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June 28, 2020, 06:36:10 AM
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Well I'd like to know who is selling more Dash, miners or MN owners ( or teams that get 10%, they cash it, no? ) .  Who care less and who is to blame the most for DASH marketcap position...

Difficult to gather from statistics. All i can tell is that Dash has more spending then generating. Looking at the MRI (Miners Rolling Inventory) percentage for some specific PoW cryptocurrencies over a time period of 5 weeks and taking into account that MRI above 100% means more sold and MRI below 100% means more hoarded and also taking into account that (unlike other cryptocurrencies) Dash has newly generated supply split between miners and masternodes :

Bitcoin : 99,35% (slightly more newly generated supply hoarded then sold)
Bitcoin Cash : 82,91% (more newly generated supply hoarded then sold)
Bitcoin SV : 512,63% (far more newly generated supply sold then hoarded)
Dash : 112,10% (more newly generated supply sold then hoarded)
Litecoin : 96,93% (slightly more newly generated supply hoarded then sold)

Source : https://terminal.bytetree.com/ (see on-chain --> supply with each cryptocurrency)

Goal should be to bring Dash MRI down to below 100%

...And where Monero stands? Marketcap side it fares much better than Dash.

I suspect Monero has a much lower newly generated supply and much lower inflation. I have no information about Monero's MRI or how much of its generated supply is spend or hoarded,
because bytetree.com only focus on above mentioned cryptocurrencies. But because a lot of mining botnets operate on Monero's network, one would exspect a high MRI percentage there as well.
It is Monero's low emission inflation and the fact that more then 90% of Monero is already mined, that most likely has the strongest effect on their market cap and their market performance.
Monero's weaknesses : adoption, transactions, traded volume, lacking in its main (privacy-centric) use case.

Statistics about some established cryptocurrencies market performance (see % Down from ATH) :


Source : messari.io
Excluding : stablecoins, most exchange tokens

Not much has changed for Dash, we are still in that 95%-96% down from ATH.
Same for Ripple and Bitcoin Cash. The rest of the cryptocurrencies are a bit below that, with the exception of those cryptocurrencies that emerged after the 2017 bull market like Chainlink & Tezos,
they are doing relatively well.

I wonder if it really feels that different to investors if the price of their cryptocurrency is 87% down from ATH or 95% down from ATH ?
In both situations that price is way way way down.

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I suspect Monero has a much lower newly generated supply and much lower inflation. I have no information about Monero's MRI or how much of its generated supply is spend or hoarded,
because bytetree.com only focus on above mentioned cryptocurrencies. But because a lot of mining botnets operate on Monero's network, one would exspect a high MRI percentage there as well.
It is Monero's low emission inflation and the fact that more then 90% of Monero is already mined, that most likely has the strongest effect on their market cap and their market performance.
I agree that it is a great support for Monero price on the market in months to come. Most of supplied coins are mined (> 90%). From the monthly chart, Monero has been in a good support range but if the range fails to support Monero, the next range will be somewhere from 0.0034 to 0.0045.  Undecided
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Monero's weaknesses : adoption, transactions, traded volume, lacking in its main (privacy-centric) use case.
Since 2018, Monero has suffered dramatic changes and attacks on their adoption, and many exchanges decided to delist Monero under pressure of local law regulations.
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Statistics about some established cryptocurrencies market performance (see % Down from ATH) :


Source : messari.io
Excluding : stablecoins, most exchange tokens

Not much has changed for Dash, we are still in that 95%-96% down from ATH.
Same for Ripple and Bitcoin Cash. The rest of the cryptocurrencies are a bit below that, with the exception of those cryptocurrencies that emerged after the 2017 bull market like Chainlink & Tezos,
they are doing relatively well.

I wonder if it really feels that different to investors if the price of their cryptocurrency is 87% down from ATH or 95% down from ATH ?
In both situations that price is way way way down.
Compare to Ripple and Bitcoin Cash, I see a brighter future for DASH. Ripple is too centralized and latest activities of centralization force the price down more and more. I even see lower price for Ripple.

Bitcoin Cash, it is a pump and dump coin, there is no interesting technical things on it.

DASH, we have many things that are better than Ripple and Bitcoin Cash. A long journey to hit the -50% down from ATH, why not?

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Altcoins Season in progress ? Please give your opinion...

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Green shows Altcoins marketcap dominance strengthening
Red (indirectly) shows Bitcoin marketcap dominance strengthening

Basically this is a chart that excludes Bitcoin marketcap dominance, it only shows Altcoins marketcap dominance / Altcoins seasons.
 

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https://decrypt.co/33917/bitcoin-stolen-lightning-network-attack-warn-researchers

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the “attacker forces many victims at once to flood the blockchain with claims for their funds. He is then able to leverage the congestion that they create to steal any funds that
were not claimed before the deadline.”

Yep, Alpha software indeed.

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''We believe that in many ways the exploited vulnerabilities are inherent to the way [Lightning works], and thus the attack cannot be avoided completely without major
modifications,” they wrote.

Why am i not surprised ?

Lets also not forget Lightning Network's routing problem and small Lightning Network payments not being trustless of nature.

Link : https://medium.com/@peter_r/visualizing-htlcs-and-the-lightning-networks-dirty-little-secret-cb9b5773a0

Higher Bitcoin Fees --> Higher BTC Dust Threshold --> More small-size LN transactions loosing their trustless nature.  

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Ripple really has taken a hard hit with the price falling to $0.17 but I fail to see exactly right now why DASH has a brighter future over Ripple for short to mid term investors that want to invest and cash out when there is a positive blip in the price.

Compare to Ripple and Bitcoin Cash, I see a brighter future for DASH. Ripple is too centralized and latest activities of centralization force the price down more and more. I even see lower price for Ripple.

Bitcoin Cash, it is a pump and dump coin, there is no interesting technical things on it.

DASH, we have many things that are better than Ripple and Bitcoin Cash. A long journey to hit the -50% down from ATH, why not?

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congratulations on the 23rd place you are moving in the right direction Shocked Grin
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And the uptick in the number of active masternodes continues : From 4776 (26th of June 2020) to 4913 (today)



Only 56 active masternodes to go, before a new ATH  Smiley
This is the Dash Masternodes model showing its full strength.
This is Dash consolidation at work.

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congratulations on the 23rd place you are moving in the right direction Shocked Grin

The loss of marketshare/ranking isn't due to any shortage of industrial growth, product development, exciting roadmap, masternode margin, commercial integrations or uniqueness or pedigree. Those are in plentiful supply. The reason is purely arithmetical (IMHO):

 • In BTC, (a notional) $100k of market demand liquidity has to cover the mining cost of the ENTIRE supply
 • In DASH, (a notional) $100k of market demand liquidity also has to cover the mining cost of the ENTIRE supply (regardless of reward ratio)

...and additionally the dumping of masternode rewards which its competitor's market liquidity does not. This "deadweight" overhead gets bigger the more the mining reward ratio is lowered.

Therefore: much less of Dash's market demand liquidity is available to support the price/cost of mining which remains unchanged from a lowered reward ratio alone. Ergo it loses market share since buyers continuously get more of the primary supply for their "buck" with 100% mining reward competitor coins.

Nothing fancy. Just



Also, the priorities expressed in this kind of perspective present a problem for Dash:

I and many others do not agree with ur assessment and I'm very certain will vote for the changes advocated for by dcg.

...because the case is being constructed, argued and addressed to masternode holders when it should be being addressed to the wider market from its point of view. It's non dash-holding, potential investors that will determine the future of this coin, not a tiny bunch of masternode holders (who will probably destroy it anyway if track record is anything to go by. They can afford to).

With that in mind, window-shopping Dash no-coiners are interested in one thing from a long-run economics point of view: paying the absolute minimum premium over mining cost for the privilege of acquisition. If we slap a whopping great 60% acquisition tax on their purchase, lets not expect to be rewarded with improved rankings.

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@toknormal. Are you thinking of reducing your exposure to dash if/when this vote to increase masternode reward goes through?
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Dicing with Dash

For the first time since I got into Darkcoin, or Dash as it is of course nowadays. I am doubting the project. I shall try to explain why.


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@toknormal. Are you thinking of reducing your exposure to dash if/when this vote to increase masternode reward goes through

I won't have the choice. My exposure in "dollar terms" will automatically be reduced for me by the free market which will understand that 60% of its investment isn't an investment at all but an expense.

Anyone who understands double entry bookeeping will see that. Whatever "income" masternodes draw is pure margin that has to be passed on to the market - "disguised" as an investment when it's actually an expense. That component of Dash's price does not go towards making competitive mining more "competitive" in Dash's case. With Litecoin it does. With Bitcoin it does and even with Monero it does. For us to compete in that regard we'd need a much higher mining reward ratio.

It's like paying a miner $1000 to mine you some gold and then paying a cleaner another $1200 to polish it for you. Ok if the polished gold increased its value by 110% over the dirty gold, but if not.....the investor's gonna buy Litecoin and use a hand cloth of their own to shine it up.

Evan's original plan was that the "polisher" (Dash's service layer in this case) would add value to at least an extent that justified the premium charged to the market over the mining element and that should still be the idea long term. But meantime, while we're waiting for service demand to emerge and service provision to support it, lets give the investors what they want:

1. - more dash for the buck they pay to miners and get ourselves competitive again with the other BTC clones
2. - the prospect of "cherry on top" service layer that boosts the value of their investment

It only needs a tiny bit of sacrifice in priority 1 to fulfill priority 2 because if we reverse the current situation, the market will do the work of revaluing the coin upwards and that will give masternodes greater dollar valued rewards anyway. What we're doing right now is trying to stuff more gasoline in the engine when all it needs is more air to burn the fuel supply it already has. There was never a problem with demand for masternodes. Nor do we have a (competitive) problem on plain wallet ROI. Our competitors don't have it and still blow us out of the park on rankings.

We DO need to compete with them on mining reward however because that's the primary supply that's delivered to investors. Miners are just a proxy (if DCG's demographic claims are anything to go by). If we give those investors less of the supply (proportionaly) than other coins, we'll simply lose market share to other coins. If we make them pay for all the mining cost (by purchasing the miner reward) and then pay again to acquire the balance of the primary supply from masternodes - we'll lose market share again.

We need to restore competitivity for our miners instead of bleeding them dry to the extent that they can't even command a decent price anymore being so undermined by masternodes who can afford to give it away and still break even. Difficulty adjustments can save miners long term but they don't save investors because the capital losses end up on our doorsteps. That masternode income does nothing to boost the value of the coin at the moment (in relation to other mined coins) other than letting users download the blockchain a bit quicker. It's almost all margin and will therefore get eroded by the market - unfortunately at the expense of ALL investors, not just node holders.

For the first time since I got into Darkcoin, or Dash as it is of course nowadays. I am doubting the project. I shall try to explain why.

https://afbitcoins.wordpress.com/2020/06/17/dicing-with-dash/

Indeed !

Has it never occurred to people that @babygiraffe might not actually mind if the community takes its own course ? Just because he presented a proposal doesn't mean people need to follow it. He has a job to do which is to present a RECOMMENDATION for the community to debate around. His job isn't to direct the community, it's to direct DCG and serve the community which he's done admirably IMO. It's our job to direct ourselves and make sure that whatever we do works and receives proper cross examination.

The DCG proposal will not be successful unless it's presented with challenges, alternatives and stimulated wider debate. Even if it gets rejected, it will still have served its purpose and DCG will have done its job professionally. It's a grain of sand around which to grow a pearl.

Pictorially presented, the question is who to market to ? To whom should we appear more competitive ?

 • the people that bring capital into the Dash ecosystem or
 • the people that draw down that capital without replenishing it ?



By increasing the mining reward ratio, we're not giving more to miners, we're giving more to investors and thereby attracting marketcap share back from the competitors to whom we lost it. That will stabilise price, restart growth and deliver far higher dollar-valued rewards to masternodes.
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Last edit: July 04, 2020, 01:31:17 PM by qwizzie

Some Dash Network stats

Dash Circulating Supply : 9,583,119 DASH
Dash Combined Collateral of Masternodes : 4,914 (number of masternodes) x 1000 dash (collateral) = 4,914,000 DASH
Percentage of Dash Circulating Supply backed by masternodes : 51,27%

New Generated Dash Supply versus First Spending : 4th of July 2020
Note : MRI below 100% indicates a hoarding mood, while MRI above 100% indicates a selling mood
MRI = Miners Rolling Inventory


Source : https://terminal.bytetree.com/dash (see on-chain)

The MRI of Dash 25th of June : 112,1 (5 weeks interval)

Link : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg54680391#msg54680391

Conclusion : Dash mood has turned from selling (112,1%) to hoarding (96,44%). Since MRI in Dash case on bytetree applies to both miners and masternodes, it is not exactly clear who is doing the hoarding.
I have my suspicions though, specially now that we are witnessing an increase in number of active masternodes who's operators don't necessarily need to cash out their masternode payments at such low prices.
Makes sense to me that at least some of them are doing the hoarding right now.

To compare Dash MRI with Bitcoin MRI :


Source : https://terminal.bytetree.com/bitcoin (see on-chain)

The MRI of Bitcoin 25th of June : 99,35% (5 weeks interval)

Link : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg54680391#msg54680391

Conclusion : Bitcoin miners hoarding mood has changed from 99,35% to 97,09%. Bitcoin hoarding mood got stronger.

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