[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[salmion]

Can I suggest a Plan B team? Or they could just simply be an alternative approach team; which may end up being the Plan A team?

We have a DASH Foundation that is working away behind closed doors (well, more practically on IRC) on a Master Plan for mass adoption.

Like the advert says, what's your plan when you run out of water?

In other words, we need a team to independently think about, come up with and put forward a plan for mass adoption.

That way you remove the risk of group think bias when there are one or two people that influence a direction which ultimately doesn't work.

You could extend this concept to three groups, etc. Groups of 3-5 are very effective, any more than that and it gets too complicated.

You could end up with different groups having one or two great ideas and when you merge them all, you get a great master plan.

Ultimately you have to take a pragmatic approach and recognize you need consensus.

My rationale for this is simple - Bitcoin has gone for mass adoption and it has plenty of retailers, gambling sites, exchanges, etc. But it hasn't got mass adoption. Trying to repeat the same steps as Bitcoin but with a shiny new tool is a risk, IMO.

Discuss.

My 2 Duffs on the issue.

So startup a B team on Dashtalk. Call it the A-team

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[coins101]

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So startup a B team on Dashtalk. Call it the A-team

Along a similar vein as Vertoe, you currently need buy-in from the Foundation.

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Help them, or do your own thing. It's up to you.

Right chaps, I'm taking over.



Yes, I get all that.

But for now, the network needs one voice. Otherwise, you're just considered a bunch of loons by the media.

[salmion]

Plan B:

In terms of why market adoption isn't the be all and end all it's because coins just get dumped for dollars.

The loop that makes up a financial ecosystem needs to be closed. People need to be payed in crypto.

So if someone buys a laptop from Dell coins are dump for dollars but dollars are sold for crypto every month to pay salaries.

If people save a little bit the value of crypto goes up.

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Your spr ideas are fantastic. Pity SPR is in limbo.

Applying those great ideas to DASH:
Buy in from the foundation? Why? Make nodes that can talk with the dash wallet or an extension of sorts. User adds wallet extension to allow your service job done.

Edit: Or don't tie them into a coin. Subscription service pay in dash, doge whatever.

Edit 2: Approach foundation say I want to make third party apps that run on masternodes I need to be able to perform xyz api calls what do we need to do to make this happen?

[coins101]

Plan B:

In terms of why market adoption isn't the be all and end all it's because coins just get dumped for dollars.

The loop that makes up a financial ecosystem needs to be closed. People need to be payed in crypto.

So if someone buys a laptop from Dell coins are dump for dollars but dollars are sold for crypto every month to pay salaries.

If people save a little bit the value of crypto goes up.

--

Your spr ideas are fantastic. Pity SPR is in limbo.

Applying those great ideas to DASH:
Buy in from the foundation? Why? Make nodes that can talk with the dash wallet or an extension of sorts. User adds wallet extension to allow your service job done.

Edit: Or don't tie them into a coin. Subscription service pay in dash, doge whatever.

Edit 2: Approach foundation say I want to make third party apps that run on masternodes I need to be able to perform xyz api calls what do we need to do to make this happen?

* SPR is not in limbo

Back on topic.

* Approach the foundation.....I guess that is what we are talking about.

* Create apps - there was a pretty big decision last summer to steer clear of apps in the medium-term and maintain focus on currency development, in particular mobile. I 100% agreed with that and still do. Distractions now would be just that, distractions from the primary goal from last summers decision on the mobile front.

* The mass adoption issue is a slightly different issue. There are overlaps, but for now its a Foundation direction and contribution to direction discussion, IMO.

[DefendKebab]

What you will say about the price drop ? Whar would be the floor ?

could be 0.013 otherwise it could retest 0.010 resistance.

[salmion]

* Approach the foundation.....I guess that is what we are talking about.

* Create apps - there was a pretty big decision last summer to steer clear of apps in the medium-term and maintain focus on currency development, in particular mobile. I 100% agreed with that and still do. Distractions now would be just that, distractions from the primary goal from last summers decision on the mobile front.

* The mass adoption issue is a slightly different issue. There are overlaps, but for now its a Foundation direction and contribution to direction discussion, IMO.

So the foundation is busy with currency development  - good.

Distractions? Depends how much of the work we do. If it's a pull request to allow our qt extension and that doesn't infringe on privacy and security but adds to the scope of the currency - why frakking not.

3rd party apps are open to go for.  And by talking about this here expect [PREANN] ExtendaCoin™ with moon worthy QT extensionStore™.

[coins101]

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Thanks, DefendKebab.

Your sig made me laugh, as well as the 10hour long defend kebab song on youtube.

 

[DefendKebab]

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Thanks, DefendKebab.

Your sig made me laugh, as well as the 10hour long defend kebab song on youtube.

 

I made that video

[toknormal]

Bitcoin is a consensus protocol specification, a team of developers maintaining a reference implementation,

Is has that now but it didn't when Satoshi was creating it. It was essentially a one-man-show (albeit with increasing levels of participation from others as it evolved).

Darkcoin has none of this and should take the time to learn why it's important to support decentralization over corporate-like behaviour, why it's important to achieve a network consensus by miners not developers and why it's important to have democratic fallback infrastructure in place in case there are disputes without consensus. darkcoin is competion for paypal, not bitcoin. corporations can fail. cryptocurrencies cant.

I think you need to be more specific for that argument to carry any weight because at a purely philosophical level it doesn't hold much water with me at least.

How would a "democratic fallback infrastructure" have worked in this project's favour other than killing potentially smart ideas that didn't have "developer consensus" ? Human innovation never has consensus - that's why there's a flotilla of options to choose from out there in the alt-coin market.

For "democratic fallback infrastructure" you might as well read "corporate subversion by stealth" or "self interested debasement". There are far too few people involved in the creative aspects of such endeavours to have consensus enforced upon them as a rule as if it were some kind of mining algo. Sure it's better that "the vision" carries everyone along with it, acknowledges all contributions fairly and stays open minded, but not at the expense of losing the vision itself.

[coins101]

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Thanks, DefendKebab.

Your sig made me laugh, as well as the 10hour long defend kebab song on youtube.

 

I made that video

Can I buy a kebab with DASH and can you post it to me from Turkey to the UK? Maybe we will make history as it might become a $3,000 kebab 

[Terzo2]

3 USD 

[fernando]

* Approach the foundation.....I guess that is what we are talking about.

* Create apps - there was a pretty big decision last summer to steer clear of apps in the medium-term and maintain focus on currency development, in particular mobile. I 100% agreed with that and still do. Distractions now would be just that, distractions from the primary goal from last summers decision on the mobile front.

* The mass adoption issue is a slightly different issue. There are overlaps, but for now its a Foundation direction and contribution to direction discussion, IMO.

So the foundation is busy with currency development  - good.

Distractions? Depends how much of the work we do. If it's a pull request to allow our qt extension and that doesn't infringe on privacy and security but adds to the scope of the currency - why frakking not.

3rd party apps are open to go for.  And by talking about this here expect [PREANN] ExtendaCoin™ with moon worthy QT extensionStore™.

I think you are giving the foundation too much weight. That probably comes from Evan leading it and the dev team. Truth is, the foundation was created to represent Dash/Darkcoin when a legal entity was needed and support the development of the coin in any way we devised, but that has not happened yet. In the meantime the board of the foundation, in which I serve, is just another discussion forum of a few volunteers, one of which is Evan.

Some of us do other things for Dash besides being in the foundation, but they are not foundation actions, they are ours. We, the foundation board, are just a bunch of guys trying to help. Our members have trusted us with some funds in exchange for being members and we still need to come with a plan to use them in the best possible way to help Dash. If you need to change something in the code the foundation has absolutely no say in that.

[salmion]

* Approach the foundation.....I guess that is what we are talking about.

* Create apps - there was a pretty big decision last summer to steer clear of apps in the medium-term and maintain focus on currency development, in particular mobile. I 100% agreed with that and still do. Distractions now would be just that, distractions from the primary goal from last summers decision on the mobile front.

* The mass adoption issue is a slightly different issue. There are overlaps, but for now its a Foundation direction and contribution to direction discussion, IMO.

So the foundation is busy with currency development  - good.

Distractions? Depends how much of the work we do. If it's a pull request to allow our qt extension and that doesn't infringe on privacy and security but adds to the scope of the currency - why frakking not.

3rd party apps are open to go for.  And by talking about this here expect [PREANN] ExtendaCoin™ with moon worthy QT extensionStore™.

I think you are giving the foundation too much weight. That probably comes from Evan leading it and the dev team. Truth is, the foundation was created to represent Dash/Darkcoin when a legal entity was needed and support the development of the coin in any way we devised, but that has not happened yet. In the meantime the board of the foundation, in which I serve, is just another discussion forum of a few volunteers, one of which is Evan.

Some of us do other things for Dash besides being in the foundation, but they are not foundation actions, they are ours. We, the foundation board, are just a bunch of guys trying to help. Our members have trusted us with some funds in exchange for being members and we still need to come with a plan to use them in the best possible way to help Dash. If you need to change something in the code the foundation has absolutely no say in that.

Thank you for clarifying fernando.

There you have it coins.. nothing stopping anyone from contributing/make their own services/etc.

[fernando]

* Approach the foundation.....I guess that is what we are talking about.

* Create apps - there was a pretty big decision last summer to steer clear of apps in the medium-term and maintain focus on currency development, in particular mobile. I 100% agreed with that and still do. Distractions now would be just that, distractions from the primary goal from last summers decision on the mobile front.

* The mass adoption issue is a slightly different issue. There are overlaps, but for now its a Foundation direction and contribution to direction discussion, IMO.

So the foundation is busy with currency development  - good.

Distractions? Depends how much of the work we do. If it's a pull request to allow our qt extension and that doesn't infringe on privacy and security but adds to the scope of the currency - why frakking not.

3rd party apps are open to go for.  And by talking about this here expect [PREANN] ExtendaCoin™ with moon worthy QT extensionStore™.

I think you are giving the foundation too much weight. That probably comes from Evan leading it and the dev team. Truth is, the foundation was created to represent Dash/Darkcoin when a legal entity was needed and support the development of the coin in any way we devised, but that has not happened yet. In the meantime the board of the foundation, in which I serve, is just another discussion forum of a few volunteers, one of which is Evan.

Some of us do other things for Dash besides being in the foundation, but they are not foundation actions, they are ours. We, the foundation board, are just a bunch of guys trying to help. Our members have trusted us with some funds in exchange for being members and we still need to come with a plan to use them in the best possible way to help Dash. If you need to change something in the code the foundation has absolutely no say in that.

Thank you for clarifying fernando.

There you have it coins.. nothing stopping anyone from contributing/make their own services/etc.

Well, if you want to include them in the code you'll have to go through the standard github process. What I'm saying is that the foundation has absolutely no say in that.

[Terzo2]

You are silently dumping !

[salmion]

You are silently dumping !

Who you Terzobot?

[Terzo2]

You are silently dumping !

Who you Terzobot?

Are you dumping right now ?

[salmion]

You are silently dumping !

Who you Terzobot?

Are you dumping right now ?

lol me no. Not much volume to be calling "dumping" anyway.

Why am I talking to a bot?

[JGCMiner]

Bitcoin is a consensus protocol specification, a team of developers maintaining a reference implementation,

Is has that now but it didn't when Satoshi was creating it. It was essentially a one-man-show (albeit with increasing levels of participation from others as it evolved.)

Exactly. It is a strawman argument to compare Bitcoin in year 6 to DASH in year 2 when it comes to the development situation. If you want to complain, there are other things one can legitimately dislike about this project -- but criticizing this coin because it still primarly based around the goals of one person when it is only 18 months old reeks of sour grapes or a contrary agenda.

[AdamWhite]

holy f crowning .. nice work on github

Hi, do you have the link please?
Thanks

https://github.com/dashpay/dash/pull/308

That was pretty sneaky, Vertoe! Don't tease us like this! Don't let that be the last post we see from you.

We could use you back, man. Dash is a Digital Cash that can be used for anything, and you can have a hand in making it happen. Also, there is a fund for developers now. Keep that in mind.

Take your time, though, if you need to.

I was posting it because it is a very interesting pull request from a technological perspective. I'm surprised to see udjin did a dirty merge of the bitcoin master (which is not 0.10.0 but 0.10.99 btw) and it seems to work out. I've been waiting to see the 0.12 wallet. Will test it.

But I have to disappoint you, I will not return or contribute to darkcoin as long as it is nothing more than a company selling a product. And I dont want to offend anyone when I say I simply have to smile when I see that darkcoin wants to take on bitcoin. Bitcoin is a consensus protocol specification, a team of developers maintaining a reference implementation, miners sustaining the consensus throughout the network and a democratic foundation which does nothing than public relations.

Darkcoin has none of this and should take the time to learn why it's important to support decentralization over corporate-like behaviour, why it's important to achieve a network consensus by miners not developers and why it's important to have democratic fallback infrastructure in place in case there are disputes without consensus. darkcoin is competion for paypal, not bitcoin. corporations can fail. cryptocurrencies cant. mistrust authority, promote decentralization.