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Author Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency  (Read 9725322 times)
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July 12, 2020, 11:51:43 PM

I could be wrong but it seems like he will not sell now though he might consider it at a later date during a pump and dump because forking is out of the question. It would take a brave person to push forward proposals to fork and then actually do it if consensus did not go their way.

Either he sells now, or he sells at next major Dash pump like he mentioned. Or he does nothing and this has been all talks but no action for him.

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July 13, 2020, 02:38:01 AM
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The split-reward mechanism isn't working as intended when it comes to competitiveness in the investment market blah blah...


Ok Tok.  Really.  Investment market?!?  You ACTUALLY believe that investors in crypto are investing on fundamentals at this time?  If you in fact ACTUALLY believe that and actually believe that there are those that actually invest in this space on any fundamentals then we are have nothing else to discuss.  If this is the case then you have an agenda based on VERY flawed ideology.  Up to 90% of the trading in crypto is fake.  Fact.  Majority of this trading is wash trading. Fact.  Of this trading only a very small handful of investors/whales control the market. Fact.

I don't mean this in any way as a personal attack, but the conversation throughout the discussion forums is that you have lost your marbles.  Pointing to DASH's market cap is disingenuous, misleading and down right opportunistic in supporting your rhetoric.  So you really want to "die" on that hill?   99.9% of crypto investors couldn't even tell you 2 basic innovations that DASH has developed...never mined what a MN or miner is or even extremely less likely what the hell our rewards allocations are or even what they do.

Please...lets try to be more honest in this conversation.

In the mean time...have a read of this.

https://medium.com/capriole/hash-ribbons-bitcoin-bottoms-60da13095836
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July 13, 2020, 12:07:31 PM
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Pointing to DASH's market cap is disingenuous, misleading and down right opportunistic

Really ? I think I'll just leave that assertion to stand on its own merits (or otherwise  Wink ).

You ACTUALLY believe that investors in crypto are investing on fundamentals at this time?....Fact.  Majority of this trading is wash trading.

Dash has been around for nearly 6 years and I do think its characteristics are quite widely understood. I also think they're well researched by any serious investors that plan to acquire large amounts, as say, fund managers might. While "wash trading" does go on it affects volume more directly over marketcap and occurs across all markets. It isn't the reason for Dash's loss of ranking.

Most of all, I don't think we're at liberty to cite "market ignorance" as a justification for our lack of competitiveness when there are much more obvious causes to which this can be attributed.

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I'm not sure what you think this article demonstrates, but it's a commentary on dip buying. It shows how hashrate/difficulty cycles can be used to identify optimal entry points to the bitcoin market and that maximum gain is made over periods of highest hashrate growth.

Nowhere does it allude to the idea that cheaply secured networks attract more value than blockchains which subject all of their blocks to competitive mining.

For a more instructive example of how these price dynamics work, I suggest you take a look at the fine art market. The fine art market works EXACTLY like mined cryptocurrencies in certain key respects. In particular, with regard to establishing a "starting price" for the block. As the secondary market grows, it also feeds back to the primary except the artist will put their prices UP, not down for new works. If the artist decides to give half their supply of new works away for free, the secondary market isn't going to save them. Investors will simply pick artists who don't do that over ones that do.

Moreover, cryptocurrency mining establishes the "starting price" for the next block with even more authority than the fine art market does since no single person sets it, rather it's set competitively by the consensus of many participants.

Masternode revenues are not subject to competitive mining and therefore emerge with a zero cost base (and consequently zero opening price to the recipient who's then at liberty to profit-take all the way to zero. There's no penalty for selling since no loss to take for liquidating below market value). Alternatively you can take the approach that their "cost' is covered by mining cost in which case this analysis applies.

Either way the margins are a free lunch which is not sustainable in dollar terms and sets up unfavourable capital flows away from us towards competing, 100% mined coins. We can retain the best of both words by rethinking things but as they say, "beatings will continue" in terms of our competitiveness until we acknowledge this IMO.


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July 13, 2020, 12:53:57 PM
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Looks like Dash is about to receive some further upward momentum on the 1W charts :


Source : tradingview, Poloniex, 1W

Here is a close up of Dash Price, RSI and MACD :


Source : tradingview, Poloniex, 1W

MACD is signaling a weakening of our current downward momentum and possibly the forming of a new trend with upward momentum.
Dash price already went from 0.00725 early July, to 0.00816 today.




I have a feeling we won't stay long below 0.01

In the meantime Dogecoin is getting dumped hard : https://cryptowat.ch/charts/HITBTC:DOGE-BTC?period=12h
That is what you get when you have opportunistic traders, who are more focused on short term profits instead of long term growth.
Ultimately people will just end up with a very quick pump and dump.  

 

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July 13, 2020, 01:31:20 PM

Imagine being here on this date  (2014)  and buying dash.

Dash is one of best altcoins for me. I was using it for my transfers.
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July 13, 2020, 01:32:08 PM

Imagine being here on this date  (2014)  and mining dash.

Dash is one of best altcoins for me. I was using it for my transfers.
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Imagine being here on this date  (2014)  and buying dash.

Dash is one of best altcoins for me. I was using it for my transfers.

Nice to hear that.

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July 13, 2020, 02:29:33 PM

The Beauty of Dash (w/ Hillary Rojas)

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July 13, 2020, 02:58:03 PM

Voting at least shows a transparent manner towards a consensus, it allows those with vested interests to push forward their views and settle the roadmap for the foreseeable future for the crypto involved (in the case Dash). It offers something different to what other crypto out there are not offering so it helps with a sense of community.


Dash does not do hard forks like that, because our governance system allows us to move forward without a need for hard forks.

Agreed!   Which is one of many reasons for the governance system.   I think this system is under appreciated -- To everyone involved in this debate,  thank you for your time and passion.   This push and pull followed by voting is the way forward for the network.



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Consensus is starting to form : https://www.dashcentral.org/p/decision-proposal-block-reward-reallocat





Voting deadline : 13 days



Lets get voting participation as high as possible !! Highest voting participation on an active budget proposal is currently at 1146 votes, lets crush that.
Current voting participation : 683

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Indeed !

The owners of most of the Dash supply vote to have even more of the new supply donated to them.

Well thought through economics which should attract back valuable marketcap that's been lost to our competitors. (Because, hey - masternodes just never were paid enough for doing nothing and the rewards were going to the wrong people ! Wink )
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(Because, hey - masternodes just never were paid enough for doing nothing and the rewards were going to the wrong people ! Wink )
What are you saying? Masternode holders should receive more profit, since they are the main investors in the dash project, who hold the main asset for their personal money. They should be interested in this, and a high reward will motivate them. Nothing will happen to mining, this niche will always be busy and competitive.
Immediately I'm sorry for spelling, I use a translator from Russia
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Masternode holders should receive more profit, since they are the main investors in the dash project

But Dash does not make a "profit".

It's a synthetic monetary commodity, not a business. (Even if it was a business, the "profit" would accrue to the business, not to investors. Investors might get paid dividends occasionally but hopefully not to the extent that it cost them a capital loss many times the amount of the dividend).

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Customized Top 25 in marketcap, ranked according a specific category. This is how coinmarketcap should show marketcap and ranking in my opinion.


Source : messari.io

Note : This does not change how i feel about marketcap or ranks, i stlll think marketcap figures are too abstract and not all that interesting. Marketcap figures will most likely keep increasing
over time (long term speaking) as this whole crypto market is still a relatively new market that keeps on expanding. The decline in marketcap for most of these Altcoins is therefore in my eyes just temporary
and occurs mostly during bear markets. Crypto marketcap will be a continuous case of fluctuation between expansion (bull market), retraction (bear market) and further expansion (bull market).
Only those crypto projects that are no longer supported or missing a specific use case or created to fraude people, i could see having a continuous decrease in marketcap over time (ICO's for example).

What i do find interesting is the 'Down from ATH' %, specially when comparing Dash performance with other Altcoins performance during a bear market.
Is it not striking that crypto currencies with a much higher marketcap then Dash (lets take XRP for example), are showing pretty much the same 'Down from ATH' % as Dash ?
What does that tell us about using only marketcap to rate and value a cryptocurrency ?

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July 14, 2020, 09:33:10 AM
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Its a not much of a dilemma for the masternode owners


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July 14, 2020, 11:27:26 AM

With our annual blockreward allocation reduction of -7,1% those 'more Dash for me' becomes 'same Dash for me' pretty quickly.
This is not even about 'more Dash for me', it is about less circulating supply growth for all of us and less inflation for users.

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July 14, 2020, 11:30:54 AM

I would welcome a fork. I don't think the idea deserves the hysterical response given by some on here. The days of fork fear meaning doomsday for a project should be past us now. Bitcoin hasn't suffered as many feared, it has had numerous forks by now.


Everyone must acknowledge Ryan's proposal has a real (not imagined) risk that it could be wrong. I am sure Ryan himself would admit this possibility even if he thinks it remote
  

In the event of a fork

Ryans idea of altering block rewards can be tested in BOTH directions, sliding the scale towards more proof of work and in the 'main' fork more proof of stake as per the current proposal
ALL dash investors would receive both types of Dash. You lose nothing.
ALL masternode owners get to run masternodes on both forks. You gain masternodes
ALL dash investors get a chance to 'vote' by exchanging  one type for the other if they wish
THE market can decide where the value flows
Valuable information learned about crypto/masternode economics
Lots of publicity.
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July 14, 2020, 11:33:39 AM

With our annual blockreward allocation reduction of -7,1% those 'more Dash for me' becomes 'same Dash for me' pretty quickly.
This is not even about 'more Dash for me', it is about less circulating supply growth for all of us and less inflation for users.

Yes the supply is designed to decrease over time, we all know that I'm sure. That is nothing really to do with changing the block reward allocation. unless to make you feel better about voting yes
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I would welcome a fork. I don't think the idea deserves the hysterical response given by some on here. The days of fork fear meaning doomsday for a project should be past us now. Bitcoin hasn't suffered as many feared, it has had numerous forks by now.


Everyone must acknowledge Ryan's proposal has a real (not imagined) risk that it could be wrong. I am sure Ryan himself would admit this possibility even if he thinks it remote
  

In the event of a fork

Ryans idea of altering block rewards can be tested in BOTH directions, sliding the scale towards more proof of work and in the 'main' fork more proof of stake as per the current proposal
ALL dash investors would receive both types of Dash. You lose nothing.
ALL masternode owners get to run masternodes on both forks. You gain masternodes
ALL dash investors get a chance to 'vote' by exchanging  one type for the other if they wish
THE market can decide where the value flows
Valuable information learned about crypto/masternode economics
Lots of publicity.


Good luck with entertaining those thoughts  Grin
Of course you are free to create a decision proposal for the network about this, though i doubt it will gather much support. I suspect most masternode operators will choose for project stability and will vote
against any kind of dramatic community-dividing hard fork idea.

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