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May 10, 2014, 01:44:10 AM
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Firstly, this is not intended to be an act of trolling. I was quite heavily invested in Dark, and believed in it's cause.

However, I would like you to carefully consider your position.

The darksend option of anonymity could be smashed by the NSA quite easily.

The anonymity market share you own - on the assumption that darksend works flawlessly - is about to be overtaken by Monero, and similar clones.

Their anonymity solution is superior to yours, developed by hackers. A purely trustless solution.

Good luck to you all, but buyer beware.

https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

PS. Darkwallet also should not be underestimated, simply because you don't like it...

While zeroknowledge proofs are neat just imagine the blockchain sitting there for 10 years accumulating your data, then one of a few things happen:

1.) The key used to start the system was never destroyed and was kept the entire time so a very powerful entity could see everything that goes on
2.) An exploit is found and suddenly the entire blockchain is cleartext

Darksend has no such vulnerabilities. The encryption we use could be completely broken and all of the transactions that have happened would still be anonymous.

Darksend relies on a collateral system - 1000drks per masternode, randomly selected masternodes, and these nodes sign off on the pooled transactions.

Sounds safe...how much money do you think the NSA has? How easy to simply stockpile virtually all the darks out there, and have the majority of masternodes running...

Sorry Evan but they are laughing at this solution...they will simply allow your network to grow, allow users to feel safe and protected, yet know the vast majority of transactions.

The only real solution to anonymity is encrypted packets of information, that are visible on the network by can only be decrypted by the intended recipient using their private key.

You are a smart, well intended dev. You have a loyal team, you have done well. But your solution is flawed.
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May 10, 2014, 01:55:32 AM
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Firstly, this is not intended to be an act of trolling. I was quite heavily invested in Dark, and believed in it's cause.

However, I would like you to carefully consider your position.

The darksend option of anonymity could be smashed by the NSA quite easily.

The anonymity market share you own - on the assumption that darksend works flawlessly - is about to be overtaken by Monero, and similar clones.

Their anonymity solution is superior to yours, developed by hackers. A purely trustless solution.

Good luck to you all, but buyer beware.

https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

PS. Darkwallet also should not be underestimated, simply because you don't like it...

While zeroknowledge proofs are neat just imagine the blockchain sitting there for 10 years accumulating your data, then one of a few things happen:

1.) The key used to start the system was never destroyed and was kept the entire time so a very powerful entity could see everything that goes on
2.) An exploit is found and suddenly the entire blockchain is cleartext

Darksend has no such vulnerabilities. The encryption we use could be completely broken and all of the transactions that have happened would still be anonymous.

Darksend relies on a collateral system - 1000drks per masternode, randomly selected masternodes, and these nodes sign off on the pooled transactions.

Sounds safe...how much money do you think the NSA has? How easy to simply stockpile virtually all the darks out there, and have the majority of masternodes running...

Sorry Evan but they are laughing at this solution...they will simply allow your network to grow, allow users to feel safe and protected, yet know the vast majority of transactions.

The only real solution to anonymity is encrypted packets of information, that are visible on the network by can only be decrypted by the intended recipient using their private key.

You are a smart, well intended dev. You have a loyal team, you have done well. But your solution is flawed.

did you get this info straight from area 51? Smiley

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May 10, 2014, 01:57:37 AM
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Firstly, this is not intended to be an act of trolling. I was quite heavily invested in Dark, and believed in it's cause.

However, I would like you to carefully consider your position.

The darksend option of anonymity could be smashed by the NSA quite easily.

The anonymity market share you own - on the assumption that darksend works flawlessly - is about to be overtaken by Monero, and similar clones.

Their anonymity solution is superior to yours, developed by hackers. A purely trustless solution.

Good luck to you all, but buyer beware.

https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

PS. Darkwallet also should not be underestimated, simply because you don't like it...

While zeroknowledge proofs are neat just imagine the blockchain sitting there for 10 years accumulating your data, then one of a few things happen:

1.) The key used to start the system was never destroyed and was kept the entire time so a very powerful entity could see everything that goes on
2.) An exploit is found and suddenly the entire blockchain is cleartext

Darksend has no such vulnerabilities. The encryption we use could be completely broken and all of the transactions that have happened would still be anonymous.

Darksend relies on a collateral system - 1000drks per masternode, randomly selected masternodes, and these nodes sign off on the pooled transactions.

Sounds safe...how much money do you think the NSA has? How easy to simply stockpile virtually all the darks out there, and have the majority of masternodes running...

Sorry Evan but they are laughing at this solution...they will simply allow your network to grow, allow users to feel safe and protected, yet know the vast majority of transactions.

The only real solution to anonymity is encrypted packets of information, that are visible on the network by can only be decrypted by the intended recipient using their private key.

You are a smart, well intended dev. You have a loyal team, you have done well. But your solution is flawed.

This criticism appeared before and was debunked by Evan. I can't remember where it is in the thread but I'm sure someone here knows.

This is why we need an FAQ section on the website so we can just send these people a link and be done.
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May 10, 2014, 02:00:30 AM
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don't dump this coin and use the proceedings for the better and you have my blessing bagholders
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May 10, 2014, 02:01:36 AM
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is testnet down again ?
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May 10, 2014, 02:08:46 AM
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is testnet down again ?

I think the connections were maxed out, try again.

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May 10, 2014, 02:12:24 AM
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The highest point was
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lets see when we beat this …>>>
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May 10, 2014, 02:14:30 AM
 #18968

Firstly, this is not intended to be an act of trolling. I was quite heavily invested in Dark, and believed in it's cause.

However, I would like you to carefully consider your position.

The darksend option of anonymity could be smashed by the NSA quite easily.

The anonymity market share you own - on the assumption that darksend works flawlessly - is about to be overtaken by Monero, and similar clones.

Their anonymity solution is superior to yours, developed by hackers. A purely trustless solution.

Good luck to you all, but buyer beware.

https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

PS. Darkwallet also should not be underestimated, simply because you don't like it...

While zeroknowledge proofs are neat just imagine the blockchain sitting there for 10 years accumulating your data, then one of a few things happen:

1.) The key used to start the system was never destroyed and was kept the entire time so a very powerful entity could see everything that goes on
2.) An exploit is found and suddenly the entire blockchain is cleartext

Darksend has no such vulnerabilities. The encryption we use could be completely broken and all of the transactions that have happened would still be anonymous.

Darksend relies on a collateral system - 1000drks per masternode, randomly selected masternodes, and these nodes sign off on the pooled transactions.

Sounds safe...how much money do you think the NSA has? How easy to simply stockpile virtually all the darks out there, and have the majority of masternodes running...

Sorry Evan but they are laughing at this solution...they will simply allow your network to grow, allow users to feel safe and protected, yet know the vast majority of transactions.

The only real solution to anonymity is encrypted packets of information, that are visible on the network by can only be decrypted by the intended recipient using their private key.

You are a smart, well intended dev. You have a loyal team, you have done well. But your solution is flawed.

This was solved by using multiple iterations through many masternodes. Users can pick how secure and private they want their transactions to be. To actually know who spent what, you would have to control every masternode from start to end.

Plus, I'm implementing I2P into the masternodes. We're going to have our own private network just for DarkSend.

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May 10, 2014, 02:15:00 AM
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The highest point was
0.0052
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26th April

lets see when we beat this …>>>

Im pretty sure the high today ws .54 and were gonna hit about .80 by sunday. + on th 14th its gonna skyrocket even more. This will be a good week fellas! Lots of money to be made :DDDD
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May 10, 2014, 02:17:48 AM
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The highest point was
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lets see when we beat this …>>>

Im pretty sure the high today ws .54 and were gonna hit about .80 by sunday. + on th 14th its gonna skyrocket even more. This will be a good week fellas! Lots of money to be made :DDDD

People who are aware of this coin will buy before the 14th (in anticipation of a price rise), not after. That is, I assume, why the price is going up now. Why would the price rise even more right after the 14th?
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May 10, 2014, 02:19:17 AM
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is testnet down again ?

I think the connections were maxed out, try again.

I see everything hung up 5 hrs behind on block 3562,  my MN is also not seeing anyone else on TN:

{
    "version" : 100701,
    "protocolversion" : 70014,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 9792.50050899,
    "blocks" : 3562,
    "timeoffset" : -1,
    "connections" : 5,
    "proxy" : "",
    "difficulty" : 0.08222917,
    "testnet" : true,
    "keypoololdest" : 1399582516,
    "keypoolsize" : 101,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "mininput" : 0.00001000,
    "errors" : ""


mn list
{
    "99.173.XX.XXX:19999" : 1
}

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May 10, 2014, 02:30:19 AM
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Firstly, this is not intended to be an act of trolling. I was quite heavily invested in Dark, and believed in it's cause.

However, I would like you to carefully consider your position.

The darksend option of anonymity could be smashed by the NSA quite easily.

The anonymity market share you own - on the assumption that darksend works flawlessly - is about to be overtaken by Monero, and similar clones.

Their anonymity solution is superior to yours, developed by hackers. A purely trustless solution.

Good luck to you all, but buyer beware.

https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

PS. Darkwallet also should not be underestimated, simply because you don't like it...

While zeroknowledge proofs are neat just imagine the blockchain sitting there for 10 years accumulating your data, then one of a few things happen:

1.) The key used to start the system was never destroyed and was kept the entire time so a very powerful entity could see everything that goes on
2.) An exploit is found and suddenly the entire blockchain is cleartext

Darksend has no such vulnerabilities. The encryption we use could be completely broken and all of the transactions that have happened would still be anonymous.

Darksend relies on a collateral system - 1000drks per masternode, randomly selected masternodes, and these nodes sign off on the pooled transactions.

Sounds safe...how much money do you think the NSA has? How easy to simply stockpile virtually all the darks out there, and have the majority of masternodes running...

Sorry Evan but they are laughing at this solution...they will simply allow your network to grow, allow users to feel safe and protected, yet know the vast majority of transactions.

The only real solution to anonymity is encrypted packets of information, that are visible on the network by can only be decrypted by the intended recipient using their private key.

You are a smart, well intended dev. You have a loyal team, you have done well. But your solution is flawed.

This was solved by using multiple iterations through many masternodes. Users can pick how secure and private they want their transactions to be. To actually know who spent what, you would have to control every masternode from start to end.

Plus, I'm implementing I2P into the masternodes. We're going to have our own private network just for DarkSend.
And then there was one.
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May 10, 2014, 02:31:22 AM
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Firstly, this is not intended to be an act of trolling. I was quite heavily invested in Dark, and believed in it's cause.

However, I would like you to carefully consider your position.

The darksend option of anonymity could be smashed by the NSA quite easily.

The anonymity market share you own - on the assumption that darksend works flawlessly - is about to be overtaken by Monero, and similar clones.

Their anonymity solution is superior to yours, developed by hackers. A purely trustless solution.

Good luck to you all, but buyer beware.

https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

PS. Darkwallet also should not be underestimated, simply because you don't like it...

While zeroknowledge proofs are neat just imagine the blockchain sitting there for 10 years accumulating your data, then one of a few things happen:

1.) The key used to start the system was never destroyed and was kept the entire time so a very powerful entity could see everything that goes on
2.) An exploit is found and suddenly the entire blockchain is cleartext

Darksend has no such vulnerabilities. The encryption we use could be completely broken and all of the transactions that have happened would still be anonymous.

Darksend relies on a collateral system - 1000drks per masternode, randomly selected masternodes, and these nodes sign off on the pooled transactions.

Sounds safe...how much money do you think the NSA has? How easy to simply stockpile virtually all the darks out there, and have the majority of masternodes running...

Sorry Evan but they are laughing at this solution...they will simply allow your network to grow, allow users to feel safe and protected, yet know the vast majority of transactions.

The only real solution to anonymity is encrypted packets of information, that are visible on the network by can only be decrypted by the intended recipient using their private key.

You are a smart, well intended dev. You have a loyal team, you have done well. But your solution is flawed.

This was solved by using multiple iterations through many masternodes. Users can pick how secure and private they want their transactions to be. To actually know who spent what, you would have to control every masternode from start to end.

Plus, I'm implementing I2P into the masternodes. We're going to have our own private network just for DarkSend.

Yep, very easy - and not that expensive - to do.

Every masternode has access to the transaction info for that iteration.

This is NOT anonymity. This is a hack solution, hoping that an adversary does not control the masternodes the network asigns to your solution, on the assumption that it is too expensive for said adversary to own enough masternodes.

Read up on Monero (and no i do not own coins...yet). The solutions put forward - although simple in their user implementation - are well though through mathematical solutions.

Darksend is, well, quite hack. It relies on the false premise that it will be too expensive for an adversary to exploit...

FALSE FALSE FALSE.

Buyer beware. Well no....buyer will do ok. User beware, your transactions are not anonymous
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May 10, 2014, 02:34:36 AM
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Firstly, this is not intended to be an act of trolling. I was quite heavily invested in Dark, and believed in it's cause.

However, I would like you to carefully consider your position.

The darksend option of anonymity could be smashed by the NSA quite easily.

The anonymity market share you own - on the assumption that darksend works flawlessly - is about to be overtaken by Monero, and similar clones.

Their anonymity solution is superior to yours, developed by hackers. A purely trustless solution.

Good luck to you all, but buyer beware.

https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

PS. Darkwallet also should not be underestimated, simply because you don't like it...

While zeroknowledge proofs are neat just imagine the blockchain sitting there for 10 years accumulating your data, then one of a few things happen:

1.) The key used to start the system was never destroyed and was kept the entire time so a very powerful entity could see everything that goes on
2.) An exploit is found and suddenly the entire blockchain is cleartext

Darksend has no such vulnerabilities. The encryption we use could be completely broken and all of the transactions that have happened would still be anonymous.

Darksend relies on a collateral system - 1000drks per masternode, randomly selected masternodes, and these nodes sign off on the pooled transactions.

Sounds safe...how much money do you think the NSA has? How easy to simply stockpile virtually all the darks out there, and have the majority of masternodes running...

Sorry Evan but they are laughing at this solution...they will simply allow your network to grow, allow users to feel safe and protected, yet know the vast majority of transactions.

The only real solution to anonymity is encrypted packets of information, that are visible on the network by can only be decrypted by the intended recipient using their private key.

You are a smart, well intended dev. You have a loyal team, you have done well. But your solution is flawed.

This was solved by using multiple iterations through many masternodes. Users can pick how secure and private they want their transactions to be. To actually know who spent what, you would have to control every masternode from start to end.

Plus, I'm implementing I2P into the masternodes. We're going to have our own private network just for DarkSend.

Yep, very easy - and not that expensive - to do.

Every masternode has access to the transaction info for that iteration.

This is NOT anonymity. This is a hack solution, hoping that an adversary does not control the masternodes the network asigns to your solution, on the assumption that it is too expensive for said adversary to own enough masternodes.

Read up on Monero (and no i do not own coins...yet). The solutions put forward - although simple in their user implementation - are well though through mathematical solutions.

Darksend is, well, quite hack. It relies on the false premise that it will be too expensive for an adversary to exploit...

FALSE FALSE FALSE.

Buyer beware. Well no....buyer will do ok. User beware, your transactions are not anonymous


You keep saying the same thing over and over again without answering my original points.

1.) How do you know the key was destroyed? What if they faked it?
2.) What happens when an exploit is discovered and the entire blockchain is cleartext in 10 years.

Good luck... sounds like a honeypot.

I'd rather stick with proven technology that's easy to understand. Looking at the market cap, many people agree with me.

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May 10, 2014, 02:36:35 AM
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We must buy some Asia Coins instead ?  Smiley That smell like trolling, you came here with some agenda.  Roll Eyes
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May 10, 2014, 02:36:49 AM
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Firstly, this is not intended to be an act of trolling. I was quite heavily invested in Dark, and believed in it's cause.

However, I would like you to carefully consider your position.

The darksend option of anonymity could be smashed by the NSA quite easily.

The anonymity market share you own - on the assumption that darksend works flawlessly - is about to be overtaken by Monero, and similar clones.

Their anonymity solution is superior to yours, developed by hackers. A purely trustless solution.

Good luck to you all, but buyer beware.

https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

PS. Darkwallet also should not be underestimated, simply because you don't like it...

While zeroknowledge proofs are neat just imagine the blockchain sitting there for 10 years accumulating your data, then one of a few things happen:

1.) The key used to start the system was never destroyed and was kept the entire time so a very powerful entity could see everything that goes on
2.) An exploit is found and suddenly the entire blockchain is cleartext

Darksend has no such vulnerabilities. The encryption we use could be completely broken and all of the transactions that have happened would still be anonymous.

Darksend relies on a collateral system - 1000drks per masternode, randomly selected masternodes, and these nodes sign off on the pooled transactions.

Sounds safe...how much money do you think the NSA has? How easy to simply stockpile virtually all the darks out there, and have the majority of masternodes running...

Sorry Evan but they are laughing at this solution...they will simply allow your network to grow, allow users to feel safe and protected, yet know the vast majority of transactions.

The only real solution to anonymity is encrypted packets of information, that are visible on the network by can only be decrypted by the intended recipient using their private key.

You are a smart, well intended dev. You have a loyal team, you have done well. But your solution is flawed.

This was solved by using multiple iterations through many masternodes. Users can pick how secure and private they want their transactions to be. To actually know who spent what, you would have to control every masternode from start to end.

Plus, I'm implementing I2P into the masternodes. We're going to have our own private network just for DarkSend.

Yep, very easy - and not that expensive - to do.

Every masternode has access to the transaction info for that iteration.

This is NOT anonymity. This is a hack solution, hoping that an adversary does not control the masternodes the network asigns to your solution, on the assumption that it is too expensive for said adversary to own enough masternodes.

Read up on Monero (and no i do not own coins...yet). The solutions put forward - although simple in their user implementation - are well though through mathematical solutions.

Darksend is, well, quite hack. It relies on the false premise that it will be too expensive for an adversary to exploit...

FALSE FALSE FALSE.

Buyer beware. Well no....buyer will do ok. User beware, your transactions are not anonymous


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May 10, 2014, 02:37:40 AM
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Ok i am putting some HashRate on the testnet pool, not blocks are moving along.
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May 10, 2014, 02:37:54 AM
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is testnet down again ?

I think the connections were maxed out, try again.

I see everything hung up 5 hrs behind on block 3562,  my MN is also not seeing anyone else on TN:

{
    "version" : 100701,
    "protocolversion" : 70014,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 9792.50050899,
    "blocks" : 3562,
    "timeoffset" : -1,
    "connections" : 5,
    "proxy" : "",
    "difficulty" : 0.08222917,
    "testnet" : true,
    "keypoololdest" : 1399582516,
    "keypoolsize" : 101,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "mininput" : 0.00001000,
    "errors" : ""


mn list
{
    "99.173.XX.XXX:19999" : 1
}



Apparently I'm the only miner and my rig was frozen! I started it back up.

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May 10, 2014, 02:41:24 AM
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More mn aggravation:

I can only see one of my masternodes when I run 'masternode list' from the mn itself, it does not show up from elsewhere.

On the mn, getinfo gives:
{
    "version" : 100701,
    "protocolversion" : 70014,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 1000.00000000,
    "blocks" : 65867,
    "timeoffset" : 0,
    "connections" : 11,
    "proxy" : "",
    "difficulty" : 1206.83445281,
    "testnet" : false,
    "keypoololdest" : 1399685720,
    "keypoolsize" : 100,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "mininput" : 0.00001000,
    "unlocked_until" : 0,
    "errors" : ""
}
so it's connected and up to date. nmap shows ports 9998,9999 open on mn.

darkcoin.conf is:

rpcuser=random_user
rpcpassword=random_password
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
listen=1
server=1
daemon=1
logtimestamps=1
maxconnections=256
externalip=xx.xx.xx.xx
masternode=1
addnode=23.23.186.131

externalip is correct

Was previously trying to run this with a local wallet, was having problems with IP:0 showing on mn list, so made a new wallet, addr 0, which now lives on the mn, mn starts just fine.

Any suggestions?





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May 10, 2014, 02:43:59 AM
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1.) How do you know the key was destroyed? What if they faked it?

Are you thinking of anoncoin? AFAIK cryptonote doesn't have that problem, but I could be wrong.

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