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September 10, 2020, 11:01:18 AM
Last edit: September 10, 2020, 12:22:26 PM by qwizzie

There IS huuge diference. Unfortunately.
And we all can agree that our perception is different. Monero has DOUBLE the marketcap value and much higher price per coin despite being technologically inferior ( as you say Qwizzie ) so problem lies ...hmm...let's se... uhm Qizzie do you know?

More then 96% of Monero is already mined. Of course they have higher marketcap, because they have more coins in circulation then Dash and are now very close to their maximum number of coins (18,4 Million XMR). And Monero only has a slightly higher price by the way.

Link : https://cointelegraph.com/news/with-90-percent-of-monero-mined-attention-turns-to-tail-emission-from-2022

Monero : 17,692,702 XMR Circulating Supply  & Price : $84,45
Dash    : 9,699,159 DASH Circulating Supply  & Price  :$75,36   
Bitcoin :  18,484,581 BTC Circulating Supply  & Price  :$10,316
Source : coinmarketcap   

17,692,702 XMR / 18,400,000 XMR x 100 = 96,16% of Monero mined
9,699,159 DASH / 18,900,000 Dash x 100 = 51,31% of Dash mined
18,484,581 BTC  / 21,000,000 BTC x 100 =  88,02% of Bitcoin mined

Although 5 years younger as a project, Monero (2014) already mined way more coins then Bitcoin (2009) !

Marketcap = Circulating Supply x Price

Monero Marketcap : $1,494,148,683
Dash Marketcap : $730,928,622
Bitcoin Marketcap :  $190,686,937,596

No magic there.

Question is : do you really want to be in a coin that is mined close to 97% already in such a shady way? (crippled mining hardware at start etc). A coin that will be 100% mined in May 2022 ?
How secure will the network of such a coin really be, when there is such little incentive for miners to mine those tiny blocks (tail emission) after 2022  ?

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September 10, 2020, 10:45:52 PM

Talking about flash in the pan, did you guys knew that certain Dash community members were also considering a Dash redenomination ?



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https://www.dashnation.com/media/news/breaking-down-dashs-treasury-adjustment-options/
https://github.com/riongull/notes/blob/master/dash_unit_denominations.md

Any thoughts on that subject ?


Cool... nice to see I'm not the only one who sees total supply being only in the millions is not only a problem for mass adoption but also coinmarketcap ranking... and also the problem that 1 DASH is even now too expensive compared to other coins especially for newcomers.

While I recently presented an idea of re-denominating 1 old DASH to 100 new DASH... seems this presents something even more extreme, 1 old DASH to 1,000,000 new DASH (or 1 new DASH = 100 Duff)...

I was only able to skim thru it for now, will need to read it in its entirety when I get a chance.
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Talking about flash in the pan, did you guys knew that certain Dash community members were also considering a Dash redenomination ?



Source :

https://www.dashnation.com/media/news/breaking-down-dashs-treasury-adjustment-options/
https://github.com/riongull/notes/blob/master/dash_unit_denominations.md

Any thoughts on that subject ?


Cool... nice to see I'm not the only one who sees total supply being only in the millions is not only a problem for mass adoption but also coinmarketcap ranking... and also the problem that 1 DASH is even now too expensive compared to other coins especially for newcomers.

While I recently presented an idea of re-denominating 1 old DASH to 100 new DASH... seems this presents something even more extreme, 1 old DASH to 1,000,000 new DASH (or 1 new DASH = 100 Duff)...

I was only able to skim thru it for now, will need to read it in its entirety when I get a chance.

Yea, I've been thinking this for years -- Lets do it!  =).     This is all one big ass experiment anyways!
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Would a redenomination increase our max supply of Dash ever to be mined ? (currently estimated at 18,900,000 Dash on page 1 post 1 of this Dash ANN thread)
Would a redenomination affect our percentage already mined Dash ? (currently at 51,31%)
Would a redenomination break our emission schedule / our social contract ?
Would a redenomination be something Dash Core Group is likely to support ?
Would a redenomination affect Dash store of value?
What risks are there with a redenomination ?

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nice to see I'm not the only one who sees total supply being only in the millions is not only a problem for mass adoption...

Yea, I've been thinking this for years -- Lets do it!  =).     This is all one big ass experiment anyways!

You should have invested in a stable coin then. They revise their supply far more regularly and faithfully in response to demand than Dash ever would (or could). In fact they actually target liquidity demand (which is what you're proposing to address) as a priority over everything else.

As a bonus, they don't lose value like Dash does  Wink

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Would a redenomination increase our max supply of Dash ever to be mined ? (currently estimated at 18,900,000 Dash on page 1 post 1 of this Dash ANN thread)
Would a redenomination affect our percentage already mined Dash ? (currently at 51,31%)
Would a redenomination break our emission schedule / our social contract ?

I believe the answer to those 3 questions is no... this is simply moving the decimal to the left, much like DOT did (it moved its 2 decimal places).

Let's say a cup of coffee is $2.70 USD... currently that's about 0.03563885 DASH

Would it be easier for someone to understand.... that coffee will cost you 0.03563885 DASH or that coffee will cost you 35638.85 DASH?

The above question correlates with the proposal from github where 1 old DASH = 1 million new DASH... https://github.com/riongull/notes/blob/master/dash_unit_denominations.md

I suggest people read it and see that the Bitcoin community also discovered and explored possible solutions to this problem but couldn't agree on anything since they lacked any form of governance.

Personally, I think it might be a better idea to shift only 3 decimal points instead of 6, so the above coffee would then be 35.63885 DASH

Still 5 decimal places might be difficult for non-technical people but perhaps a further shift in the future could be explored as DASH grows in value. Shifting the decimal 3 places would give a maximum supply of about 18 billion instead of 18 million. Notice how many coins that DASH has lost position to on coinmarketcap actually have supply counts in the billions.

Would a redenomination be something Dash Core Group is likely to support ?

I think they might be exploring this as part of the Platform launch to mainnet... but I don't know for sure.

Would a redenomination affect Dash store of value?
What risks are there with a redenomination ?

Good questions that warrant some good discussion.

I think allowing more people to own whole units of DASH will help with decentralization as it will get DASH in more hands.

Who would rather have 0.0034 over 3.4 of something?
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September 11, 2020, 07:16:19 AM
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Would a redenomination affect Dash store of value?
What risks are there with a redenomination ?
Good questions that warrant some good discussion.

I think allowing more people to own whole units of DASH will help with decentralization as it will get DASH in more hands.

Who would rather have 0.0034 over 3.4 of something?

3 decimals shift would make masternode owners millionaires (in DASH), over night. Now there is a thought.

1 old DASH = 1,000 new DASH
1,000 old DASH (masternode collateral) = 1,000,000 new DASH

Thank you for replying to all my questions.

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I know it is hypothetical but what would the consensus be on that if it were to happen?

There is a fine line between the balance of keeping investors happy and keeping masternode operators happy while trying not to tilt towards favouritism to one over the other.




Would a redenomination affect Dash store of value?
What risks are there with a redenomination ?
Good questions that warrant some good discussion.

I think allowing more people to own whole units of DASH will help with decentralization as it will get DASH in more hands.

Who would rather have 0.0034 over 3.4 of something?

3 decimals shift would make masternode owners millionaires (in DASH), over night. Now there is a thought.

1 old DASH = 1,000 new DASH
1,000 old DASH (Masternode collateral) = 1,000,000 new DASH

Thank you for replying to all my questions.

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September 11, 2020, 08:07:06 AM
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It would need to go through a decision proposal. Outcome would be difficult to guess. This is not about masternode operators / masternode owners being able to call themselves millionaires in Dash.
Personally i am against re-denomination. For some reason it comes off as very manipulative and seems to challenge the immutable character of cryptocurrency.

Marketcap = Supply x Price

Current situation

Dash : 9,700,739 DASH Circulating Supply  & Price  : $75.78
Marketcap : $735,122,001
Mined : 9,700,739 DASH / 18,900,000 DASH x 100 =  51%

Three decimals shifting

Dash : 9,700,739,000 DASH Circulating Supply  & Price  : $0,07578
Marketcap : $735,122,001
Mined : 9,700,739 DASH / 18,900,000 DASH x 100 =  51%

I know it is hypothetical but what would the consensus be on that if it were to happen?

There is a fine line between the balance of keeping investors happy and keeping masternode operators happy while trying not to tilt towards favouritism to one over the other.

Would a redenomination affect Dash store of value?
What risks are there with a redenomination ?
Good questions that warrant some good discussion.

I think allowing more people to own whole units of DASH will help with decentralization as it will get DASH in more hands.

Who would rather have 0.0034 over 3.4 of something?

3 decimals shift would make masternode owners millionaires (in DASH), over night. Now there is a thought.

1 old DASH = 1,000 new DASH
1,000 old DASH (Masternode collateral) = 1,000,000 new DASH

Thank you for replying to all my questions.

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September 11, 2020, 02:27:48 PM

Understanding the Improvements of Dash Platform v0.15



The organization working behind the scenes to improve Dash (the Dash Core Group), continues its usual tradition of releasing updates with new functionalities every six weeks with the release of v0.15 on Evonet! Under this schedule, v0.16 is expected at the start of this year’s 4th quarter (between Oct. 6th and Oct. 20). In order to prepare for this latest update, it was necessary to wipe the entire Evonet blockchain and start fresh with the new parameters. As such, decentralized application developers had to back up and remove their data from the network and will reinstate it after the update.

In a statement issued by the company concerning this process, DCG stated that “while the approach is fine for early testing, it is not appropriate for testnet and mainnet. To handle different versions of data, nodes, and clients all working in coordination, Dash Core Group developers introduced versioning that allows for the smooth roll-out of breaking changes without affecting user experience”...

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If there is no real consensus for this then it is a non-issue as far as I am concerned. Personally I just do not understand why anybody would be in favour of (or advocating for) redenomination when it comes to Dash because there is no real need to do it with nothing clear about what is to gain from it. If in the future there is a need to consider this it makes sense to discuss all options but right now there is no need, no case and no consensus to go as far as redenomination.

It would need to go through a decision proposal. Outcome would be difficult to guess. This is not about masternode operators / masternode owners being able to call themselves millionaires in Dash.
Personally i am against redenomination. For some reason it comes off as very manipulative and seems to challenge the immutable character of cryptocurrency.

Marketcap = Circulating Supply x Price

Current situation

Dash : 9,700,739 DASH Circulating Supply  & Price  : $75.78
Marketcap : $735,122,001
Mined : 9,700,739 DASH / 18,900,000 DASH x 100 =  51%

Three decimals shifting (1 OLD DASH = 1000 NEW DASH)

Dash : 9,700,739,000 DASH Circulating Supply  & Price  : $0,07578
Marketcap : $735,122,001
Mined : 9,700,739,000 DASH / 18,900,000 DASH x 100 =  51,326%

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If there is no real consensus for this then it is a non-issue as far as I am concerned. Personally I just do not understand why anybody would be in favour of (or advocating for) redenomination when it comes to Dash because there is no real need to do it with nothing clear about what is to gain from it. If in the future there is a need to consider this it makes sense to discuss all options but right now there is no need, no case and no consensus to go as far as redenomination.

It would need to go through a decision proposal. Outcome would be difficult to guess. This is not about masternode operators / masternode owners being able to call themselves millionaires in Dash.
Personally i am against redenomination. For some reason it comes off as very manipulative and seems to challenge the immutable character of cryptocurrency.

Marketcap = Circulating Supply x Price

Current situation

Dash : 9,700,739 DASH Circulating Supply  & Price  : $75.78
Marketcap : $735,122,001
Mined : 9,700,739 DASH / 18,900,000 DASH x 100 =  51%

Three decimals shifting (1 OLD DASH = 1000 NEW DASH)

Dash : 9,700,739,000 DASH Circulating Supply  & Price  : $0,07578
Marketcap : $735,122,001
Mined : 9,700,739,000 DASH / 18,900,000 DASH x 100 =  51,326%

1 old dash = 1000 new dash....how about 1000 new dash become a masternode too? masternode instaminers profit down?---> will not pass LOL

you see they rather re denominate than re masternode.

comparing % mined?


17,692,702 XMR / 18,400,000 XMR x 100 = 96,16% of Monero mined
9,699,159 DASH / 18,900,000 Dash x 100 = 51,31% of Dash mined
18,484,581 BTC  / 21,000,000 BTC x 100 =  88,02% of Bitcoin mined


remember dash original supply? 84 million and reduced to 18.9 million hehe

after millions were instamined and POS in masternodes...yeah 51.31% dash mined but most coins that will come out are masternode rewards..let that sink in  Wink
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My view exactly. i just wanted to know what the motivations would be for those advocating a re-denomination. Which seems to be easier Dash pricing and better marketcap (?).
I then became curious what that better marketcap would look like for Dash, with a three decimals re-denomination. Turns out there is no marketcap increase at all.
Truth be told i was informed that this was put on a back burner and is just coming from a group of masternode operators, not directly from Dash Core Group.

If there is no real consensus for this then it is a non-issue as far as I am concerned. Personally I just do not understand why anybody would be in favour of (or advocating for) redenomination when it comes to Dash because there is no real need to do it with nothing clear about what is to gain from it. If in the future there is a need to consider this it makes sense to discuss all options but right now there is no need, no case and no consensus to go as far as redenomination.

It would need to go through a decision proposal. Outcome would be difficult to guess. This is not about masternode operators / masternode owners being able to call themselves millionaires in Dash.
Personally i am against redenomination. For some reason it comes off as very manipulative and seems to challenge the immutable character of cryptocurrency.

Marketcap = Circulating Supply x Price

Current situation

Dash : 9,700,739 DASH Circulating Supply  & Price  : $75.78
Marketcap : $735,122,001
Mined : 9,700,739 DASH / 18,900,000 DASH x 100 =  51%

Three decimals shifting (1 OLD DASH = 1000 NEW DASH)

Dash : 9,700,739,000 DASH Circulating Supply  & Price  : $0,07578
Marketcap : $735,122,001
Mined : 9,700,739 DASH / 18,900,000 DASH x 100 =  51%

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Last edit: September 11, 2020, 07:28:28 PM by qwizzie

Okay, i got more information from Rion about re-denomination for Dash :

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Re-denomination to any degree is not an increase in supply or marketcap in and of itself.  It could change the marketcap for psychological reasons, but not because of the re-denomination per se.

The money supply (in DUFF or SATOSHI) doesn't change at all
That's never been my argument.  It's always been about improving the UX.
The redenom itself is mostly a cosmetic UX change.

The true supply of a currency is its base unit.  The base unit in Dash is sometimes called DUFF.  You can create cosmetic units that are defined as a certain number of those base units.  In the case of Dash we have defined a cosmetic unit call DASH that is defined to be 100,000,000 DUFF.  Changing the definition of how many DUFFs make up a DASH does not change how many DUFFs exist.  It changes how the cosmetic unit is defined.

Link : https://github.com/riongull/notes/blob/master/dash_unit_denominations.md#comparison-table

No increase in marketcap because of the re-denomination per se.
Re-denomination is mostly a cosmetic UX change.

I had to do some heavy editing to some of my previous posts, sorry about that.



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Okay, i got more information from Rion about re-denomination for Dash :

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Re-denomination to any degree is not an increase in supply or marketcap in and of itself.  It could change the marketcap for psychological reasons, but not because of the re-denomination per se.

The money supply (in DUFF or SATOSHI) doesn't change at all
That's never been my argument.  It's always been about improving the UX.
The redenom itself is mostly a cosmetic UX change.

The true supply of a currency is its base unit.  The base unit in Dash is sometimes called DUFF.  You can create cosmetic units that are defined as a certain number of those base units.  In the case of Dash we have defined a cosmetic unit call DASH that is defined to be 100,000,000 DUFF.  Changing the definition of how many DUFFs make up a DASH does not change how many DUFFs exist.  It changes how the cosmetic unit is defined.

Link : https://github.com/riongull/notes/blob/master/dash_unit_denominations.md#comparison-table

No increase in marketcap because of the re-denomination per se.
Re-denomination is mostly a cosmetic UX change.

I had to do some heavy editing to some of my previous posts, sorry about that.


It's a little over-simplistic to say it's a cosmetic UX change.

It's about human psychology or human nature. DASH is supposed to be digital cash... being a good unit of account and user-friendly are important factors for this lofty goal.

Humans don't deal well with fractions or a bunch of leading 0's after a decimal (or comma)...

Imagine a cashier saying "that'd be zero point zero zero three six DASH ma'am" instead of maybe 3.6 DASH

So much easier to make errors as well and not include enough 0's and either overpay or underpay by a factor of 10.

Anyways from what I gather Rion was the main proponent for this change early to mid 2018 and even then this had been brought up for discussion before within the DASH community and the idea has its roots within the Bitcoin community.

Doesn't seem like there's a lot of support for it though and maybe that's why it had never been made into a former proposal.

If it ever was and I could vote for it I think I would vote a certain version of it as the benefits seem to outweigh the risks.

So far the main opponents to this idea either just have an emotional distaste with it or a misunderstanding of what this proposal really does... seems most still think this somehow inflates supply or is somehow deceptive.
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Thanks to your posts qwizzie, there is a lot of clarity now regarding redenomination. Nice to see lots of ideas being floated around Dash, it clearly means people are actively seeking to improve and contribute ideas towards the future goals.


Okay, i got more information from Rion about re-denomination for Dash :

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Re-denomination to any degree is not an increase in supply or marketcap in and of itself.  It could change the marketcap for psychological reasons, but not because of the re-denomination per se.

The money supply (in DUFF or SATOSHI) doesn't change at all
That's never been my argument.  It's always been about improving the UX.
The redenom itself is mostly a cosmetic UX change.

The true supply of a currency is its base unit.  The base unit in Dash is sometimes called DUFF.  You can create cosmetic units that are defined as a certain number of those base units.  In the case of Dash we have defined a cosmetic unit call DASH that is defined to be 100,000,000 DUFF.  Changing the definition of how many DUFFs make up a DASH does not change how many DUFFs exist.  It changes how the cosmetic unit is defined.

Link : https://github.com/riongull/notes/blob/master/dash_unit_denominations.md#comparison-table

No increase in marketcap because of the re-denomination per se.
Re-denomination is mostly a cosmetic UX change.

I had to do some heavy editing to some of my previous posts, sorry about that.




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Molto Bello! Dash Appears on Blockchain Caffe



As a cryptocurrency project that started with English being the only language of communication, Dash had a relatively limited sphere of influence over the first couple of years. Over time, however, Dash began capturing the hearts and minds of multi-lingual individuals who started teaching its concepts to others in different languages. Fast-forward to today, and there is Dash content in quite a few languages around the world. Spanish is the language that's seen the lion's share of global Dash acceptance, but there is significant representation in German, Russian, Japanese, Chinese, Polish, Thai, French, and Italian, among others.

The Italian Dash community is led by a pair of hard workers, known as Antonello and Alogen69 on Discord. They are working tirelessly to bring the word of Dash to their countrymen. As part of their work and passion, they attempt to land Italian cryptocurrency influencers to talk about Dash. They do this with the knowledge that if people really take the time to give Dash and its user experience a chance, they will become fans as well and work to bring more and more people into Dash Nation...

Read more: https://www.dashnation.com/media/news/molto-bello-dash-appears-on-blockchain-caffe/

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The Dash FastPass initiative is a really great idea. A while ago, I released a video outlining the situation that Dash now had the potential to enable near-instantaneous transfers between exchanges due to its InstantSend and Chainlocks technologies. The exchanges, though, were sleeping on this potential to delight their users with a better experience.

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Read more: https://www.dashnation.com/media/voices-of-dash-nation/dash-fastpass-a-trial-run-for-dash-platform/

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