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[UdjinM6]

It looks like everyone wants their 15min of fame.  

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"Come Up with our own features"
https://github.com/SDCDev/shadowcoin/commit/94bfb03903d5fadfc7e975fa0ace749187279703
"Showing  62 changed files  with 16,230 additions and 4,950 deletions."


A real competitor for DRK is born  

(Competition is a good thing, even if Evan idea was more to absorb SDC Devs)

First of all - you are in the wrong thread.
Second - I wouldn't be that optimistic about these numbers. I read through this briefly: 95+% of changes there are 1) automatic code cleanup made by IDE and 2) a copy-paste of updated bitcoin code. The meaningful part is hard to derive from that mess.

You didn't read at all i would say . The majority is anon with ringsig & bloom filters, and Thin mode. Just search keywords "Ringsig", "Bloom", "Thin", ... you may be able to do that, i've seen your post history. Sure DRK updates were easier to read, but it's not that difficult for a coder

The only thing right in your sentences, is that it's not the good thread  

You are wrong. I'm not saying that there is no meaningful code. Read my answer again, I saw all these parts too. However...
- Ring Signatures is not an innovation https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CryptoNote
- https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/bloom.cpp
- "thin mode" is something to verify that node has blocks in history, not sure why you need this at all. not interested.
Let's stop this discussion. Better buy some DRK.  

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[tungfa]

It looks like everyone wants their 15min of fame.  

Sorry guys
but WHY do you have this discussion

the guy has 7 posts to his history !!
And he "spend" all 7 here
so relax
IGNORE
and lets move on
Tx ....>>>
 

[raico]

It looks like everyone wants their 15min of fame.  

....

"Come Up with our own features"
https://github.com/SDCDev/shadowcoin/commit/94bfb03903d5fadfc7e975fa0ace749187279703
"Showing  62 changed files  with 16,230 additions and 4,950 deletions."


A real competitor for DRK is born  

(Competition is a good thing, even if Evan idea was more to absorb SDC Devs)

First of all - you are in the wrong thread.
Second - I wouldn't be that optimistic about these numbers. I read through this briefly: 95+% of changes there are 1) automatic code cleanup made by IDE and 2) a copy-paste of updated bitcoin code. The meaningful part is hard to derive from that mess.

You didn't read at all i would say . The majority is anon with ringsig & bloom filters, and Thin mode. Just search keywords "Ringsig", "Bloom", "Thin", ... you may be able to do that, i've seen your post history. Sure DRK updates were easier to read, but it's not that difficult for a coder

The only thing right in your sentences, is that it's not the good thread  

You are wrong. I'm not saying that there is no meaningful code. Read my answer again, I saw all these parts too. However...
- Ring Signatures is not an innovation https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CryptoNote
- https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/bloom.cpp
- "thin mode" is something to verify that node has blocks in history, not sure why you need this at all. not interested.
Let's stop this discussion. Better buy some DRK.  

Hey, UdjinM6, Don't you think you could spend your time on more valuable place? like coding, creating or enjoy your life leisurely?

[raico]

It looks like everyone wants their 15min of fame. 

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First of all - you are in the wrong thread.
Second - I wouldn't be that optimistic about these numbers. I read through this briefly: 95+% of changes there are 1) automatic code cleanup made by IDE and 2) a copy-paste of updated bitcoin code. The meaningful part is hard to derive from that mess.

Yep~ I suddenly realize that i've seen any other crypto currency come here to advertise itself for a long time. There were even some competitors which had their own white paper~ But, where are they now? The only thing that never change all the way is WE Survive and our community become more stronger, more talent people join in our Great Dev-team, and continuing merchant/service adoption.
The most important is: After several major innovation, The Darkcoin Project is closest to perfection.

We are going to make the InstantX become a reality

What excites me is the new year possibilities and what is comming:

• rewrite of the code,

• InstantX comming reality,

• new features?

• new wallet interface (lot of work was done already),

• OpenBazar integration,

• decrease of the coins in general,

• bugs squashed,

• growing dev team,

• growing community,

• growing acceptance of darkcoin and...

...growing... add what you want you pervers

We will start new year with new posture.

That's right~ It also makes people feel exciting that no matter how the circumstance is in the crypto currency world. You can always find the keywords like possibility, good idea, creation, stronger, new feature, bug squashed, more adoption and INNOVATION. which is not re-invent the wheel.

[Lukas_Jackson]

[UdjinM6]

..... Better buy some DRK.  

Hey, UdjinM6, Don't you think you could spend your time on more valuable place? like coding, creating or enjoy your life leisurely?

Roger that!

[avw1982]

Anybody got any suggestions on what is causing the general crypto slump today?

Slump? What slump?
http://www.ripplecharts.com/#/markets

DRK losing 10% on the dollar was one thing that grabbed my attention.

http://www.bfxdata.com/

Link is dead.

[slapper]

So the same bad actors are still at it when it comes to advertising for other coins in DRK thread. Some of these are serial conniving cunts and they will not change ( remember the XC days ?)

Spread Coin dev seems like he has some capabilities but is behaving slightly retarded, but you can't blame him as he wants money flowing into his coin. This is all going to go the exact same route as all the other faggots who have come to DRK thread over the last few months and bit the dust. Just watch. XC, shadow, super and the list is endless.

What exactly does the coin have anyways? Is it open source? Why can't the feature get copied in DRK making your spam/shit coin obsolete?

[illodin]

Easy tiger. More devs using the DRK codebase can be nothing but a good thing.

[oblox]

Spread's dev corrupted/lost his 80k wallet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715435.msg8599670#msg8599670) and was going to relaunch the coin but received about 60k (if not more) from about 4-5 other holders to continue working (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715435.msg8620397#msg8620397). I'd wager at least half the coins out there are held by a few holders, no different than the initial Darkcoin instamine so it's not really an argument--the difference is that there has been enough stagnant price action of periods of months where the majority of the instamine was churned whereas I haven't seen the volume indicating that the majority of Spreadcoin's coins have been sold at market.

By all means, if you want to invest in a clone, knock yourself out. Any viable features fixed or implemented into Spread would be pulled and merged into Dark (not a bad thing). Having said that, lets keep the focus of this thread on Darkcoin and anyone wanting to discuss Spread to go to their respective thread. Should Mr. Spread find any more potential vulnerabilities, the smartest thing to do is contact Evan directly. I'm certain credit will be given where credit is due.

[slapper]

Easy tiger. More devs using the DRK codebase can be nothing but a good thing.

Not you illodin 

[Minotaur26]

Spread's dev corrupted/lost his 80k wallet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715435.msg8599670#msg8599670) and was going to relaunch the coin but received about 60k (if not more) from about 4-5 other holders to continue working (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715435.msg8620397#msg8620397). I'd wager at least half the coins out there are held by a few holders, no different than the initial Darkcoin instamine so it's not really an argument--the difference is that there has been enough stagnant price action of periods of months where the majority of the instamine was churned whereas I haven't seen the volume indicating that the majority of Spreadcoin's coins have been sold at market.

By all means, if you want to invest in a clone, knock yourself out. Any viable features fixed or implemented into Spread would be pulled and merged into Dark (not a bad thing). Having said that, lets keep the focus of this thread on Darkcoin and anyone wanting to discuss Spread to go to their respective thread. Should Mr. Spread find any more potential vulnerabilities, the smartest thing to do is contact Evan directly. I'm certain credit will be given where credit is due.

Great post. The difference with DRK is that it was a first mover and nobody knew where it could go. Anon was not a market segment at all yet, thus people had no particular reason to believe it was going to be big and they sold coins in a really natural way that allowed for distribution. We also had some events early on, like the ccex hack, where the hacker dumped thousands of coins in poloniex.  These were all natural occurrences, almost all of these me too projects, maybe with the exception of XMR, lack a natural distribution,after DRK everybody was looking for the next train so these "anon" coins get accumulated by a few people but never sold. This is really counterproductive as they end up in the hands of only a few, without a large distribution you cant create a market. Best example is XC which is now 10 guys in a private thread, I guess they can sell the coins to each other.

In summary, first movers like DRK are natural occurrences, you cant replicate all the random factors that lead them to succeed. Specially if people are expecting clones to succeed from the very beginning and just hoard, I for one wont be buying their bags and making them happy they can keep all their coins to themselves.  The moral of the story is invest in first movers, they have a way better chance of continued success. For example, BTC and DRK.

[MyFarm]

Spread's dev corrupted/lost his 80k wallet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715435.msg8599670#msg8599670) and was going to relaunch the coin but received about 60k (if not more) from about 4-5 other holders to continue working (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715435.msg8620397#msg8620397). I'd wager at least half the coins out there are held by a few holders, no different than the initial Darkcoin instamine so it's not really an argument--the difference is that there has been enough stagnant price action of periods of months where the majority of the instamine was churned whereas I haven't seen the volume indicating that the majority of Spreadcoin's coins have been sold at market.

By all means, if you want to invest in a clone, knock yourself out. Any viable features fixed or implemented into Spread would be pulled and merged into Dark (not a bad thing). Having said that, lets keep the focus of this thread on Darkcoin and anyone wanting to discuss Spread to go to their respective thread. Should Mr. Spread find any more potential vulnerabilities, the smartest thing to do is contact Evan directly. I'm certain credit will be given where credit is due.

I absolutely love Darkcoin.  I have from the near beginning.  We all know Evan is an amazing developer and that anonymity is a needed solution in the world we live in.  I caution everyone to not take "clones" with excellent developers for granted though.  The last thing I want is for my investment in DRK to turn into an investment in MySpace while Facebook starts up a few threads over.

In the world of crytocurrency, we must remain nimble. 

[oblox]

Spread's dev corrupted/lost his 80k wallet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715435.msg8599670#msg8599670) and was going to relaunch the coin but received about 60k (if not more) from about 4-5 other holders to continue working (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715435.msg8620397#msg8620397). I'd wager at least half the coins out there are held by a few holders, no different than the initial Darkcoin instamine so it's not really an argument--the difference is that there has been enough stagnant price action of periods of months where the majority of the instamine was churned whereas I haven't seen the volume indicating that the majority of Spreadcoin's coins have been sold at market.

By all means, if you want to invest in a clone, knock yourself out. Any viable features fixed or implemented into Spread would be pulled and merged into Dark (not a bad thing). Having said that, lets keep the focus of this thread on Darkcoin and anyone wanting to discuss Spread to go to their respective thread. Should Mr. Spread find any more potential vulnerabilities, the smartest thing to do is contact Evan directly. I'm certain credit will be given where credit is due.

I absolutely love Darkcoin.  I have from the near beginning.  We all know Evan is an amazing developer and that anonymity is a needed solution in the world we live in.  I caution everyone to not take "clones" with excellent developers for granted though.  The last thing I want is for my investment in DRK to turn into an investment in MySpace while Facebook starts up a few threads over.

In the world of crytocurrency, we must remain nimble. 

The difference is that with open source, any fixes or innovations made to the Darkcoin codebase, can be implemented into Darkcoin--so comparing MySpace to Facebook isn't a fair comparison. Further, you have a bit of one-sided distribution and lack of market volume. Yes, that certainly could change, but any position in, is that much harder to get out of should things go the other way. I'm all for competent devs working with (and on) Darkcoin's codebase. What I am against is the ongoing marketing pitch in this thread and the arrogance that some of the holders have over there.

Can we please stay on topic?

[strix]

..... Better buy some DRK.  

Hey, UdjinM6, Don't you think you could spend your time on more valuable place? like coding, creating or enjoy your life leisurely?

Roger that!

UdjinM6, I for one appreciate your spending a little time responding to these issues (spurious though they may be). Many of us do not have the expertise to correctly evaluate complex critiques that sound like they might have some validity. The days of being able to dismiss rude/vulgar statements as being without any value, are sadly past--not that good and smart have ever been mutually exclusive. Today many have acquired knowledge without gaining in grace or wisdom. As a result, discussions about innovations often descend into crude shouting matches with little content, leaving some of us scratching our heads, and turned off by both sides.

I have thrown my lot in with DRK and have no intention of jumping ship, nor do I have resources to "spread" around. However, my faith in DRK is not blind, and I am concerned about the centralization of power by the mining pools, which Spread claims to address. I have no doubt that this problem will be solved eventually, and that the DRK team will either be the ones to do it, or have the wisdom to adopt it. In the meantime, thank you for taking some of your valuable time to keep us neophytes up to speed.

Peace...

[Minotaur26]

Spread's dev corrupted/lost his 80k wallet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715435.msg8599670#msg8599670) and was going to relaunch the coin but received about 60k (if not more) from about 4-5 other holders to continue working (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715435.msg8620397#msg8620397). I'd wager at least half the coins out there are held by a few holders, no different than the initial Darkcoin instamine so it's not really an argument--the difference is that there has been enough stagnant price action of periods of months where the majority of the instamine was churned whereas I haven't seen the volume indicating that the majority of Spreadcoin's coins have been sold at market.

By all means, if you want to invest in a clone, knock yourself out. Any viable features fixed or implemented into Spread would be pulled and merged into Dark (not a bad thing). Having said that, lets keep the focus of this thread on Darkcoin and anyone wanting to discuss Spread to go to their respective thread. Should Mr. Spread find any more potential vulnerabilities, the smartest thing to do is contact Evan directly. I'm certain credit will be given where credit is due.

I absolutely love Darkcoin.  I have from the near beginning.  We all know Evan is an amazing developer and that anonymity is a needed solution in the world we live in.  I caution everyone to not take "clones" with excellent developers for granted though.  The last thing I want is for my investment in DRK to turn into an investment in MySpace while Facebook starts up a few threads over.

In the world of crytocurrency, we must remain nimble.  

Neither MySpace nor Facebook were Open Source the analogy does not apply as DRK can port interesting features to its code.

Finally any person has the right to invest in anything they want, but just because you are invested in DRK it doesnt mean you should promote your other investments here in the hopes people will go buy your coins. It is not appropiate, please talk about each of your investments in  their respective threads.

[MyFarm]

Spread's dev corrupted/lost his 80k wallet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715435.msg8599670#msg8599670) and was going to relaunch the coin but received about 60k (if not more) from about 4-5 other holders to continue working (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715435.msg8620397#msg8620397). I'd wager at least half the coins out there are held by a few holders, no different than the initial Darkcoin instamine so it's not really an argument--the difference is that there has been enough stagnant price action of periods of months where the majority of the instamine was churned whereas I haven't seen the volume indicating that the majority of Spreadcoin's coins have been sold at market.

By all means, if you want to invest in a clone, knock yourself out. Any viable features fixed or implemented into Spread would be pulled and merged into Dark (not a bad thing). Having said that, lets keep the focus of this thread on Darkcoin and anyone wanting to discuss Spread to go to their respective thread. Should Mr. Spread find any more potential vulnerabilities, the smartest thing to do is contact Evan directly. I'm certain credit will be given where credit is due.

I absolutely love Darkcoin.  I have from the near beginning.  We all know Evan is an amazing developer and that anonymity is a needed solution in the world we live in.  I caution everyone to not take "clones" with excellent developers for granted though.  The last thing I want is for my investment in DRK to turn into an investment in MySpace while Facebook starts up a few threads over.

In the world of crytocurrency, we must remain nimble.  

The difference is that with open source, any fixes or innovations made to the Darkcoin codebase, can be implemented into Darkcoin--so comparing MySpace to Facebook isn't a fair comparison. Further, you have a bit of one-sided distribution and lack of market volume. Yes, that certainly could change, but any position in, is that much harder to get out of should things go the other way. I'm all for competent devs working with (and on) Darkcoin's codebase. What I am against is the ongoing marketing pitch in this thread and the arrogance that some of the holders have over there.

Can we please stay on topic?

If the fixes or innovations are minor in scope, I agree that they can be merged.  In the case of shitcoins, that is usually the case.  But that's why I specifically said, "With excellent developers".  Can Bitcoin just merge in the Darkcoin innovations?  Of course not, yet DRK started as BTC.  Make no mistake, at some point a good developer is going to come along and make massive changes to the Darkcoin codebase that can't simply be merged.  If Darkcoin is a nimble operation, it will have analysts on the lookout for devs capable of doing exactly that and act before the coin becomes a top 25 coin.

I'm not over here screaming, "Buy Spreadcoin".  Frankly, I don't give a shit if anyone here does because I understand a few DRK buyers aren't going to make or break SPR.  If I was, then I'd understand you saying to stay on topic.  But I am very much on topic as I am trying to watch out for my DRK investment and keep this coin/community thinking about its need to adapt in a changing business and technology environment.

[oblox]

Make no mistake, at some point a good developer is going to come along and make massive changes to the Darkcoin codebase that can't simply be merged.

Open source code can be merged with time and effort, especially if it is a derivative of the initial codebase (easier). BTC could implement DRK's coding into itself, absolutely, but they won't because it will fundamentally and structurally change the dynamics of their coin--not only would a fork be absolutely in the cards (something BTC is notorious about not doing unless absolutely necessary), incentivizing people to run masternodes would change reward structure.

[yeXIABC]

and if we start pushing it now with a new slick design when we still have

[MyFarm]

Make no mistake, at some point a good developer is going to come along and make massive changes to the Darkcoin codebase that can't simply be merged.

Open source code can be merged with time and effort, especially if it is a derivative of the initial codebase (easier). BTC could implement DRK's coding into itself, absolutely, but they won't because it will fundamentally and structurally change the dynamics of their coin--not only would a fork be absolutely in the cards (something BTC is notorious about not doing unless absolutely necessary), incentivizing people to run masternodes would change reward structure.

With time and effort, we also put a man on the moon.  At some point in the development of some coins, it no longer becomes all that viable to do a feature merge as we see with BTC/DRK.  I am saying is DRK needs the means to identify such coins long before that point.

As an investor, when I identify such coins, I take a position in them.  If I was in charge of the business side of DRK, my strategy would be different.