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Is there any updates about Evolution? When should it hit mainnet?
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Is there any updates about Evolution? When should it hit mainnet?

https://github.com/dashpay/dash-roadmap

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September 21, 2017, 06:12:51 PM

Guys, please answer, since when does monero have a masternode? where is this information at?
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Guys, please answer, since when does monero have a masternode? where is this information at?

It was already answerred, Monero does not have masternodes.

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* What if nodes/miners decide to censor or discriminate transactions above 10,000$...

You're conflating fungibility of the coin supply with "fungibility" of the transacting environment.

They are distinct.


No they are not. You either have fungibility or not. You can't pretend to have fungibility while actually not having it.

It's the same as privacy on Dash. You either have it or you dont. If the TX can be traced back via some blockchain analysis, then you neither have privacy nor fungibility. So why pretend that you do?


you literally have to enforce equality on the blockchain, by anonymizing everything, but leaving it cryptographically verifiable and secure.[/b]

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Encrypted blockchains are far less "verifiable" and far less "secure" than unencrypted ones.

Yeah it's called public key cryptography, you can verify the  encrypted block with the public key, that is why Monero supplies a pubkey as well as an additional layer of privacy which you would normally not share.


Not to mention slow transaction times, bloated blockchain, almost non existant official releases, not very many full nodes on the network, and of course the opaque blockchain in which you have to trust there is no bad actor stealthily minting coins they shouldn't. But apart from that. Hey at least Monero has a graphical UI these days. It took a while.



Whoah hold on there buddy that is pure disinformation.

From what I researched Monero has over 1k nodes, well geographically dispersed, pretty decent for a project of it's size, while Dash's Masternode allegations still stand, due to it's costly nature we don't know whether it's the orignal devs setup the Masternodes or not, I personally highly doubt that many people have that much money to throw out on a node so, at the very least people should be vigilant about the Masternodes. So a sybil attack is more probable on Dash.

And you also seem to confuse Monero with Zcash. It's Zcash that has a totally non-transparent blockchain with "trusted" initialization. Monero is decentralized and trustless.


Now I don't know about "bloated blockchain", that's such a redundant term, almost everyone uses it to criticize a competitor. And the last time I sent a Monero TX (wasn't that long ago), the TX confirmed pretty quickly with decent fees.


So I think you are just trying to discredit Monero here from a competitor's point of view.


You are right on the GUI part though, I really had to learn the console commands just to make a wallet, pretty gruesome nerdy work, but I think it was worth it. A better GUI and possible mobile apps and such should be put out in the future though.

Thanks for tackling the FUD generated by the Evan's Gate cult to keep their members brainwashed.  Mind if I pile on?

The lies about XMR nodes are a deflection from criticism of Dash's many problems and easily proven false (which makes the initial lie more shameful/less forgivable).  Accordingn to https://monerohash.com/nodes-distribution.html there are "Total nodes: 1451" ATM.

Now let's consider how 1500 XMR nodes stack up against 4500 Masternodes.

The hardware footprint is similar for now, but we should keep in mind Evan is already acting to create expensive, obligatory, proprietary Masternode hardware because he insists on shoving every transaction into Layer1 like some kind of derpy crypto-clown.

So both nodes run on a simple $5/month Vultr, no problem.  That's good for decentralization, which is measured by the cost of the option to run a full node.

But Dash artificially raises the barrier to entry by 1000 Dash, which brings CONOP to ~$300k and thus destroys any illusion about the Dash network being diverse/diffuse/defensible/resilient.

Another aspect is how the nodes work together to instantiate their respective protocols.  Monero nodes do not have to trust each other because their protocol is trustless and does not leak exploitable metadata.  But Masternodes do not 'blind' their connections and so must trust their fellow Masternodes are not malicious or otherwise compromised.  The Masternode protocol was supposedly going to add blinding, but that never happened because Duffield isn't a good enough programmer and doesn't care about shredding his credibility with fanciful plans which are announced to great fanfare and then silently abandoned.

As for Sybil attacks, there exists in Dash an incentive to attack fellow Masternodes which has no counterpart in Monero.  IE, Masternode owners may increase the amount and frequency of their own Masternode Ponzi payments by removing other Masternodes from the payment queue (accomplished by knocking them offline).

Similarly, there exists in Dash an incentive to sabotage InstantSend because Masternodes reap higher tx fees processing regular (and especially PrivateSend) transactions.

Dash has no fucking business talking about a "bloated blockchain" when Evan is planning on moving Masternodes to exotic custom verification ASICs just to get around his failure to implement segwit and enable payments being moved to higher layers.  This moron is buddies with all the Big Blockers like Roger Ver, and in his diseased imagination he believes $500k Masternodes hosted in $1k/month data centers processing 500mb blocks is going to be the wave of future.

Compared to the latest Bitcoin Core, Dash's blockchain is bloated because Dash transactions still must use precious block space for mostly-useless witness data at the cost of excluding additional transactions.  This bloat cannot be pruned, unlike the user-definable pruning levels available in Core.

Where is the Dash supporter willing to honestly compare the total cumulative size ("blockchain bloat") of a PrivateSend Dash transaction versus one from Monero?

Of course the best privacy in the world isn't free.  Only a bloated blue-hair SJW with hideous extra-thick cankles and zero understanding of computer science would expect otherwise.

Having said that, let's keep in mind Monero's RingCT is the initial release, with amazing sub-log optimizations (google "RuffCT") coming Soon(tm).

The best party of Monero's CLI is that it kept Dash clowns from buying during the years of cheap sub-dollar XMR.

They were not willing to learn and apply themselves so they didn't get the XMR gains.

Back in the day, I spent a couple of weeks cursing like a sailor and popping telomeres just getting cgminer to work, followed by months of fighting with thermal paste/fans/firmware/drivers/clock speeds/mem timings/pools/orphans/rejects/variance.  That "gruesome nerdy work" was the most valuable experience of my life....  Cool

That's how crypto is supposed to work; it's not a free ride for the MOAR GIBS PLZ leeches.

We are now experiencing Peak Eternal September as evidenced by the voluntary transfer of wealth to useless shitlibs lacking any redeeming talent or ability.

People have accused me of being a Monero shill, while I said at the begginning that I try to be impartial, but it's getting hard if I see only lies posted. I actually hold both XMR and DASH now at this point ,so I should normally not care since I am well hedged.

But identifying problems is the first step on fixing them. DASH can be fixed but the community has to admit it first that it has some tiny flaws first.


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September 22, 2017, 02:38:24 AM

I am not confused about Monero and Zcash. Both have opaque blockchains.

No you don't get it. The monero Blockchain can be verified by the pubkey, which only you should have anyway the transactions in the block don't matter from decentralization point of view, the crypto is solid and the format is probably not malleable. So it works perfectly.

While Zcash is totally dark, which means that it totally relies on the trusted initialization phase. And Dash is totally open with "optional" privacy whic is also very weak.

Monero is both trustless and private, it's the golden mean between decentralization and privacy.


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September 22, 2017, 03:55:15 AM

I am not confused about Monero and Zcash. Both have opaque blockchains.

No you don't get it. The monero Blockchain can be verified by the pubkey, which only you should have anyway the transactions in the block don't matter from decentralization point of view, the crypto is solid and the format is probably not malleable. So it works perfectly.

While Zcash is totally dark, which means that it totally relies on the trusted initialization phase. And Dash is totally open with "optional" privacy whic is also very weak.

Monero is both trustless and private, it's the golden mean between decentralization and privacy.

The Monero blockchain can NOT be verified with a pubkey.  A Monero Transaction Can be verified,  That is a BIG difference. 

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The information about digital coins always change every time include the information about dashcoin, the best way to get more information about dashcoin, you can subscribe via email on the official website of dashcoin, usually they send the new information about dashcoin via email or you can stay on here to get more information. The new information related with dashcoin on media is CoinDash ICO Hacker Returns 10,000 Ether Without Any Demands https://themerkle.com/coindash-ico-hacker-returns-10000-ether-without-any-demands/ hope it give you enough of information for your blog.
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You're mixing up some terms i think.
You're using "Dashcoin" while this is the "Dash" thread.
CoinDash ico has nothing to do with Dash.
Dash has nothing to do with Ether.
So most of your post does not make sense.

Edit: for updates on Dash i have found https://www.dashforcenews.com/ to be very helpful.
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September 22, 2017, 08:21:27 AM

The Monero blockchain can NOT be verified with a pubkey.  A Monero Transaction Can be verified,  That is a BIG difference. 
Just ignore the troll. He doesn't know what he is talking about. He studied economics and knows nothing about economics. So how do you expect he knows something about privacy in crypto ? Let him continue his own bullshit and just ignore his presence.
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September 22, 2017, 08:22:30 AM

Dash Price Swims Against the Current

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-price-dips-below-3900-but-market-treads-water/

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Dash price outperforms rivals, as privacy-focused cryptocoin overtakes Litecoin

http://invezz.com/news/crypto/27326-Dash-price-outperforms-rivals-as-privacy-focused-cryptocoin-overtakes-Litecoin

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September 22, 2017, 08:59:42 AM

LTC and Dash are the same in terms of capitalization, however, LTC 8% of the vote, and Dash is only 3% (of which 1 my voice), so the LTC is undervalued and interesting for investments https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2116436.0

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LTC and Dash are the same in terms of capitalization, however, LTC 8% of the vote, and Dash is only 3% (of which 1 my voice), so the LTC is undervalued and interesting for investments https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2116436.0
LTC is overvalued. It has no use. It is just a cheap copy paste from Bitcoin. Having Bitcoin Cash around LTC has become even less valuable. Who cares about the % votes you have in a shit network ?
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Dash is Making a Splash: Displacing Litecoin, "Digital Cash" is on the Warpath

https://cryptovest.com/news/dash-is-making-a-splash/

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...You either have fungibility or not. You can't pretend to have fungibility while actually not having it. it has some tiny flaws first.

You're clinging to a slightly desperate philosophical angle here. Dash is a transparent blockchain for a reason - that we are dealing with an unbacked digital monetary asset which relies on public endorsement for its very existence as such. Insofar as anonymity impacts fungibility, the coin supply is just as fungible. It isn't affected by the public being able to audit and view movements since the distinction between one address and another is only quantitative, not qualitative and it's the latter that defines fungibility, not the former.

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Encrypted blockchains are far less "verifiable" and far less "secure" than unencrypted ones.

Yeah it's called public key cryptography, you can verify the  encrypted block with the public key, that is why Monero supplies a pubkey as well as an additional layer of privacy which you would normally not share.

Indeed. But the problem with encrypted chains is that confidence at the granular level (level of individual users) doesn’t aggregate to the macro level. Users are all firewalled off from each other by this encryption of the transacting environment so there’s nowhere near the consensual level of confidence you’d have in a transparent chain.

It’s all based on trust: trust in the “hopium” than that the client you happen to be using actually faithfully implements the protocol; trust in the ‘experts’ that the chain is ok when either some rogue group says it isn’t or when your own client software says it isn’t; trust in developers that the code isn’t doing some mad corrupt leakage out to an address that nobody can see or audit; trust in a centralised encryption algorithm that it won't be sprung open with a can opener a few years down the line to reveal every transaction in history. (A 'viewkey' doesn't in the least change this fact by the way. All a viewkey is is a private key with read-only privilages, it isn't a substitute for a fully transparent chain).

Whatever way you look at it, any level of blockchain obfuscation whatsoever simply creates a potentially toxic environment for weeds to grow and stay out of view. Meanwhile, any additional “privacy” it might offer is mostly redundant since the blockchain itself is only one of many transacting environments for the asset and the job was already done by Satoshi anyway. The only people that don’t see that are those that erroneously project a legacy “bank account” credit money paradigm onto blockchain assets.

Remember, transparent chains also use a version of public/private key cryptography. That’s why your private key is called a “private key”. It’s also why blockchain asset ownership is legitimately referred to as “private” since any knowledge about keyholder identities has be be gleaned off chain. It's like seeing a house in the street: the house is public but its ownership is private. You don't make the ownership any more private by making the house invisible. But you may make its value practically worthless.

By recycling the supply on a continuous basis, Dash further mitigates even that vector in order to keep your holdings “private” even though they may exist on a transparent chain and even though you may have transacted previously form an address associated with you.
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