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September 05, 2014, 02:51:32 PM
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Actually, I was wondering about using BTC via your mobile device and or computer in a [coffee] shop vs. DRK

It strikes me that DRK is 100,000x better for mobile devices than BTC

You're right - it doesn't matter what connection you use, BTC is traceable, DRK via DS+ isn't. You can still be pinpointed in spacetime, but nobody can prove what you were up to transactionally. Assuming you cover your phone screen and nobody nearby is Van Eck phreaking you with a portable SQUID.

Ideally, you'd just send a coded txt message to a hot brunette in Panama who's forever indebted to you because you once saved her entire village from a plague of zombie alien tentacle-horrors, and she'd do the Darksend for you with dumped privkeys written in rapidly fading ink sent via burner carrier-buzzards. Or something. Don't forget to wear a pretty gingham frock and a good wig.

Or just wait a few weeks for DarkTransit. Wink
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September 05, 2014, 02:52:01 PM
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So perhaps the mobile wallets should be forgotten about.

Why?

There is no such thing as perfect security, just varying degrees of insecurity and associated inconvenience. If you're really wanted by the powers that be, it doesn't matter, they'll just bundle you into a black van and you'll never be seen again. For the rest of us, reasonable precautions will keep you reasonably safe.

I think the developers have at least some responsiblity making the app as secure as possible or establishing some best practices guidelines. If not, the niche in the market for a mobile wallet for cryptocoin investors who are privacy advocates and also I.T. security experts might be too small to warrant the time and effort developing it.
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September 05, 2014, 02:54:43 PM
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I'd love to have in-wallet messaging. No reason not to have this and I'm sure this is something easy to implement, especially with other coins already having messaging/chat features.

+1.

It would be like sending messages to a darkcoin address. Both anonymous (so that you don't know who sent the message, and can't answer) but also not anonymous (so that the senders address is known to you, but only you, so that a private conversation can take place).

It will not be possible to answer an anonymous message, because that would compromise the whole darksend anonymization process. (or could there be a way?)

Ofcourse sending a message should cost a small amount of DRK, maybe 0.01 or something, so that eventual SPAM could be limited...

Question is if messages are embedded in the blockchain or simply being broadcast by masternodes and probably saved and managed in the users wallet.dat?

Your thoughts evan?

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September 05, 2014, 02:59:05 PM
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I'd love to have in-wallet messaging. No reason not to have this and I'm sure this is something easy to implement, especially with other coins already having messaging/chat features.

I think 1) ip obfuscation is first, 2) any service will be based on ip obfuscation + Masternodes.


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September 05, 2014, 02:59:09 PM
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Idiot-proofing only breeds bigger idiots.

There is no substitute for personal responsibility.

Why are we still having these sorts of discussions? The stupid and lazy will always whine.

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September 05, 2014, 03:02:44 PM
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Why are we still having these sorts of discussions? The stupid and lazy will always whine.

Because we live in a nanny-state, where people are taught not to think for themselves, to learn helplessness and always ask "who is in charge?" ... "who do I have to ask for permission?"

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September 05, 2014, 03:06:39 PM
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I'd love to have in-wallet messaging. No reason not to have this and I'm sure this is something easy to implement, especially with other coins already having messaging/chat features.

I think 1) ip obfuscation is first, 2) any service will be based on ip obfuscation + Masternodes.




Hi chaeplin,
 
  That sounds really great, thanks for the input.

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September 05, 2014, 03:19:53 PM
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What does "nearly total anonymity" mean? Did the audit go ok and you are anonymous now?

"the destruction of privacy widens the existing power imbalance between the ruling factions and everyone else" -- Julian Assange
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September 05, 2014, 03:24:58 PM
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Why are we still having these sorts of discussions? The stupid and lazy will always whine.
Because we live in a nanny-state, where people are taught not to think for themselves, to learn helplessness and always ask "who is in charge?" ... "who do I have to ask for permission?"
This seems like something worse. The expectation that everything be done for them with obtuse, broad questions, which presume an oversimplified blanket reality, and cannot possibly be answered.

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September 05, 2014, 03:25:54 PM
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Idiot-proofing only breeds bigger idiots.

There is no substitute for personal responsibility.

Why are we still having these sorts of discussions? The stupid and lazy will always whine.

This is all a bit Déjà vu.

You need stupid people to make money from them.


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September 05, 2014, 03:32:35 PM
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Idiot-proofing only breeds bigger idiots.

There is no substitute for personal responsibility.

Why are we still having these sorts of discussions? The stupid and lazy will always whine.

A mobile device a totally different beast to a PC. I have run exclusively linux-based OSs for almost a decade now and can be fairly confident that any system I install is clean upon installation. To do the same on a mobile device I don't think there is any way other than by voiding your warranty. Iphone - no. Windows Phone - no. Android - no.  Although Android is open source all manufacturers and some operators install their own skins on  devices, and come with GApps installed, which are not open source. Of course being open source does not guarantee it is 100% secure, nor is closed source a sure sign of malintent, but I just want to illustrate that we are not dealing with PCs here, where more control is possible. An unofficial app can shun all responsibility but an official app probably doesn't have that luxury.
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September 05, 2014, 03:32:55 PM
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I'd love to have in-wallet messaging. No reason not to have this and I'm sure this is something easy to implement, especially with other coins already having messaging/chat features.

+1.

It would be like sending messages to a darkcoin address. Both anonymous (so that you don't know who sent the message, and can't answer) but also not anonymous (so that the senders address is known to you, but only you, so that a private conversation can take place).

It will not be possible to answer an anonymous message, because that would compromise the whole darksend anonymization process. (or could there be a way?)

Ofcourse sending a message should cost a small amount of DRK, maybe 0.01 or something, so that eventual SPAM could be limited...

Question is if messages are embedded in the blockchain or simply being broadcast by masternodes and probably saved and managed in the users wallet.dat?

Your thoughts evan?

In wallet communication would be necessary for people to one day adopt an approach of : I can do the whole transaction through Darkcoin using only Darkcoin from anywhere in the world without risk, from A to Z...

If you eliminate risk so the only risk to a financial transaction anywhere in the world becomes the user not following the procedure(making backups, no risk of getting compromised by hackers, no risk of getting tracked by bad actors, no risk of having all your financial activities on a public ledger fro competitors to analyze, etc) If this is what is desired... hahaha, it will be a revolutionary new marketable product and potentially the paradigm shift.

What I would suggest is instead of charging per message, you create a membership system, possibly managed by the Darkcoin foundation, possibly you could download a choice of different client versions. Some clients could cost an amount to pay for a year's membership like anti-virus software and include the different messaging services, etc, maybe eventually video conference calls, etc.... Some could be basic and free and have only a very limited basic service. So the Darkcoin foundation could become a multi level self sustainable organization that would immensely benefit society if not only anonymity seekers by helping to increase productivity on a never before seen scale, and... and then the Darkcoin foundation could take these monthly procedes and distribute them to masternode operators every month and do advertisement and do charity stuff, and do.....

I know I wasn't supposed to do any more idea play today, lol. Have a great day everyone.











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September 05, 2014, 03:39:19 PM
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What I would suggest is instead of charging per message, you create a membership system

Membership implies record-keeping, so no. Keep it volatile, and therefore untraceable.
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September 05, 2014, 03:39:55 PM
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Idiot-proofing only breeds bigger idiots.

There is no substitute for personal responsibility.

Why are we still having these sorts of discussions? The stupid and lazy will always whine.
A mobile device a totally different beast to a PC. I have run exclusively linux-based OSs for almost a decade now and can be fairly confident that any system I install is clean upon installation. To do the same on a mobile device I don't think there is any way other than by voiding your warranty. Iphone - no. Windows Phone - no. Android - no.  Although Android is open source all manufacturers and some operators install their own skins on  devices, and come with GApps installed, which are not open source. Of course being open source does not guarantee it is 100% secure, nor is closed source a sure sign of malintent, but I just want to illustrate that we are not dealing with PCs here, where more control is possible. An unofficial app can shun all responsibility but an official app probably doesn't have that luxury.
I'm quite aware of these points.

My point is that, if you pay a company to make closed-source software that is known to have tons of major flaws and backdoors, there's no answer to the "make it safe for me yet?" question. There's no way to ever really know, and the inquiring party makes clear that they are utterly unable to determine anything for themselves, much less do anything about it. The party asking is a danger to themselves through their refusal to learn even the most basic of things.

They act like it's a toaster and wonder why a "plain answer" isn't available to them. They're far too detached from reality to help. It's up to them to step up and learn at least a little something about the topic before anyone can help them.

The inordinately stupid will sabotage themselves and then blame everything except themselves.

About the best you can do for preventing wallet theft in such an environment is random directory name, random wallet file name, encrypted config file that stores that data... But even then, when active and memory-resident, malware written to target it will likely sort it out. All mobile devices are backdoored like swiss cheese, no better than MacOS and Windows. All the "automatic do it for you" crap requires backdoors. Stupid people demand a complete absence of security to have everything done for them by others instead of taking responsibility.

It's like people who have AAA in case of a flat tire. Seriously? You're too fucking stupid and lazy to change a flat tire? I have AAA because I know all ICE cars are engineered failures. I know there are some things that you can't fix on the side of the road. But a flat tire? Come on... Pathetic.

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September 05, 2014, 03:42:35 PM
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i want darkroad

altcoincasinogulagshoppingshow FUD is good, look @altcoin prices ...
pls fud me hard via pm
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September 05, 2014, 03:45:16 PM
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For those that have not experienced the new RC5 client, here is a screenshot with brief explanation:



Used your image, thanks  Cool

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=761561.msg8685301#msg8685301

Whose up for recording their screen session with some commentary and posting something on YouTube?

Free screen recording software:

http://camstudio.org/

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A mobile device a totally different beast to a PC. I have run exclusively linux-based OSs for almost a decade now and can be fairly confident that any system I install is clean upon installation. To do the same on a mobile device I don't think there is any way other than by voiding your warranty. Iphone - no. Windows Phone - no. Android - no.  Although Android is open source all manufacturers and some operators install their own skins on  devices, and come with GApps installed, which are not open source. Of course being open source does not guarantee it is 100% secure, nor is closed source a sure sign of malintent, but I just want to illustrate that we are not dealing with PCs here, where more control is possible. An unofficial app can shun all responsibility but an official app probably doesn't have that luxury.

As I said, it's about finding a compromise that you individually are happy with - degree of insecurity vs hassle. You can stuff linux onto an android phone if you really want to, but you're still using closed source hardware to run the whole shebang on...

There isn't a one-stop shop or one-click solution to keeping you safe from MI6/Mossad/NSA, whoever. But you can certainly escape your greedy ex...  Grin
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i want darkroad


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499012.msg5493070#msg5493070

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A mobile device a totally different beast to a PC. I have run exclusively linux-based OSs for almost a decade now and can be fairly confident that any system I install is clean upon installation. To do the same on a mobile device I don't think there is any way other than by voiding your warranty. Iphone - no. Windows Phone - no. Android - no.  Although Android is open source all manufacturers and some operators install their own skins on  devices, and come with GApps installed, which are not open source. Of course being open source does not guarantee it is 100% secure, nor is closed source a sure sign of malintent, but I just want to illustrate that we are not dealing with PCs here, where more control is possible. An unofficial app can shun all responsibility but an official app probably doesn't have that luxury.
As I said, it's about finding a compromise that you individually are happy with - degree of insecurity vs hassle. You can stuff linux onto an android phone if you really want to, but you're still using closed source hardware to run the whole shebang on...

There isn't a one-stop shop or one-click solution to keeping you safe from MI6/Mossad/NSA, whoever. But you can certainly escape your greedy ex...  Grin
Remote BIOS flash that roots you like a bare-metal IPMI. Or better yet, when you buy it from NewEgg, the install it before you even get the motherboard/laptop...

Paranoid?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/29/report-nsa-intercepting-laptops-ordered-online-installing-spyware/

This is why I buy retail, and usually when I'm out of town. I can't be targeted by my shipping address.

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Ideally, you'd just send a coded txt message to a hot brunette in Panama who's forever indebted to you because you once saved her entire village from a plague of zombie alien tentacle-horrors, and she'd do the Darksend for you with dumped privkeys written in rapidly fading ink sent via burner carrier-buzzards. Or something. Don't forget to wear a pretty gingham frock and a good wig.

Hahahahahahaha  - and I was still cracking up about CroutonNetTM
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