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July 20, 2020, 11:26:04 PM
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Surely this is a bit extreme because Dash will be around for a long time. Those who are calling for its early demise are just not serious...


Dash won't die but if its on page two or three of coinmarket cap its as good as dead except for those diehards who will keep dashing.

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Ryans proposal is all about encouraging more masternodes to come online, so all those brand new, fresh off the shelf 1000 dash collatoral's will stop circulating in the market and bringing price down. So there will be less supply and more demand. So the number of masternodes can ever increase along the 'predicted' line on the chart, giving dash a nice warm reassuring demand in the market.

And yet, the 100% POW competitors, some of which have had much more coin inflation than dash, (real inflation not 'circulating inflation'), have much higher value blockchains than dash without a single coin 'locked' as collatoral. There is no locked litecoin, no locked XMR. Not even going into how they have much less innovation than dash. It doesn't add up. Ryan's proposal is complicated because it has to be. To obscure the reality.  

To the yes voters how you explain this? These competitors don't need to fret (at the bottom of the bear market) about how much to allocate to who. But they enjoy much more valuable blockchains. They don't even bother to troll this thread anymore.

I agree we don't want 100% proof of work. I agree it is a question of where to draw the line. I am with Dash. But Ryan is wanting to draw a new line in a place that makes an existing problem worse.

Never once has anyone important in the dash community answered (or acknowledged in any real way) toknormal's extremely well thought out and well presented alternative viewpoint. I had to sit and watch Amanda nodding and not challenging Ryan at all. Shame on you all. Ignoring facts, ignoring the challenge, ignoring the reality of the wider market.
 
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Some people are impatient to get off the bus. Many are deep underwater.

A quick (though brief, because it will only last until the next MN ceiling gets hit) 1000 MN exit pump may seem more appealing than long term stability and growth. The risk is we might end up with neither if the "wider market" doesn't buy it.
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And yet, the 100% POW competitors, some of which have had much more coin inflation than dash, (real inflation not 'circulating inflation'), have much higher value blockchains than dash without a single coin 'locked' as collatoral. There is no locked litecoin, no locked XMR. Not even going into how they have much less innovation than dash. It doesn't add up. Ryan's proposal is complicated because it has to be. To obscure the reality.  

I don't think you should get so upset with Ryan's proposal. It does not change things significantly, it more or less keeps masternode rewards the same while slowly reducing miner rewards. What happens to BTC when miner rewards get cut in half? So if Dash's miner rewards get reduced (even if slightly) that will have an opposite effect for DASH than it does for BTC? If anything we probably should conclude that DASH should definitely not increase miner rewards.

Besides... the proposal hasn't been implemented yet, DASH's price movement over the last 4 years has occurred with the same DASH you bought into so not sure why you think DASH's price has anything to do with this proposal... Also DASH entered 2020 at around $44 or so... less than XMR and about the same as LTC. It's likely $40 was the bottom for DASH, and you are already seeing DASH recovering faster than its competitors. It likely will continue to do so over the next 6 months, it's just waiting, like the rest of the altcoin market, for BTC to give it permission...

To the yes voters how you explain this? These competitors don't need to fret (at the bottom of the bear market) about how much to allocate to who. But they enjoy much more valuable blockchains. They don't even bother to troll this thread anymore.

Hard for trolls to have much to say for a coin that's hovering around $70 USD... Also, wasn't trolling more a 2014-2016 thing?

I agree we don't want 100% proof of work. I agree it is a question of where to draw the line. I am with Dash. But Ryan is wanting to draw a new line in a place that makes an existing problem worse.

What is this existing problem you're so worried about?

Never once has anyone important in the dash community answered (or acknowledged in any real way) toknormal's extremely well thought out and well presented alternative viewpoint. I had to sit and watch Amanda nodding and not challenging Ryan at all. Shame on you all. Ignoring facts, ignoring the challenge, ignoring the reality of the wider market.

Has toknormal presented his viewpoint to them somewhere?

Personally I'm not convinced by his viewpoint and I've already outlined why more than once. Seems like many are just panicking in a bear market.

What you're seeing now is mostly speculators speculating and a cycle of adoption for a new tech (all cryptocurrencies, not just DASH). Prices increase slowly, then rush to top out and the bubble bursts, prices crash and contract (many altcoins become similarly valued) and then the survivors repeat the process. So far, DASH looks like a clear survivor... it still needs to break out of the descending trend line against BTC but so does BTC need to break out of the descending trend line against USD... but it looks like both may occur very soon...
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BelnCrypto interview with Ryan Taylor from Dash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2HqTPtNMGY

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BelnCrypto interview with Ryan Taylor from Dash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2HqTPtNMGY



Dash is lucky to have a Dash spokes person like Ryan Taylor, who has such an articulate and easy to follow language style.
In some ways i find him even better then Evan Duffield, when he was still active as a Dash spokes person (first few years).

Ryan is always to the point, is very good at explaining things in normal plain English and almost never lose track of any question that he is addressing.
He may not have the charisma of a Roger Ver, but he does have his own style and i think it works for a hype-free crypto project like Dash.

Same for Amanda B Johnson, who i wish could be deployed as Dash spokes person more. We could use some new Dash Detailed type shows of her,
with a focus on Dash Platform for example and on new Dash developments.

Here is a little flashback of her reporting on Dash first DDoS network attack : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkKKRJLeDBA

Cultivating and maintaining their role as Dash spokes persons would benefit Dash i think.
I am not sure if Amanda still sees herself as a Dash spokes person though.

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The best cryptocurrency for long-term investment, as for me.
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What is this existing problem you're so worried about?

The existing problem is we have a split reward system which pays masternodes a lot for doing nothing and investors very little for doing everything. (since they cover the cost of mining of the primary supply).

The existing problem is we have proven to be less competitive instead of more. Our 100% mining reward contemporaries have become way more valuable than we have over the same period of time.

Do yourself a little calculation. Take the masternode count, multiply it by the weekly MN reward, then multiply that by the Dash/USD exchange rate. Then multiply that by 52 (to get the annual amount). Then multiply that by 5 (to project a nominal 500% gain to a Dash price of, say $350).

As masternode holders, if we intend to pay ourselves that amount of annual revenue drawn from the blockchain each year without incurring ANY cost (i.e. near 100% pure margin) then I'd say we have some due diligence to do in terms of identifying who is on the other side of that revenue stream. (i.e. who incurs the cost, even though it may be nominal). You cannot have revenue without cost, doesn't matter whether the rewards get liquidated or not.

In our case, this is the value of Dash being withheld from investors. It's the value that would otherwise have been delivered into the hands of those paying for the primary supply and therefore represents a nominal cost to them. When investing in our 100% mining-reward competitors, investors do not incur such a cost which is why we're sharing the bottom of this list with a joke coin while they are not.

You can look at it the other way if you want: That the mining supply is fully delivered to those who pay for it and the masternode supply is independent, created by way of nominal growth instead of through competitive mining and that this purely numerical inflation is "gifted" to masternodes. But then the market is at liberty to value that portion of the supply at zero (which is its opening price to the masternode recipient). It amounts to the same result - a cratering of our marketcap relative to our fully mined contemporaries.

Reducing the mining reward in the name of improving store-of-value has it exactly the wrong way around. It needs o be increased otherwise the adverse competitive is just going to continue and worsen.

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As more MNs go online payments get smaller and we have the block reduction -- you make it sound like purchasing a $70,000 MN to receive $11 per day coupled with the trend that slopes down and the block reduction is "free money".   Yes, it is different from running a graphics card or spending $5k on a miner but don't talk about free money.   MN owners have been put through the ringer and continue to support this project and right now it would be tough to explain why a new MN owner should jump on board with these incentives.   Maybe we do need to make the MN investment better!   Dash did much better than other ALTS in the 2017 bull run and now we have fallen back and we will do good in the next one.   Making such a big deal over this proposal is just odd to me.  I think Ryan is doing a job well and DCG is moving the needle.  They have worked on, proposed a solution, and I accept this solution. Let's see where it takes us.   

At this point are you fighting just to fight?   

 
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It is not just the Dash Core team that are an asset to the project, the various language based communities worldwide are doing much to spread the word and have Dash to a new level. Dash local community groups in some African nations and South American nations are very prolific.

The flashback video you linked is interesting even though it is over 3 years old, she seems to articulate her points very carefully and presents in a professional manner. It shows Dash is heading in the right direction when intelligent and well spoken people that can hold an audience are able to make interesting and entertaining videos about Dash and other crypto keeping it in the news.

Dash is lucky to have a Dash spokes person like Ryan Taylor, who has such an articulate and easy to follow language style.
In some ways i find him even better then Evan Duffield, when he was still active as a Dash spokes person (first few years).

Ryan is always to the point, is very good at explaining things in normal plain English and almost never lose track of any question that he is addressing.
He may not have the charisma of a Roger Ver, but he does have his own style and i think it works for a hype-free crypto project like Dash.

Same for Amanda B Johnson, who i wish could be deployed as Dash spokes person more. We could use some new Dash Detailed type shows of her,
with a focus on Dash Platform for example and on new Dash developments.

Here is a little flashback of her reporting on Dash first DDoS network attack : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkKKRJLeDBA

Cultivating and maintaining their role as Dash spokes persons would benefit Dash i think.
I am not sure if Amanda still sees herself as a Dash spokes person though.

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At this point are you fighting just to fight?

No, just responding to relevant commentary. I do try to put some constructive thought into each post.

Saying that "masternodes have been put through the ringer" isn't a justification for an unsustainable protocol that has been demonstrated to haemorrhage marketcap to other coins IMO.

Nor is saying Dash did much better than other ALTS in the 2017 bull run and now we have fallen back and we will do good in the next one. The market conditions now and then have no comparison. Dash was a market leader at that time and served as one of the main hedges against bitcoin's impending "doom" of a contentious hardfork. We've not only fallen back from there against bitcoin but gone beyond it and lost half the value that the 2017 pump launched off.

IMO it's important that this proposal does not go unchallenged because it represents an endorsement of the prevailing strategy which has not been successful or worked as intended. The principle of the split reward system is that it improves competitiveness, not erodes it.

Pay masternodes enough to justify their added value and it will work as intended, make Dash more competitive and gain it marketcap.

Use MN rewards as bottomless well of bribery payments in exchange for hodling, and it'll do the exact opposite.
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It is not just the Dash Core team that are an asset to the project, the various language based communities worldwide are doing much to spread the word and have Dash to a new level. Dash local community groups in some African nations and South American nations are very prolific.

The flashback video you linked is interesting even though it is over 3 years old, she seems to articulate her points very carefully and presents in a professional manner. It shows Dash is heading in the right direction when intelligent and well spoken people that can hold an audience are able to make interesting and entertaining videos about Dash and other crypto keeping it in the news.
DASH communities have been built gradually since 2018. Maybe many investors don't pay their attention on such slowly growth of DASH behind the scene. Maybe one of reasons come from crypto bearish market in the whole 2018 till early months of 2019.

I saw the community growth 2 days ago and it has not stopped up till now. Strong communities, in many nations, in many continents, prolific partnerships globally. The crypto market has jumped to its new period latest months and we will see DASH growths in price on market soon. LEND is very impressive example that how an altcoin can skyrocket at its right period.

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Maybe a little bit off topic, but lets do a little game : what do you guys think these cryptocurrencies have in common currently ?

https://cryptowat.ch/charts/HITBTC:DOGE-BTC?period=3d
https://cryptowat.ch/charts/HITBTC:LINK-BTC?period=1d
https://cryptowat.ch/charts/HITBTC:VET-BTC?period=3d
https://cryptowat.ch/charts/HITBTC:XLM-BTC?period=3d
https://cryptowat.ch/charts/HITBTC:XTZ-BTC?period=3d

Lets also include a snapshot, as this little game of mine could take awhile to finish and will require some patience.




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They all got pumped....and your point is ?  Grin

...that Dash will soon get pumped and everything will be alright.
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And yet, the 100% POW competitors, some of which have had much more coin inflation than dash, (real inflation not 'circulating inflation'), have much higher value blockchains than dash without a single coin 'locked' as collatoral. There is no locked litecoin, no locked XMR. Not even going into how they have much less innovation than dash. It doesn't add up. Ryan's proposal is complicated because it has to be. To obscure the reality.  

I don't think you should get so upset with Ryan's proposal. It does not change things significantly, it more or less keeps masternode rewards the same while slowly reducing miner rewards. What happens to BTC when miner rewards get cut in half? So if Dash's miner rewards get reduced (even if slightly) that will have an opposite effect for DASH than it does for BTC? If anything we probably should conclude that DASH should definitely not increase miner rewards.

Besides... the proposal hasn't been implemented yet, DASH's price movement over the last 4 years has occurred with the same DASH you bought into so not sure why you think DASH's price has anything to do with this proposal... Also DASH entered 2020 at around $44 or so... less than XMR and about the same as LTC. It's likely $40 was the bottom for DASH, and you are already seeing DASH recovering faster than its competitors. It likely will continue to do so over the next 6 months, it's just waiting, like the rest of the altcoin market, for BTC to give it permission...


When bitcoin supply is cut in half it makes bitcoin harder to mine, that reduces inflation of supply, ie less dilution of the real supply. 'real' not 'circulating' It is harder to get the bitcoin this helps further make it more scarce. When Dash cuts miner reward to give more to masternode owners the real supply hasn't been altered at all, however there are now more cheaply obtained coins hitting the market than before in effect this has made the dash less scarce than before. Scarcity is a monetary property which is very important for store of value. Also miners have more incentive in bitcoin to compete for the less bitcoin available. In dash maybe the miners give up mining and become masternode owners. More cheap coins hitting the market in the case of dash. Less hashrate too has similar effect. Less hashrate, difficulty goes down. Scarcity goes down. Ryan has forgotten about scarcity and only considers network security. To be a successful monetary crypto dash will have to conform to monetary archetypes not the other way round. Ryan seems to think dash's technology can bend monetary principles to its will.    



To the yes voters how you explain this? These competitors don't need to fret (at the bottom of the bear market) about how much to allocate to who. But they enjoy much more valuable blockchains. They don't even bother to troll this thread anymore.

Hard for trolls to have much to say for a coin that's hovering around $70 USD... Also, wasn't trolling more a 2014-2016 thing?


The main point I was trying to make was to the ongoing discussion about how projects such as XMR and Litecoin have much more valuable blockchains despite not having the same innovation as dash and how even with no XMR or LTC locked in collatoral they still seem to have plenty of demand in their respective markets  and value in their respective blockchains



I agree we don't want 100% proof of work. I agree it is a question of where to draw the line. I am with Dash. But Ryan is wanting to draw a new line in a place that makes an existing problem worse.

What is this existing problem you're so worried about?


I would have though in context of previous posts it would be understood. The existing problem as I see it, is that we pay masternodes too much, which is hurting our value. We don't have enough mining.



Never once has anyone important in the dash community answered (or acknowledged in any real way) toknormal's extremely well thought out and well presented alternative viewpoint. I had to sit and watch Amanda nodding and not challenging Ryan at all. Shame on you all. Ignoring facts, ignoring the challenge, ignoring the reality of the wider market.

Has toknormal presented his viewpoint to them somewhere?

Personally I'm not convinced by his viewpoint and I've already outlined why more than once. Seems like many are just panicking in a bear market.

What you're seeing now is mostly speculators speculating and a cycle of adoption for a new tech (all cryptocurrencies, not just DASH). Prices increase slowly, then rush to top out and the bubble bursts, prices crash and contract (many altcoins become similarly valued) and then the survivors repeat the process. So far, DASH looks like a clear survivor... it still needs to break out of the descending trend line against BTC but so does BTC need to break out of the descending trend line against USD... but it looks like both may occur very soon...


toknormal has been very active presenting his viewpoint in various discussion threads. I struggle to imagine that this effort has not been noticed by anyone. 

Dash might be a survivor but I think it should be obvious that Dash with its innovations should be valued much more than it is. I think we all agree about that. Where we disagree is the method by which we improve it. Ryan goes in the exact opposite direction thinking he can manipulate the free market with bribes and incentives. But at the cost of scarcity wether he has realised this or not. Digital Scarcity from Proof of Work mining. That is where value comes from. Not from securing transactions cheap.  I predict Dash will do well against fiat in the next bull market, but will continue to fall in rank against other crypto projects
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What is this existing problem you're so worried about?
The existing problem is we have a split reward system which pays masternodes a lot for doing nothing and investors very little for doing everything. (since they cover the cost of mining of the primary supply).

The existing problem is we have proven to be less competitive instead of more. Our 100% mining reward contemporaries have become way more valuable than we have over the same period of time.

Well, at least you finally, sort of, answered one of my many questions... that is according to you DASH has had this problem since pretty much the beginning when masternodes were invented.

Who is we? And how was this proven? Are you just concerned with the 100% mining coins? No need to compete with non-mineable coins (which are the majority)?

Do you consider yourself smarter than most others? How do you know DASH is not less competitive (your conclusion, one I don't share) because of some other trait, maybe not enough marketing directed at the right audiences? Maybe the delay for platform? Maybe Dash Labs? But maybe all that's just noise, and this is just a market cycle.

After being created in a bear market, DASH has gone thru exactly one bull market (a fluke according to you that it did so well) and has now suffered it's first bear market. It's showing every sign in technical analysis that it's fighting to enter its second bull market. Of course if it fails to break key resistances in price while other projects don't then I suppose you can claim it will go the way of PPC. Maybe you have a crystal ball?

And how does it not follow that all other coins that pay to stake/hold/delegate are not competitive either (Tezos, ATOM, etc, etc, soon Cardano and maybe one day ETH)?
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I always liked those community members wearing their Dash t-shirts and taking photos for promotions and publishing videos talking positively about Dash and I am referring to the non-English language videos. Those users from the South American and African countries never gave up and they never stopped being positive about Dash so full credit to them.


It is not just the Dash Core team that are an asset to the project, the various language based communities worldwide are doing much to spread the word and have Dash to a new level. Dash local community groups in some African nations and South American nations are very prolific.

The flashback video you linked is interesting even though it is over 3 years old, she seems to articulate her points very carefully and presents in a professional manner. It shows Dash is heading in the right direction when intelligent and well spoken people that can hold an audience are able to make interesting and entertaining videos about Dash and other crypto keeping it in the news.
DASH communities have been built gradually since 2018. Maybe many investors don't pay their attention on such slowly growth of DASH behind the scene. Maybe one of reasons come from crypto bearish market in the whole 2018 till early months of 2019.

I saw the community growth 2 days ago and it has not stopped up till now. Strong communities, in many nations, in many continents, prolific partnerships globally. The crypto market has jumped to its new period latest months and we will see DASH growths in price on market soon. LEND is very impressive example that how an altcoin can skyrocket at its right period.

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Are you just concerned with the 100% mining coins? No need to compete with non-mineable coins (which are the majority)?...And how does it not follow that all other coins that pay to stake/hold/delegate are not competitive either (Tezos, ATOM, etc, etc, soon Cardano and maybe one day ETH)?

Chains like ETH, XTZ et al are a world away from Dash in terms of market sector. They are designed from the ground up as services. They are not stores of value primarily. This is why archetypes are everything because crypto-assets are synthetic assets. You can't start off being gold, then decide to be a bit of a gold coin then say, "hey..those equities over there are getting a bit of love, we need some 'a that luv as well", then, "hey..we need to be a currency also !".

That is destructive and will end up creating a carbuncle out of what was originally a very promising archetype that Dash was following. This is why I said:

Sometimes I don't think Dash investors realise what they bought or how to protect it.

Dash has not a hope of competing with the non-mined chains on their own territory. Their token issuance is arbitrary for a start (as opposed to competitively mined). They can run rings round us on services - create entire stable coin platforms, host national GDP sized bond offerings, on and off-chain apps, you name it. Those chains are having utility priced in. They're valuable while they're useful and valueless when they become obsolete. As an archetype, more like a corporation than a precious metal. They are well suited for paying dividends because they're more like equity investments in that they can pay a return based on activity growth.

Dash is nothing like this. It inherits bitcoin's monetary model which is a digital commodity that's invested in for capital growth. You would not normally expect to receive a revenue from such an investment (because there's no service provision and no service cost for the holder). If you ain't got capital growth you got "nottin". The idea of the masternode revenue was to incentivise a high performance node network and make the capital asset more competitive (as a capital asset, not a service). Nor is currency an appropriate archetype for Dash other than in a barter sense because it's not a stable coin (if it was it wouldn't be worth investing in other than as a hedge).

For all these reasons, sacrificing mining reward for masternode reward amounts to cannibalising the capital. Like when a person starves and the body starts consuming its own organs to stay alive. Sounds a bit melo-dramatic but that's how I see it.

How do you know DASH is not less competitive (your conclusion, one I don't share) because of some other trait, maybe not enough marketing directed at the right audiences?

How very myopic if I may say so.

Were you here for the last 4 years ? Dash out-marketed everybody. What "marketing" does Litecoin do ? What does XMR do ? What do the bitcoin forks do ? None of them even had a marketing budget never mind a fully funded core group or army of decentralised marketing recruits while we have had budgets in the millions. Ben Swan alone was paid in 7-figure dollar sums. Merchants were plastered in Dash stickers and given POS terminals all across Venezuala for years. Amanda B. Johnson drew audiences from everywhere. We had Dashforce, eduction arms in Germany and we got listings on all major exchanges including Coinbase.

What those other coins DO have that we don't, however, is an efficient monetary protocol that rewards the stakeholders who bear the the network costs instead of the ones that don't.

Why look at indirect effects on competitiveness when you have a direct one staring you in the face ? Answer: cognitive dissonance and a blind tribal belief in the asset because that's what we're invested in. I've seen it in every single community from Blackcoin onwards. Even Cinnicoin was like this. Completely incapable of re-appraising what they were invested in any dispassionate way.

Unfortunately, the only meaningful appraisal in these matters can come from un-invested parties and I'm afraid those are even scarcer than a 100% mined crypto in this debate.

After being created in a bear market, DASH has gone thru exactly one bull market ...It's showing every sign in technical analysis that it's fighting to enter its second bull market.

Is it ? What I see is that it's showing every sign of a dead cat bounce. Buoyancy is about as robust as a lead balloon. We hit rock bottom, bounced a bit, and are now trundling along at a bitcoin ratio from early 2014 days. As far as investment performance is concerned, it's against bitcoin that matters. If bitcoin hits $200,000 one day do you think a masternode will be worth $1.4 million ? That's $9 million a WEEK in masternode revenues. Half a BILLION per year. How will you justify to markets maintaining a valuation that supports such a gargantuan revenue stream doing effectively nothing ?

Even if a masternode were to be worth $200,000 at that point (which will be nearly 3 x from here), that puts Dash price at only 0.001 BTC. A loss of over 80% from here. That is why competitiveness and ranking matter, because without them you'd be better off buying BTC unless you're using Dash to buy chicken nuggets.

IMO, Dash has no option but to stick hard with its original archetype which is to inherit as much of bitcoin's monetary model as possible while making it versatile and easy to use, otherwise it'll fall into the crack between stores of value and services and disappear out of the top 100.
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July 22, 2020, 11:16:36 AM

I am all intrigued now, please enlighten us and elaborate further  Grin

Maybe a little bit off topic, but lets do a little game : what do you guys think these cryptocurrencies have in common currently ?

https://cryptowat.ch/charts/HITBTC:DOGE-BTC?period=3d
https://cryptowat.ch/charts/HITBTC:LINK-BTC?period=1d
https://cryptowat.ch/charts/HITBTC:VET-BTC?period=3d
https://cryptowat.ch/charts/HITBTC:XLM-BTC?period=3d
https://cryptowat.ch/charts/HITBTC:XTZ-BTC?period=3d

Lets also include a snapshot, as this little game of mine could take awhile to finish and will require some patience.





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