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[afbitcoins]

Here we go again. Instead of addressing arguments made in the latest couple of pages qwizzie goes months to dredge up things toknormal hasn't mentioned for a long time. What page did you find that fork quote on qwizzie ?

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[afbitcoins]

The miners appear to overwhelmingly support getting less of the supply from POW. This is now a fact. Am I meant to believe this is because they are sacrificing their own profit to help pump more masternode collatoral (Ryan Taylors idea). Or because they operate hybrid masternode/mining model. Where are the miners in this discussion? I have rarely if ever heard any miner say anything.

[qwizzie]

Here we go again. Instead of addressing arguments made in the latest couple of pages qwizzie goes months to dredge up things toknormal hasn't mentioned for a long time. What page did you find that fork quote on qwizzie ?

Interesting, so time has somehow an influence on how we should interpreted someone's post about a willingness to fork Dash as part of an experiment ?
Do you think toknormal changed his view on this ?

Anyways, i was just providing birdonthewire with some references.

[birdonthewire]

@qwizzie


I do not deny that there are affirmations supported (with greater or lesser success) ... but many others that are pure negative rhetoric to which - I will try - not to contribute. For me personally, it's like they don't exist ... as simple as that.

a greeting

[qwizzie]

@qwizzie


I do not deny that there are affirmations supported (with greater or lesser success) ... but many others that are pure negative rhetoric to which - I will try - not to contribute. For me personally, it's like they don't exist ... as simple as that.

a greeting

Like these negative rhetorics from toknormal ?

They are eating the capital value of the chain like a starving animal that starts to consume its own flesh to survive.

I realise that masternode holders want holiday cruises, but f*k'm

They all want out on the next pump.
No worries. I'll be joining them

Use MN rewards as bottomless well of bribery payments in exchange for hodling, and it'll do the exact opposite.

Demise as a competitive crypto asset when compared with its 100% mined contemporaries.

Sometimes I don't think Dash investors realise what they bought or how to protect it. If you wanted to invest in utility (rather than a mobile, versatile commodity) you should have bought Mastercard shares, or some other type of blockchain security who's protocol is designed to host entire nation's worth of debt securities.

Stock buyback economics.
Let the masternodes "suck" the Dash off the market.

Lets get Dash back to an inspiring ideal rather than "how much free money can I get from my masternode", meanwhile the market is at liberty to simply trash that "free money" back to the dark ages in Satoshi or $USD value as it sees fit.

Dump all kinds of negative rhetorics for months and months on this forum, and people can expect to get negative rhetorics back.

[afbitcoins]

This does not provide a clear picture of anything. The dash transaction scale goes super high due to massive spikes. you can't actually see the dash transactions properly on this chart

[afbitcoins]

@qwizzie


I do not deny that there are affirmations supported (with greater or lesser success) ... but many others that are pure negative rhetoric to which - I will try - not to contribute. For me personally, it's like they don't exist ... as simple as that.

a greeting

Like these negative rhetorics from toknormal ?

They are eating the capital value of the chain like a starving animal that starts to consume its own flesh to survive.

I realise that masternode holders want holiday cruises, but f*k'm

They all want out on the next pump.
No worries. I'll be joining them

Use MN rewards as bottomless well of bribery payments in exchange for hodling, and it'll do the exact opposite.

Demise as a competitive crypto asset when compared with its 100% mined contemporaries.

Sometimes I don't think Dash investors realise what they bought or how to protect it. If you wanted to invest in utility (rather than a mobile, versatile commodity) you should have bought Mastercard shares, or some other type of blockchain security who's protocol is designed to host entire nation's worth of debt securities.

Stock buyback economics.
Let the masternodes "suck" the Dash off the market.

Lets get Dash back to an inspiring ideal rather than "how much free money can I get from my masternode", meanwhile the market is at liberty to simply trash that "free money" back to the dark ages in Satoshi or $USD value as it sees fit.

Dump all kinds of negative rhetorics for months and months on this forum, and people can expect to get negative rhetorics back.

Taking all these quotes out of context does not support any argument you are trying to make

[toknormal]

This does not provide a clear picture of anything. The dash transaction scale goes super high due to massive spikes. you can't actually see the dash transactions properly on this chart

The only way to get a decent scale from that source is to chop out the stress tests.

[qwizzie]

@qwizzie


I do not deny that there are affirmations supported (with greater or lesser success) ... but many others that are pure negative rhetoric to which - I will try - not to contribute. For me personally, it's like they don't exist ... as simple as that.

a greeting

Like these negative rhetorics from toknormal ?

They are eating the capital value of the chain like a starving animal that starts to consume its own flesh to survive.

I realise that masternode holders want holiday cruises, but f*k'm

They all want out on the next pump.
No worries. I'll be joining them

Use MN rewards as bottomless well of bribery payments in exchange for hodling, and it'll do the exact opposite.

Demise as a competitive crypto asset when compared with its 100% mined contemporaries.

Sometimes I don't think Dash investors realise what they bought or how to protect it. If you wanted to invest in utility (rather than a mobile, versatile commodity) you should have bought Mastercard shares, or some other type of blockchain security who's protocol is designed to host entire nation's worth of debt securities.

Stock buyback economics.
Let the masternodes "suck" the Dash off the market.

Lets get Dash back to an inspiring ideal rather than "how much free money can I get from my masternode", meanwhile the market is at liberty to simply trash that "free money" back to the dark ages in Satoshi or $USD value as it sees fit.

Dump all kinds of negative rhetorics for months and months on this forum, and people can expect to get negative rhetorics back.

Taking all these quotes out of context does not support any argument you are trying to make

toknormal has engaged in very low level posting directed at masternode operators (of which he is one himself) for many months now, engaging in mostly negative rhetorics ever since his post to fork Dash.
All in an effort to further advocate his own own market theory, i assume. I can provide his full quotes (which will most likely take a full page), but that would not change the nature of those posts, which is simply very negative rhetorics.  

[afbitcoins]

Dash versus bitcoin

chart

On a more positive note Dash has climbed above the red trendline. Looks like will probably test it as support rather than resistance next. The black line above is the big one dash needs to push through.

Heres a zoomed out version

chart

[toknormal]

Here's a chart that totally supports thunderjet's assertions: (Though you get the same for LTC at this scale. Worth studying in more detail).

[birdonthewire]

Like these negative rhetorics from toknormal ?

I have never used him as an example,that is your business ... nor do I believe that, in fact, he is in that sense - and neither will I be - ... but that does not authorize what you - or the rest of us - do along that line.

I just come here tired of going around in circles ... so I will try to present information that helps to objectively analyze a problem, or several, that must be faced, imo. Without a change in that sense, DASH does not interest me at all, because imo, its potential, which is what seduced me, will never be optimized.

Anything that does not go out there is useless and is wasting time. And I will not give mine away, that is worthless.

P.S. and to escape noise and personalities I tell you that I will be the target of this same filtering ... and sometimes with good reason. Better for everyone if so, NP.

I consider this specific point settled, which I think has already been made clear, more laps will only be noise.

A greeting.

[qwizzie]

Here's a chart that totally supports thunderjet's assertions: (Though you get the same for LTC at this scale. Worth studying more).

Where is the evidence on that chart pointing to miners also being masternode operators and that the centralized miner/masternode combo is the driving force behind Dash price decline ?
Where is the missing link ?

This support nothing.

[afbitcoins]

Here's a chart that totally supports thunderjet's assertions: (Though you get the same for LTC at this scale. Worth studying in more detail).

It is a compelling argument. Miners like everyone are motivated by how to maximise their own profit. This is game theory. Large miners who can also afford to run masternodes will push out those miners who do not. I don't see any good counterargument to this

[qwizzie]

It is a compelling argument. Miners like everyone are motivated by how to maximise their own profit. This is game theory. Large miners who can also afford to run masternodes will push out those miners who do not. I don't see any good counterargument to this

I am not interested in game theory, assumptions, opinions, i am interested in facts and evidence supporting those facts.
There is simply no evidence of large miners also running masternodes. Just like there is no evidence that a miners/masternode combo is behind the Dash price decline.

Provide evidence and we actually have something worthy to discuss further.

[toknormal]

Where is the evidence on that chart pointing to miners also being masternode operators and that the centralized miner/masternode combo is the driving force behind Dash price decline ?
Where is the missing link ?

The evidence is here. Whether they are doing it or not right now is irrelevant. The protocol encourages the hybrid configuration as the optimal approach to mining because it results in reduces aggregate difficulty and an earlier break-even point. The reduced aggregate difficulty contributes to "driving down prices" when compared with 100% mined competitors.

[qwizzie]

Where is the evidence on that chart pointing to miners also being masternode operators and that the centralized miner/masternode combo is the driving force behind Dash price decline ?
Where is the missing link ?

The evidence is here. Whether they are doing it or not right now is irrelevant. The protocol encourages the hybrid configuration it as the optimal approach to mining.

1 : Source please of picture.
2 : That picture does not on itself proof that miners also operate masternodes. Or proof that miners/masternode combo is responsible for Dash price decline.

Please provide evidence tying miners to operating also masternodes and please provide evidence that such combo is directly responsible for Dash price decline.

[birdonthewire]

Sorry, I insist: Any link to any point where a fork has been valued?
I'm interested in the topic

thank you.

[afbitcoins]

It is a compelling argument. Miners like everyone are motivated by how to maximise their own profit. This is game theory. Large miners who can also afford to run masternodes will push out those miners who do not. I don't see any good counterargument to this

I am not interested in game theory, assumptions, opinions, i am interested in facts and evidence supporting those facts.
There is simply no evidence of large miners also running masternodes. Just like there is no evidence that a miners/masternode combo is behind the Dash price decline.

Provide evidence and we actually have something worthy to discuss further.

What is that chart if not evidence that something weird is happening? It shows mining profitability is in a chronic decline. Yes they embrace the proposal. This seems to be a big disconnect. Hashrate continues to be relatively high. This points to miners not caring about profit. This is strange no?

There is no word from any mining pools that I know of. They are strangely silent on this matter.

[qwizzie]

Sorry, I insist: Any link to any point where a fork has been valued?
I'm interested in the topic

thank you.

I already provided you that. Here once more :

Fork it.

I think DCG should just fork the code. One at 30% mining reward and the other at 70%. Then let the miners & market discover which priority is more valuable. It would be an amazing experiment and worthwhile because it would empirically prove one or other priority as viable with market endorsement.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg54776524#msg54776524