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September 13, 2014, 04:26:32 PM
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My portfolio holdings in Darkcoin have lost over 50% value. Looks like I've made a bad investment decision in Darkcoin.

same can be said for altcoins in general. A lot of altcoins were hit hard when Bitcoin took a nosedive a few weeks ago.
I have still hope that with the nearby opensourcing of Darkcoin and launching a marketing campaign will make it go upwards again, maybe more slowly or maybe rapidly.

edit : we have just started to climb out of a very big hole... but we are rising again.


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September 13, 2014, 04:35:02 PM
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My portfolio holdings in Darkcoin have lost over 50% value. Looks like I've made a bad investment decision in Darkcoin.

it's maybe too late for advice, but I would always spread an investment over different coins (this includes bitcoin), and also not buy everything in one day, but accumulating over many weeks and months.

This way you get a good average price.

I have been buying DRK since april, and I continue to buy. My average price must be around 1-2$ now, although I also bought some DRK during the all time high.

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September 13, 2014, 05:01:40 PM
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hi drk crew - long time lurker/hodler here.

not sure about DarkMix...how about:

You DarkBlend your eCash then you DarkSend your eCash!

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September 13, 2014, 05:07:32 PM
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hi drk crew - long time lurker/hodler here.

not sure about DarkMix...how about:

You DarkBlend your eCash then you DarkSend your eCash!

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The name's not up for proposal. It's Darksend.
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September 13, 2014, 05:09:31 PM
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hi drk crew - long time lurker/hodler here.

not sure about DarkMix...how about:

You DarkBlend your eCash then you DarkSend your eCash!

Smiley

The name's not up for proposal. It's Darksend.

I didn't say change the name, I just came up with a mildly amusing slogan to pass the time on a Saturday evening.

Hope you're having a good day Smiley
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September 13, 2014, 05:10:41 PM
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hi drk crew - long time lurker/hodler here.

not sure about DarkMix...how about:

You DarkBlend your eCash then you DarkSend your eCash!

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The name's not up for proposal. It's Darksend.

And hope it will stay like that.
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September 13, 2014, 05:13:12 PM
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hi drk crew - long time lurker/hodler here.

not sure about DarkMix...how about:

You DarkBlend your eCash then you DarkSend your eCash!

Smiley

The name's not up for proposal. It's Darksend.

Yes! The only thing I think is worth discussing is if we get rid of the +

I think we should. It was added to differentiate from a completely different previous design. But the truth is nobody knew before about Darksend, I think it is not necessary.
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September 13, 2014, 05:16:11 PM
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hi drk crew - long time lurker/hodler here.

not sure about DarkMix...how about:

You DarkBlend your eCash then you DarkSend your eCash!

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The name's not up for proposal. It's Darksend.

But what if I want to DubMix to help the network of other mix masters, but I never actually send anything?

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September 13, 2014, 05:17:46 PM
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It is a brand name and the name is Darksend period.
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September 13, 2014, 05:24:09 PM
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Hey guys, I haven't opened my wallet in probably 4 months so my wallet is way out of date. Is there anything special I need to do? Or do I just download the newest wallet, open it and let it sync, close it and then replace the wallet.dat it creates with my backup wallet.dat?

Go into %appdata% and change the name of your old wallet.dat file to something like OLDwallet.dat

Delete peers and darkcoin.conf

Open new Wallet and allow it to create new wallet.dat file.
Allow it to sync
Create a new RECEIVE ADDY and right click copy the addy

Close the wallet
back into %appdata% and rename the wallet.dat file to NEWwallet.dat
rename OLDwallet.dat back to wallet.dat

Open the old wallet client and send all your coins to the newly created addy from above.
Once you send all coins close the wallet out.

back into %appdata% rename wallet.dat to OLDwaallet.dat
rename NEWwallet.dat to wallet.dat

open new version of darkcoin - you should be good at this point...

Thanks for the help! Just for clarification, I was planning on just downloading the wallet from darkcoin.io and I have my backup wallet.dat on an external hdd.
So I should...
1. Delete peers and darkcoin.conf
2. Open new wallet and let it sync
3. Create a new address
4. Close the wallet and name the new wallet NEWwallet and change the backup wallet back to wallet.dat
5. Send coins to the new address and close wallet
6. Change wallet.dat to OLDwallet.dat and NEWwallet.dat to wallet.dat
7. Open new wallet and hope coins get in

Anything wrong with that? Also, what should I do if my old wallet won't sync? Thanks for your help guys.

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September 13, 2014, 05:28:29 PM
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Hey guys, I haven't opened my wallet in probably 4 months so my wallet is way out of date. Is there anything special I need to do? Or do I just download the newest wallet, open it and let it sync, close it and then replace the wallet.dat it creates with my backup wallet.dat?

Go into %appdata% and change the name of your old wallet.dat file to something like OLDwallet.dat

Delete peers and darkcoin.conf

Open new Wallet and allow it to create new wallet.dat file.
Allow it to sync
Create a new RECEIVE ADDY and right click copy the addy

Close the wallet
back into %appdata% and rename the wallet.dat file to NEWwallet.dat
rename OLDwallet.dat back to wallet.dat

Open the old wallet client and send all your coins to the newly created addy from above.
Once you send all coins close the wallet out.

back into %appdata% rename wallet.dat to OLDwaallet.dat
rename NEWwallet.dat to wallet.dat

open new version of darkcoin - you should be good at this point...

Thanks for the help! Just for clarification, I was planning on just downloading the wallet from darkcoin.io and I have my backup wallet.dat on an external hdd.
So I should...
1. Delete peers and darkcoin.conf
2. Open new wallet and let it sync
3. Create a new address
4. Close the wallet and name the new wallet NEWwallet and change the backup wallet back to wallet.dat
5. Send coins to the new address and close wallet
6. Change wallet.dat to OLDwallet.dat and NEWwallet.dat to wallet.dat
7. Open new wallet and hope coins get in

Anything wrong with that? Also, what should I do if my old wallet won't sync? Thanks for your help guys.

I dont think you really have to change wallets, you can keep your old one as well, but just don't forget to back it up before you try anything, keep more than one backup just in case.
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September 13, 2014, 05:30:29 PM
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It is a brand name and the name is Darksend period.

There is no 'period' in brand development. Any successful brand must be prepared to re-position or re-invent to maintain it's success.

Arguably, DarkCoin isn't a successful brand yet, more an emerging brand that has serious room for improvement - or indeed a complete re-working.

IMO the brand and brand assets are not great presently, but the product is excellent.

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September 13, 2014, 05:33:16 PM
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Darksend helps you send money anonymously how the internal process happens is not that relevant to the general public.
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It IS important because it misleads people about how it works, and they wonder why they have to do all this crap and watch a status bar, etc.

Calling it DarkSend leads people to think they just fire up the client and magic anon start sending.

But it does not at all work like that.

The name no longer describes it. Worse, it misleads the nob into expecting very different operation than must be performed.

No, I will not just "drop it" because it fucking matters. Especially among all you promoters of "mass adoption, make it easy for stupid people, the noobs can't use it so my price no go moon!"

If cars were called flying machines, people would wonder what the fuck is wrong with the person who named it that after they figured out that it doesn't do anything at all what the name says... Calling it "DarkSend:"

1) Misrepresents it in a confusing way
2) Leaves those who figure it out wondering what kind of lying dunce came up with that name...

Making it hard to figure out by misrepresenting it, and then looking like an idiot and a liar if/when they do figure it out... Yeah, way to inspire confidence and incite mass adoption... Brilliant.

Being arrogant and stubborn in the face of your very own technological advancements looks pretty bad, too...

A Brand has to evolve with the tech it represents. Intel doesn't call their processors 386 anymore; because they're not 386s anymore. DarkSend isn't DarkSend anymore, it's not even DarkSend+ anymore, it's way, way beyond that to such an extreme that the function and operation are not even remotely close to what it used to be. The difference is so massive that the old name has become deceptive and counter-intuitive. So, the name needs to grow up to represent that fact.

Need to step back and see this from the noob perspective. Branding of any kind if for noob idiots, know your audience. If you're going to stoop to the level of branding and marketing, at least get it right... Your name has to be, in some way, descriptive of the function. At the moment, It is not only failing to do that, but is, in fact, contrary to function. It is confusing. Even worse, once the confusion passes (if it passes), it makes the whole project look sketchy by forcing the user to wonder WTF is going on with the lies and stupidity... This does not inspire confidence or promote adoption, quite the opposite.

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September 13, 2014, 05:59:15 PM
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Darksend helps you send money anonymously how the internal process happens is not that relevant to the general public.
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It IS important because it misleads people about how it works, and they wonder why they have to do all this crap and watch a status bar, etc.

Calling it DarkSend leads people to think they just fire up the client and magic anon start sending.

But it does not at all work like that.

The name no longer describes it. Worse, it misleads the nob into expecting very different operation than must be performed.

No, I will not just "drop it" because it fucking matters. Especially among all you promoters of "mass adoption, make it easy for stupid people, the noobs can't use it so my price no go moon!"

If cars were called flying machines, people would wonder what the fuck is wrong with the person who named it that after they figured out that it doesn't do anything at all what the name says... Calling it "DarkSend:"

1) Misrepresents it in a confusing way
2) Leaves those who figure it out wondering what kind of lying dunce came up with that name...

Making it hard to figure out by misrepresenting it, and then looking like an idiot and a liar if/when they do figure it out... Yeah, way to inspire confidence and incite mass adoption... Brilliant.

Being arrogant and stubborn in the face of your very own technological advancements looks pretty bad, too...

A Brand has to evolve with the tech it represents. Intel doesn't call their processors 386 anymore; because they're not 386s anymore. DarkSend isn't DarkSend anymore, it's not even DarkSend+ anymore, it's way, way beyond that to such an extreme that the function and operation are not even remotely close to what it used to be. The difference is so massive that the old name has become deceptive and counter-intuitive. So, the name needs to grow up to represent that fact.

Need to step back and see this from the noob perspective. Branding of any kind if for noob idiots, know your audience. If you're going to stoop to the level of branding and marketing, at least get it right... Your name has to be, in some way, descriptive of the function. At the moment, It is not only failing to do that, but is, in fact, contrary to function. It is confusing. Even worse, once the confusion passes (if it passes), it makes the whole project look sketchy by forcing the user to wonder WTF is going on with the lies and stupidity... This does not inspire confidence or promote adoption, quite the opposite.

Camo... it is Darksend for 90% of us including dev so leave it. Darksend sounds logical as it "fogs" the blockchain.
The late adopters will care about the end result not about how exactly it is being mixed or stirred. And the end result is fog.
Darksend it is.
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September 13, 2014, 06:06:51 PM
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Darksend helps you send money anonymously how the internal process happens is not that relevant to the general public.
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It IS important because it misleads people about how it works, and they wonder why they have to do all this crap and watch a status bar, etc.

Calling it DarkSend leads people to think they just fire up the client and magic anon start sending.

But it does not at all work like that.

The name no longer describes it. Worse, it misleads the nob into expecting very different operation than must be performed.

No, I will not just "drop it" because it fucking matters. Especially among all you promoters of "mass adoption, make it easy for stupid people, the noobs can't use it so my price no go moon!"

If cars were called flying machines, people would wonder what the fuck is wrong with the person who named it that after they figured out that it doesn't do anything at all what the name says... Calling it "DarkSend:"

1) Misrepresents it in a confusing way
2) Leaves those who figure it out wondering what kind of lying dunce came up with that name...

Making it hard to figure out by misrepresenting it, and then looking like an idiot and a liar if/when they do figure it out... Yeah, way to inspire confidence and incite mass adoption... Brilliant.

Being arrogant and stubborn in the face of your very own technological advancements looks pretty bad, too...

A Brand has to evolve with the tech it represents. Intel doesn't call their processors 386 anymore; because they're not 386s anymore. DarkSend isn't DarkSend anymore, it's not even DarkSend+ anymore, it's way, way beyond that to such an extreme that the function and operation are not even remotely close to what it used to be. The difference is so massive that the old name has become deceptive and counter-intuitive. So, the name needs to grow up to represent that fact.

Need to step back and see this from the noob perspective. Branding of any kind if for noob idiots, know your audience. If you're going to stoop to the level of branding and marketing, at least get it right... Your name has to be, in some way, descriptive of the function. At the moment, It is not only failing to do that, but is, in fact, contrary to function. It is confusing. Even worse, once the confusion passes (if it passes), it makes the whole project look sketchy by forcing the user to wonder WTF is going on with the lies and stupidity... This does not inspire confidence or promote adoption, quite the opposite.

A brand name doesn't have to explain anything about the process that's not its goal, it could have been "Moonlight" instead of "Darksend".
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September 13, 2014, 06:28:03 PM
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Guys, I brought up the issue of branding Darksend for the reasons I outlined in this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg8742183#msg8742183

I stand by my reasoning (as Camo and Coins101 agree with), I even submitted a proposal to jira to convey my concerns.

However, this idea did not gain any traction and was rejected by Evan. I accepted this and have continued to contribute to the project on DCT and jira..

I spoke and the feedback was negative, so let's move on.

Like someone else said, "Darksend+" it is, so let's get on the same page.

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September 13, 2014, 06:35:22 PM
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I close the matter by stating; this will be a major stumbling block moving forward. Failure to address it now only means hearing me say "toljaso" later.

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September 13, 2014, 06:37:39 PM
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I close the matter by stating; this will be a major stumbling block moving forward. Failure to address it now only means hearing me say "toljaso" later.

I think the entire brand is a stumbling block and should be re-worked, professionally - to the same standard as the code.



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I close the matter by stating; this will be a major stumbling block moving forward. Failure to address it now only means hearing me say "toljaso" later.

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September 13, 2014, 06:45:38 PM
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Darksend, Darks'end... what's in a name anyway?

So many extremely valuable names have ridiculous meanings if you look at it more closely... microsoft, micro and soft, really? This is the mother of all jokes.
But who cares, a name's job is first of all to stick in the mind of the person and be unique, and not to carry explanatory meaning.

Or else my name wouldn't be georgem but HeWhoCreatesGifs...

so what's this all about? Do we have to name things like the native americans now?

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