from big corporations, and spends it on lots and lots of TV commercials. No "real person" could ever win. Certainly no one would be in office for very long, unless he was entirely bought-and-paid-for by large corporations, who would all actually meet with him and voice their concerns on a regular basis.

When the Constitution was written, the House had 1 representative for every 30,000 people.

Today, Congress is very different. There are 435 people ruling over FOUR HUNDRED MILLION. This is no different than 1 person reigning over 1 million. (In the old days they called that a "king.")

You see, "everybody has one vote" is a lie they sell you. What's actually important is how diluted that vote is.

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Consider also the SENATE. In the old days, each Senator was appointed by his respective state legislature. He had a strong incentive to represent the interests of that state legislature, for otherwise, they would remove him from office. This meant that the Senators were beholden to the States, just as the House was beholden to the People. (The Senators actually represented the States, in those days.) Therefore, a Senator actually had to deal with 50 or 100 actual state legislators and their concerns, or he was fired.

But today, things are very different. The Senator is elected by direct election of the people. For example in California, there are THIRTY MILLION PEOPLE but only 2 Senators. But those Senators do not represent those people, since it is physically impossible for anyone to represent thirty million people. Instead, those Senators represent the large corporations who pay for TV commercials that get them elected. As for the voters, the Senators really only care about a certain vague notion of whether the voters are "angry", and this they only care about once every 6 years. They certainly do not represent those voters, nor do they represent the interests of their State government (which has no say in their election.)

So you see, the States WERE represented in the Senate, but no longer. And the People WERE represented in the House, but no longer. Those times have passed / are passing.

This is not a problem of corporations, which are a simple fact of natural law. Rather, this is a problem of an uneducated populace being unwilling or unable to demand their right to fair representation. Once you fix that, then suddenly all problems of "corporations" or "campaign finance" or "district gerrymandering" are revealed as false issues, and disappear. Those issues are actually used as a red herring in order to distract the population and keep them occupied in the two-party system. Don't fall for it.

Also, see:   www.apportionment.us

Corporations can only become an illicit power center (as well as a bogeyman) in cases where your vote has been diluted away. The same is true of unions, and even government agencies. This is why you move through life with that vague feeling of pressure to either become part of the investor class and under SEC and FDIC regulation, or the corporate class regulated by your manager who is regulated by the FTC, or to join a union, regulated by the Department of Labor, or work for a government agency, or to end up in the prison system or living off of the Dept. of Housing and Urban Development. You certainly don't feel as if the system is pushing you towards "running your own ship", now do you?

All of the problems that conservatives normally associate with unions are not a result of the unions themselves (i.e. the workers' natural rights of association and collective bargaining.) Rather, they are problems caused by state and federal laws which favor unions at the expense of our rights.

Similarly, the problems that liberals associate with corporations are not a result of the corporations themselves (i.e. the investors' and employees' natural rights of association, property, voluntary exchange and the right to contract.) Rather, they are problems caused by state and federal laws which favor corporations at the expense of our rights.

It's always the same: Unfair advantages (granted via government force) to the corporations/unions/banks/whatever, bundled with increased government power to regulate those same corporations/banks/unions/etc--always at the expense of individuals and small businesses--with the ill-gotten gains being distributed disproportionately to those who are well-connected. Growing more and more towards fascism on the right, and socialism on the left.

The cause is also always the same: lack of fair representation stemming from ignorance about our rights under Magna Carta, under the Enlightenment, under Natural Law, under the Declaration of Independence, and the Judeo-Christian ethic. This same ignorance also destroys our right to a fair jury trial via juries who judge the law itself (and not merely the facts of the case.) For if jurors are ignorant of this right, it becomes of no effect.

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January 26, 2012, 12:33:04 AM
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Do you seriously believe that if you give mega-corporations free reign to do whatever the fuck they want they will somehow magically behave when even now, with the most negligable and tiny of regulations they routinely fuck large numbers of people over on a daily basis?

The problem isn't when individuals or corporations are free to do whatever they want.

The problem is when the government gives them special privileges at the expense of others' rights.


And who controls what the govt does?

Corporations. Which, of course, wouldn't exist without the government.

sure, they certainly wouldn't, but the point made was about their freedom.

If corporation freedom means they influence the government to increase their own freedom, isn't that exactly the problem?

Certain people are in control (who ultimately control the corporations) that help themselves. There's nothing amazingly insightful about this. Blaming government is blaming the gun (partly the problem), and the larger problem are the people not standing up to it.
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January 27, 2012, 08:08:42 PM
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they can assasinate a president, but they can't assasinate bitcoin

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January 28, 2012, 06:19:44 AM
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if you're suggesting we force people to replace competition with compassion, you are neither competitive or compassionate, but violent and callous.
I will not be judgemental, not even conditionnally.
Lawful enforcement of a democratically adopted law (like social security and health care for everyone) is the norm in a democracy.

This theory has worked out very well in terms of criminalizing recreational drug use. A properly functioning democracy requires an educated and well-represented population. A bait and switch has occurred, as explained very well by fellowtraveler. For example, the US is a constitutional republic in theory. In practice both the means of accurately interpreting the constitution and ensuring proper representation have been co-opted, leading to corporatism.
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January 28, 2012, 05:54:40 PM
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they can assasinate a president, but they can't assasinate bitcoin

bitcoin will not magically save the world on its own

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February 01, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
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This is unrelated to the topic, but how did the OP post as an "Anonymous" Guest?

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February 01, 2012, 08:37:19 PM
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This is unrelated to the topic, but how did the OP post as an "Anonymous" Guest?

Because they are Legion  Smiley

The user was Atlas and he requested deletion of his account if i recall that right.

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February 02, 2012, 03:47:55 AM
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This is unrelated to the topic, but how did the OP post as an "Anonymous" Guest?

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The user was Atlas and he requested deletion of his account if i recall that right.

I'm pretty sure he was permabanned with a vengeance :/

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February 02, 2012, 09:06:28 AM
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This is unrelated to the topic, but how did the OP post as an "Anonymous" Guest?

Because they are Legion  Smiley

The user was Atlas and he requested deletion of his account if i recall that right.

I'm pretty sure he was permabanned with a vengeance :/

Really?  I thought he was a mod here?  What happened - I love a bit of drama :O

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February 02, 2012, 11:04:15 AM
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Google "Executive order 11110" and make your own mind.
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